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Post by chadp on Jan 28, 2017 23:07:30 GMT -5
Correction. Trump has business interests in SA. Along with Egypt, UAE, Indonesia, Qatar, Turkey, Azerbaijan and Dubai. What do these countries have in common? None made it on the ban list. Hmmmmm.....I wonder why??? Every important businessman in this country probably has business relationships in the Middle East. And Im sure you aware of how much money some of those countries have given Hillary. You can't just place bans on every country. You have to apply to the areas you believe are the highest risk. True - but let's move on from Hillary; she is irrelevant. |
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Post by porgyman on Jan 28, 2017 23:08:28 GMT -5
Correction. Trump has business interests in SA. Along with Egypt, UAE, Indonesia, Qatar, Turkey, Azerbaijan and Dubai. What do these countries have in common? None made it on the ban list. Hmmmmm.....I wonder why??? Every important businessman in this country probably has business relationships in the Middle East. And Im sure you aware of how much money some of those countries have given Hillary. You can't just place bans on every country. You have to apply to the areas you believe are the highest risk. Every important businessman is not President of the United States. And especially not this President, who has unprecedented business conflicts. Some of which we know about, others we will not know until we see those pesky tax returns. And they will be seen at some point. As for Hillary, she is irrelevant. She lost. I wish her a good life. She is not my President. Its just interesting that at a minimum, Egypt which has directly experienced terrorist activities and Saudi Arabia didn't make the list. |
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Post by porgyman on Jan 28, 2017 23:10:06 GMT -5
Every important businessman in this country probably has business relationships in the Middle East. And Im sure you aware of how much money some of those countries have given Hillary. You can't just place bans on every country. You have to apply to the areas you believe are the highest risk. True - but let's move on from Hillary; she is irrelevant. I swear that I didn't read your response before writing mine! |
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Post by porgyman on Jan 28, 2017 23:11:53 GMT -5
Correction. Trump has business interests in SA. Along with Egypt, UAE, Indonesia, Qatar, Turkey, Azerbaijan and Dubai. What do these countries have in common? None made it on the ban list. Hmmmmm.....I wonder why??? So you're ok with the ban? Personally I'd be ok with banning all of them. Maybe not Turkey and Egypt. No, I'm against it. And apparently a Federal judge agreed with me tonight. |
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Post by chadp on Jan 28, 2017 23:11:44 GMT -5
True - but let's move on from Hillary; she is irrelevant. I swear that I didn't read your response before writing mine! It's all good - I'm drinking Scotch and my wife is passing out on the couch... |
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Post by porgyman on Jan 28, 2017 23:23:53 GMT -5
Interesting read, courtesy of Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary....
Like a two-bit dictator in some banana republic, Trump shoveled in money this week from his dual roles as president and as owner of Trump businesses.
Some examples (courtesy of Slate’s Josh Vorhees):
1. Trump replaced the head of the General Services Administration, the federal agency that effectively serves as the landlord for the new Trump hotel in Washington and has been asked to investigate whether Trump is now in violation of that lease.
2. He signed orders clearing the way for the disputed Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines to proceed. As recently as last summer, the president owned between $15,000 and $50,000 in stock in the company building the Dakota project, and its chief executive donated $100,000 to the Trump Victory Fund, a joint effort between Trump and the Republican Party. (Trump claims to have sold off his stock portfolio before the election, though he has not provided documentation proving he did.)
3. He signed an order suspending visas from seven predominantly Muslim countries. Not on the list were other predominantly Muslim countries where Trump has existing businesses: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey, Qatar, Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, and Azerbaijan.
4. Trump is pushing forward his plan for a massive, privatization-heavy infrastructure bill that appears tailor-made for cronyism and self-dealing. (For more on this, please see our video.)
5. Based on the new power of the “Trump” brand, the CEO of Trump Hotels announced a plan to triple the number of Trump hotels in the United States.
6. The Trump Organization hired a longtime Republican lawyer as its ethics adviser and a longtime Trump executive as its chief compliance counsel. It’s all optics. Neither will raise a fuss because they’d put their jobs at risk.
7. The Trump-owned Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, doubled its initiation fee to $200,000 for new members.
8. The American Chamber of Commerce in Canada, a business lobby focused on North American trade, made a sudden, last-second decision to move a scheduled event from the Vancouver home of a U.S. diplomat to the newest addition to the Trump Hotel family in the same city. (The Trump Organization does not own the Trump International Hotel & Tower Vancouver, but it makes money managing the property and cutting naming-rights deals.)
