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Post by maury77 on Feb 9, 2017 18:16:12 GMT -5
I am curious as to what others think of Fournette's fit in a West Coast offense -- everything I have read about our OC suggests he will bring West Coast concepts to us. Personally I see Fournette as a downhill power back likely to excel in a power running scheme where he can follow a lead blocker through a hole and get to the second level of the defense. Based upon his running style, I am not sure he will be at his best in a west coast scheme which I always thought values quickness & finesse over power. Am I off base here -- if I am it wouldn't be the first time. I like the guy as an elite RB prospect -- but is a west coast offense where is most likely to succeed? Lith, don't forget that Morton coached with Harbaugh in SF for a couple of years, they ran a lot of power concepts with Frank Gore. |
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Post by vulgardisplayoffutbo on Feb 9, 2017 18:44:51 GMT -5
Leonard Fournette without a doubt. He is the guy to draft.
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Post by vulgardisplayoffutbo on Feb 9, 2017 18:46:41 GMT -5
Give me offense or give me death. It is laughable to think that the last offensive skill player we took in the first was Dustin Keller. That was almost 10 years ago! That is unbelievable. That has to be some sorta record right? |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 9, 2017 22:46:25 GMT -5
The answer is obviously Fournette (to OP's question) for a multitude of reasons, most already mentioned. What is MOST interesting to me, is what shoudl the Jets do if Fournette, a top QB, Adams, Barnette, etc. are on the board and the Jets get a trade offer to move down. What then? Is it a good offer? Cause Cook/Williams are both A-list options if we move back and collect picks. Corey Davis is closing the gap everytime I watch him as well. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Feb 9, 2017 22:50:23 GMT -5
The answer is obviously Fournette (to OP's question) for a multitude of reasons, most already mentioned. What is MOST interesting to me, is what shoudl the Jets do if Fournette, a top QB, Adams, Barnette, etc. are on the board and the Jets get a trade offer to move down. What then? Is it a good offer? Cause Cook/Williams are both A-list options if we move back and collect picks. Corey Davis is closing the gap everytime I watch him as well. Corey Davis is legit. He reminds me of Javon Walker. He's fast, but it's deceptive cause he has long legs. He's also one of the best route runners in this draft. Him and Mike Williams are 1a and 1B. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 9, 2017 22:52:17 GMT -5
The answer is obviously Fournette (to OP's question) for a multitude of reasons, most already mentioned. Is it a good offer? Cause Cook/Williams are both A-list options if we move back and collect picks. Corey Davis is closing the gap everytime I watch him as well. Corey Davis is legit. He reminds me of Javon Walker. He's fast, but it's deceptive cause he has long legs. He's also one of the best route runners in this draft. Him and Mike Williams are 1a and 1B. Very much so. He's doing things at 6'3 that you don't typically see. Fitzgerald-esque |
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Post by Lithfan on Feb 10, 2017 8:26:54 GMT -5
I am curious as to what others think of Fournette's fit in a West Coast offense -- everything I have read about our OC suggests he will bring West Coast concepts to us. Personally I see Fournette as a downhill power back likely to excel in a power running scheme where he can follow a lead blocker through a hole and get to the second level of the defense. Based upon his running style, I am not sure he will be at his best in a west coast scheme which I always thought values quickness & finesse over power. Am I off base here -- if I am it wouldn't be the first time. I like the guy as an elite RB prospect -- but is a west coast offense where is most likely to succeed? I don't think you are off base at all. It's correct (IMO) to assume that a West Coast scheme is best suited for a RB who has great vision, elusiveness, good hands (ability to catch the ball in the backfield), great speed and quickness. But, to me, Fournette is an unique talent. I would not define him as a 'power back'. That just undervalues him completely. He has great vision, exceptional speed and he is an elite athlete. To me, he is the type of RB that can excel in any system. Like any RB, he just needs some good blocking. Put E.Elliott in a West Coast system and he will do great. Same thing with Adrian Peterson. Put Jamal Charles in power run scheme and he will run wild. I think once you get to a certain lever of talent, the system is not as influential on a RBs success. Blocking however is crucial. To me, the bigger question is can the Jets O-line provide good enough blocking for Fournette to be successful. I think they can. But it will require a healthy Mangold and Clady playing alongside Carpenter, Winters and a powerful run blocking RT (Qvale?). I want to love Fournette, but I just don't. I like the guy, don't get me wrong, but I do not see the short area quickness, ability to cut on a dime, that you see out of a guy like Dalvin Cook, who, off-field concerns aside, I think is a better fit in the WC. Fournette is the more explosive and powerful runner, but I am still concerned that a WC offense will not not maximize his talents. Like I said in another thread, there are a ton of guys that know way more about this shit than I do that love the kid and are probably a lot closer to your thoughts on him than mine. If we take him at 6, I would not kill the pick, but I would be concerned about his fit in the offense we are likely to run. |
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Post by Lithfan on Feb 10, 2017 8:31:46 GMT -5
I am curious as to what others think of Fournette's fit in a West Coast offense -- everything I have read about our OC suggests he will bring West Coast concepts to us. Personally I see Fournette as a downhill power back likely to excel in a power running scheme where he can follow a lead blocker through a hole and get to the second level of the defense. Based upon his running style, I am not sure he will be at his best in a west coast scheme which I always thought values quickness & finesse over power. Am I off base here -- if I am it wouldn't be the first time. I like the guy as an elite RB prospect -- but is a west coast offense where is most likely to succeed? Lith, don't forget that Morton coached with Harbaugh in SF for a couple of years, they ran a lot of power concepts with Frank Gore. I have to admit I don't know a ton about the guy, but most everything i have read about him suggest that he is likely to run a WC offense. Including these comments from Drew Brees: "He knows the origins of the West Coast offense, and he stays true to that, but he'll also evolve. It's his time. The one thing I appreciated about him each and every week is he always had a ton of knowledge and insight into the West Coast offense."I guess we will just have to wait and see what type of offense he runs. And knowing the recent history of this team, we will probably draft defense at 6 anyway. |
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Post by DowNY on Feb 12, 2017 3:36:51 GMT -5
NFL network had a segment about us choosing Leonard Fournette the other day. Can't find the video online though.
