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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 30, 2017 9:43:46 GMT -5
Saw a good question from a flat earth guy on another forum. How come there are no photos of Australia from space that show buildings upside down planes too?
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Post by Trades on Mar 30, 2017 12:03:24 GMT -5
Saw a good question from a flat earth guy on another forum. How come there are no photos of Australia from space that show buildings upside down planes too? Because of perspective and orientation. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 30, 2017 12:18:28 GMT -5
Saw a good question from a flat earth guy on another forum. How come there are no photos of Australia from space that show buildings upside down planes too? Because of perspective and orientation. You're gonna have to explain this to me. If you were far enough away to see the entire earth, countries on top would appear upright. Countries on the bottom would appear upside down, as would their buildings. That seems reasonable to me. |
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Post by Trades on Mar 30, 2017 12:38:57 GMT -5
Because of perspective and orientation. You're gonna have to explain this to me. If you were far enough away to see the entire earth, countries on top would appear upright. Countries on the bottom would appear upside down, as would their buildings. That seems reasonable to me. From that distance we don't have pictures with the resolution to see something like a building on them. This is where orientation comes in. Any picture that is taken zoomed in enough to see a building would be oriented "right side up" for presentation. So even if the camera is positioned "up side down" in space relative to Australia and zoomed in on a plane over Australia if someone handed you the picture showing the plane "up side down" you would flip it over because that is how our brains see the world. When we see a plane above land we orient it as we would see it in life. You also have to understand that there is no "up" in space. Every position has to be put into respective based on a relative frame based on another body. To have a picture that could show what you are asking it would be huge both in physical size and/or MegaPixels because planes and buildings are relatively small when compared to the Earth. So to see one of those objects as upside down over Australia relative to Europe you would have to be able to fit the whole Earth in a single frame that contains Europe, Australia and the plane. Not to mention that for it to be "up side down" it would have to be at the opposite sides of the Earth, 180 degrees apart, Europe to Australia is probably more like 90 degrees opposite maximum. The picture below is said to be the "best" picture of the Earth. You can pretty much see the curvature when looking at the clouds and continents. See how the clouds in the center of the photo look a little different than the ones to the left and right of them. That is perspective. Like when you are drawing a city street a road is drawn as a triangle with the point of the triangle being at the horizon. Do streets actually come to a point or continuously narrow? Of course not but perspective of view makes it look that way. www.nasa.gov/image-feature/new-weather-satellite-sends-first-images-of-earth |
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Post by Trades on Mar 30, 2017 12:42:25 GMT -5
To add to what I just posted if you have ever been on a ship in the ocean you can see that the Earth is curved and not flat since you can see the mast of another ship or the top of a mountain sooner than the boat or the bottom of the mountain. Think about the Mountain. since mountains rise gradually to a point pretty much in the center if you are on a flat plain the bottom of the mountain should be visible assuming that the line of sight on a flat Earth would actually be closer to the bottom of the mountain rather than the peak. However on a round or curved Earth the top of the mountain is visible over the curvature horizon sooner than the bottom which is still below the horizon.
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Post by 2foolish on Mar 30, 2017 12:57:27 GMT -5
A flat earth guy asked if the Earth is round why doesn't a pilot have to constantly t ip the note of the plane down. Good question. they do...when they start to land... |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 30, 2017 13:00:32 GMT -5
You're gonna have to explain this to me. If you were far enough away to see the entire earth, countries on top would appear upright. Countries on the bottom would appear upside down, as would their buildings. That seems reasonable to me. From that distance we don't have pictures with the resolution to see something like a building on them. This is where orientation comes in. Any picture that is taken zoomed in enough to see a building would be oriented "right side up" for presentation. So even if the camera is positioned "up side down" in space relative to Australia and zoomed in on a plane over Australia if someone handed you the picture showing the plane "up side down" you would flip it over because that is how our brains see the world. When we see a plane above land we orient it as we would see it in life. You also have to understand that there is no "up" in space. Every position has to be put into respective based on a relative frame based on another body. To have a picture that could show what you are asking it would be huge both in physical size and/or MegaPixels because planes and buildings are relatively small when compared to the Earth. So to see one of those objects as upside down over Australia relative to Europe you would have to be able to fit the whole Earth in a single frame that contains Europe, Australia and the plane. Not to mention that for it to be "up side down" it would have to be at the opposite sides of the Earth, 180 degrees apart, Europe to Australia is probably more like 90 degrees opposite maximum. The picture below is said to be the "best" picture of the Earth. You can pretty much see the curvature when looking at the clouds and continents. See how the clouds in the center of the photo look a little different than the ones to the left and right of them. That is perspective. Like when you are drawing a city street a road is drawn as a triangle with the point of the triangle being at the horizon. Do streets actually come to a point or continuously narrow? Of course not but perspective of view makes it look that way. www.nasa.gov/image-feature/new-weather-satellite-sends-first-images-of-earthThat's not a picture, it's a composite. Click on your link. |
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Post by Trades on Mar 30, 2017 13:00:52 GMT -5
How do Flat Earthers explain that there aren't 2 points on the Earth that you would have to cross the entire Earth plain to get from one to the other? In other words I can fly from LA to NYC in say 7 hours, from NYC to Frankfurt in 7 hours in the opposite direction. Frankfurt to Bejing is 9 hours. Bejing to Hawaii is 10 hours. Hawaii to LA is 5 hours.