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 28, 2017 23:24:20 GMT -5
Every important businessman in this country probably has business relationships in the Middle East. And Im sure you aware of how much money some of those countries have given Hillary. You can't just place bans on every country. You have to apply to the areas you believe are the highest risk. Every important businessman is not President of the United States. And especially not this President, who has unprecedented business conflicts. Some of which we know about, others we will not know until we see those pesky tax returns. And they will be seen at some point. As for Hillary, she is irrelevant. She lost. I wish her a good life. She is not my President. Its just interesting that at a minimum, Egypt which has directly experienced terrorist activities and Saudi Arabia didn't make the list. I don't get the hang up people have with Trumps wealth or potential conflicts of interest. The guy spent his entire life building an empire and left it to his kids. It's a unique situation that the country has never faced before but he was elected because people were tired of career politicians. I meant holy shit the Clintons made over 200million dollars in 10 years giving speeches. Nobody says shit about that. It seems that some people want him to sell everything. That's not realistic nor do I expect it. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 28, 2017 23:39:25 GMT -5
Every important businessman in this country probably has business relationships in the Middle East. And Im sure you aware of how much money some of those countries have given Hillary. You can't just place bans on every country. You have to apply to the areas you believe are the highest risk. Every important businessman is not President of the United States. And especially not this President, who has unprecedented business conflicts. Some of which we know about, others we will not know until we see those pesky tax returns. And they will be seen at some point. As for Hillary, she is irrelevant. She lost. I wish her a good life. She is not my President. Its just interesting that at a minimum, Egypt which has directly experienced terrorist activities and Saudi Arabia didn't make the list. He ran on his business prowess. What conflicts does he have? We are talking about hotels and golf courses. He has paid off politicians just like every other major land developer has. Obama went into office with a net worth of around a million and now he is worth between 10 and 12. How do you think he did that? He used his contacts just like every politician does. I am sure Trump will end up profiting some how from his presidency. I am not naive. Worst case scenario, what is on his tax returns? Hes rich. He didnt pay any taxes. Thats why he pays his accountants and lawyers big bucks. I dont think there is a chance the Saudis would ever be on the list. There are lot of people in our country, not just Trump, that have business interests with them. You have to weigh your options. As for Egypt, ael-Assisi was one of the first leaders he spoke to. Maybe Trumps people are trying to work with them. Or maybe Trump is trying to build a hotel next to a pyramid. |
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Post by porgyman on Jan 28, 2017 23:44:00 GMT -5
Every important businessman is not President of the United States. And especially not this President, who has unprecedented business conflicts. Some of which we know about, others we will not know until we see those pesky tax returns. And they will be seen at some point. As for Hillary, she is irrelevant. She lost. I wish her a good life. She is not my President. Its just interesting that at a minimum, Egypt which has directly experienced terrorist activities and Saudi Arabia didn't make the list. I don't get the hang up people have with Trumps wealth or potential conflicts of interest. The guy spent his entire life building an empire and left it to his kids. It's a unique situation that the country has never faced before but he was elected because people were tired of career politicians. I meant holy shit the Clintons made over 200million dollars in 10 years giving speeches. Nobody says shit about that. It seems that some people want him to sell everything. That's not realistic nor do I expect it. You are a man of infinite faith, if you believe that a man with the power of the Presidency in one hand, and enormous conflicting business interests in the other hand, will not be swayed. Even if he does nothing wrong, it flunks the smell test. It's why every President before him set up blind trusts and passed along tax records. As for the Clinton's, I disagree. Not a day passed around here without their fees being mentioned around here. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jan 29, 2017 0:21:41 GMT -5
I don't get the hang up people have with Trumps wealth or potential conflicts of interest. The guy spent his entire life building an empire and left it to his kids. It's a unique situation that the country has never faced before but he was elected because people were tired of career politicians. I meant holy shit the Clintons made over 200million dollars in 10 years giving speeches. Nobody says shit about that. It seems that some people want him to sell everything. That's not realistic nor do I expect it. You are a man of infinite faith, if you believe that a man with the power of the Presidency in one hand, and enormous conflicting business interests in the other hand, will not be swayed. Even if he does nothing wrong, it flunks the smell test. It's why every President before him set up blind trusts and passed along tax records. As for the Clinton's, I disagree. Not a day passed around here without their fees being mentioned around here. I don't care really what this mother fucker does, really not that much. I'm just happy he beat the wicked cunt. All our lives would have been really horrible with the cunt in office. Thank God we won. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 29, 2017 0:41:13 GMT -5
I don't get the hang up people have with Trumps wealth or potential conflicts of interest. The guy spent his entire life building an empire and left it to his kids. It's a unique situation that the country has never faced before but he was elected because people were tired of career politicians. I meant holy shit the Clintons made over 200million dollars in 10 years giving speeches. Nobody says shit about that. It seems that some people want him to sell everything. That's not realistic nor do I expect it. You are a man of infinite faith, if you believe that a man with the power of the Presidency in one hand, and enormous conflicting business interests in the other hand, will not be swayed. Even if he does nothing wrong, it flunks the smell test. It's why every President before him set up blind trusts and passed along tax records. As for the Clinton's, I disagree. Not a day passed around here without their fees being mentioned around here. I agree that some conflicts are going to come up. I knew that before he was elected and we will deal with whatever comes up. Hillarys money gets brought up here, on a forum with maybe 40 active people on it. The media never talked about it. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 29, 2017 8:50:46 GMT -5