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Post by vulgardisplayoffutbo on Feb 12, 2017 15:07:57 GMT -5
NFL network had a segment about us choosing Leonard Fournette the other day. Can't find the video online though. Yeah I saw something on Facebook. I think it was Daniel Jeremiah mocking him to us. That was pleasing to see. |
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Post by Touchable on Feb 16, 2017 11:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by jif on Feb 17, 2017 9:57:26 GMT -5
A couple of things. I'm just going to start by saying that I believe Fournette is one of, if not THE top pure talents in this draft. You got it right when you said he is a physical freak. Size, speed, athleticism, strength. They are all there. I also believe some of the criticisms are, quite frankly, unfair. Fournette was not utilized as a pass catcher, but he has the hands and skill to do so. He has good vision and elusiveness, although he relies on power and speed. He struggled against Alabama. But you can hardly put the blame on him when the best defense in college football decides to take you away at all cost and your line does not protect you. i.e. defenders were in the backfield before he could even make a move. I watched that game. To blame Fournette for not 'showing up' against Alabama is laughable. Two things will make Fournette drop to 6. The fact that he is a RB. And his ankle injury issues. The latter is a legitimate concern for me. I don't know if I would call him 'injury prone', that would suggest numerous injuries over his career. But his ankle injury has been a chronic problem. So, a top prospect like Fournette will most likely drop to 6 for the Jets. Do they take him? I sure would. What about the ankle issues? Its a concern. And that's why some of the best doctors are hired by NFL teams to figure out exactly what the risk/reward and long term effects are. As far as Adams. What's not to love? He can do it all. Well, the problem is there's another prospect by the name of Malik Hooker. Heard of him? Yes, I have M.Hooker ahead of Adams as an NFL prospect. If he is there at 6 along with Adams, I take Hooker. That's just me. These guys are 1 and 1A in my book. So. Who to take if both Adams and Fournette are on the board, Fournette is 100% healthy and lets just assume Hooker goes to Tenn at 5? I got with the top overall talent in Fournette and frankly, I don't think twice. I think he will make a bigger immediate impact. I think he plays a position that can change the game more so than a premier safety, although I fully recognize that can be an argument made both ways. And I think an impact players at RB will do wonders for a young QB (I am specifically talking about Hack). What is MOST interesting to me, is what shoudl the Jets do if Fournette, a top QB, Adams, Barnette, etc. are on the board and the Jets get a trade offer to move down. What then? Hooker is 1 year wonder who scares the shit out me at #6. Great talent who can cover a lot of ground but hasnt proven he can do it over a period of time and he plays terrible competition. Adams has been doing it for years vs. much better competition but I'm not sure he he as the range of Hooker. I personally think RB at #6 would be huge mistake. A non-premium position and hands down the easiest position to fill on the entire roster. You dont need to spend top draft capital on a RB. Especially with a class this deep. Just look at the playoffs - 1 team had a 1st round pick RB - that team got bounced, 1 and done, by a team starting a WR at RB. The SB teams? Not 1 Rb that carried the ball was taken before the 3rd round. I think RB at #6 is terrible allocation of resources. And I'm not sure that Fournette is better than Cook...or that much better than McCaffery or Kamara for that matter. |
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Post by DowNY on Feb 25, 2017 1:21:05 GMT -5
Mel Kiper now has Fournette coming here
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Post by Yankees45 on Feb 26, 2017 12:44:37 GMT -5
At first I had cook ahead of fournette as a pro but I'm kinda in the middle now, what I'm thinking about now is who can stay healthy enough during a long season . Great running backs stay healthy , zeke started all 16 games, we need that , fournette has health issues, with his hard hitting style he's bound to have many more . I have a feeling fournette goes to jax and then our pick is between Adams and lattimore
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