So you're ok with the ban? Personally I'd be ok with banning all of them. Maybe not Turkey and Egypt. No, I'm against it. And apparently a Federal judge agreed with me tonight. Not really. The main stream media is reporting it like the whole Order was stayed. The judge only stayed it with respect to people already in transit or in the US with valid Visa's, green cards, or refugee approval. |
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Post by tkasper01 on Jan 29, 2017 9:04:28 GMT -5
Interesting read, courtesy of Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary.... Like a two-bit dictator in some banana republic, Trump shoveled in money this week from his dual roles as president and as owner of Trump businesses. Some examples (courtesy of Slate’s Josh Vorhees): 1. Trump replaced the head of the General Services Administration, the federal agency that effectively serves as the landlord for the new Trump hotel in Washington and has been asked to investigate whether Trump is now in violation of that lease. 2. He signed orders clearing the way for the disputed Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines to proceed. As recently as last summer, the president owned between $15,000 and $50,000 in stock in the company building the Dakota project, and its chief executive donated $100,000 to the Trump Victory Fund, a joint effort between Trump and the Republican Party. (Trump claims to have sold off his stock portfolio before the election, though he has not provided documentation proving he did.) 3. He signed an order suspending visas from seven predominantly Muslim countries. Not on the list were other predominantly Muslim countries where Trump has existing businesses: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey, Qatar, Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, and Azerbaijan. 4. Trump is pushing forward his plan for a massive, privatization-heavy infrastructure bill that appears tailor-made for cronyism and self-dealing. (For more on this, please see our video.) 5. Based on the new power of the “Trump” brand, the CEO of Trump Hotels announced a plan to triple the number of Trump hotels in the United States. 6. The Trump Organization hired a longtime Republican lawyer as its ethics adviser and a longtime Trump executive as its chief compliance counsel. It’s all optics. Neither will raise a fuss because they’d put their jobs at risk. 7. The Trump-owned Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, doubled its initiation fee to $200,000 for new members. 8. The American Chamber of Commerce in Canada, a business lobby focused on North American trade, made a sudden, last-second decision to move a scheduled event from the Vancouver home of a U.S. diplomat to the newest addition to the Trump Hotel family in the same city. (The Trump Organization does not own the Trump International Hotel & Tower Vancouver, but it makes money managing the property and cutting naming-rights deals.) I would rather have a wealth business man or women running the country than people who could not accumulate enough wealth to buy a house until after spending 8 years in the White House. If he had not been President and can charge 250k for an hour long speech Bill Clinton might be a fucking Walmart greeter. Trump ran for President, spending mostly his own money, to further his business interests? Unfucking believable. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 29, 2017 9:08:58 GMT -5
I feel so safe now.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 29, 2017 9:28:22 GMT -5
This is a window into why, for the past 18+ years nothing ever gets done in this country when politicians are left to the decision making. The simple fact is that for every decision where everyone is not in 100% agreement as to what should be done, someone is aggrieved. Our entire political system seems to be one driven by grievance. Some group always claims that a decision that runs against its interest is an affront to basic decency and the "American Way".
This is the basic reason that nothing every gets done. Politicians -- who are mostly weak-minded simpletons more concerned with re-election, media perception, and life-style than getting shit done -- are absolutely crippled by the notion that they may take an action that is viewed unfavorably by either the media or an influential group that can effect their prospects for re-election and/or advancement in the party.
Most of you are likely too young to remember, but there was a time when shit got done. And when shit got done, it was because the guy sitting in the oval office wanted to accomplish something more than be popular in DC or with special interest groups. Reagan got shit done even though the Dems and media said he was a homophobic racist who would cause WWIII. George H.W. Bush got shit done even raising taxes because it was the right thing to do causing him to lose an election. And even William Jefferson Clinton got shit done for about 6 years working with Newt Gingrich's congress until a sperm stained dress made the idiot GOP leadership decide they no longer had to work with Clinton. From the last 2 years of Clinton, through 8 years of Bush, and 8 years of Obama, nothing really got done because the only thing the people in DC agreed on was starting a war with a country that never attacked us destabilizing the most volatile region in the world.
I am personally thankful that Donald Trump is POTUS. Is he as presidential as I like my POTUS? Hell No. But he is hell bent on getting shit done and does not care if he pisses of certain groups or damages his chances of being re-elected. Really, who else could withstand the terrible onslaught against him by the left and the media and still even be standing? Perhaps the lesson all politicians can take from Trump is that you have one all-encompassing job which should be done to the exclusion of all other considerations -- make decisions and govern.
As a great man I knew was prone to say, "If you want to make an omelette, you've got to break some eggs." No one's been making omelettes in DC for 18+ years and the only thing people seem to see now are the broken egg shells.
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