In the list above I went from LA to LA, circumnavigating the globe in about 38 hours assuming for the sake of the thought experiment that we don't need to stop for fuel. The reason I broke the trip down as I did is because I can go in either direction on those trips which means that at the very least the Earth would have to be a ring right? How else can you circumnavigate? Sooner or later you would get to the end and have to go in the opposite direction to reach the other city. If you try to explain it as a flat circle I have to assume simple math and cartography would make any attempt at mapping such a plain impossible due to relative distances.
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 30, 2017 13:03:26 GMT -5
To add to what I just posted if you have ever been on a ship in the ocean you can see that the Earth is curved and not flat since you can see the mast of another ship or the top of a mountain sooner than the boat or the bottom of the mountain. Think about the Mountain. since mountains rise gradually to a point pretty much in the center if you are on a flat plain the bottom of the mountain should be visible assuming that the line of sight on a flat Earth would actually be closer to the bottom of the mountain rather than the peak. However on a round or curved Earth the top of the mountain is visible over the curvature horizon sooner than the bottom which is still below the horizon. Here's the thing though. As a ship sails away from land, common thought is that it is dipping below the horizon, so it disappears. But if you pick up a telescope and aim it where it disappeared, it comes back into view. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 30, 2017 13:05:17 GMT -5
How do Flat Earthers explain that there aren't 2 points on the Earth that you would have to cross the entire Earth plain to get from one to the other? In other words I can fly from LA to NYC in say 7 hours, from NYC to Frankfurt in 7 hours in the opposite direction. Frankfurt to Bejing is 9 hours. Bejing to Hawaii is 10 hours. Hawaii to LA is 5 hours. In the list above I went from LA to LA, circumnavigating the globe in about 38 hours assuming for the sake of the thought experiment that we don't need to stop for fuel. The reason I broke the trip down as I did is because I can go in either direction on those trips which means that at the very least the Earth would have to be a ring right? How else can you circumnavigate? Sooner or later you would get to the end and have to go in the opposite direction to reach the other city. If you try to explain it as a flat circle I have to assume simple math and cartography would make any attempt at mapping such a plain impossible due to relative distances. You got me. I'm just posting some questions that seem reasonable to me. |
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Post by ventesette on Mar 30, 2017 13:25:28 GMT -5
This is worse than the Brady vs. Pennington debates.
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Post by 2foolish on Mar 30, 2017 13:45:00 GMT -5
Saw a good question from a flat earth guy on another forum. How come there are no photos of Australia from space that show buildings upside down planes too? ur losing it man... |
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Post by 2foolish on Mar 30, 2017 13:46:31 GMT -5
To add to what I just posted if you have ever been on a ship in the ocean you can see that the Earth is curved and not flat since you can see the mast of another ship or the top of a mountain sooner than the boat or the bottom of the mountain. Think about the Mountain. since mountains rise gradually to a point pretty much in the center if you are on a flat plain the bottom of the mountain should be visible assuming that the line of sight on a flat Earth would actually be closer to the bottom of the mountain rather than the peak. However on a round or curved Earth the top of the mountain is visible over the curvature horizon sooner than the bottom which is still below the horizon. Here's the thing though. As a ship sails away from land, common thought is that it is dipping below the horizon, so it disappears. But if you pick up a telescope and aim it where it disappeared, it comes back into view. only for a short distance then it disappears...the higher you go up the longer the view... |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 30, 2017 13:59:05 GMT -5
Saw a good question from a flat earth guy on another forum. How come there are no photos of Australia from space that show buildings upside down planes too? ur losing it man... I know.  |
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Post by Trades on Mar 30, 2017 14:07:58 GMT -5
To add to what I just posted if you have ever been on a ship in the ocean you can see that the Earth is curved and not flat since you can see the mast of another ship or the top of a mountain sooner than the boat or the bottom of the mountain. Think about the Mountain. since mountains rise gradually to a point pretty much in the center if you are on a flat plain the bottom of the mountain should be visible assuming that the line of sight on a flat Earth would actually be closer to the bottom of the mountain rather than the peak. However on a round or curved Earth the top of the mountain is visible over the curvature horizon sooner than the bottom which is still below the horizon. Here's the thing though. As a ship sails away from land, common thought is that it is dipping below the horizon, so it disappears. But if you pick up a telescope and aim it where it disappeared, it comes back into view. That isn't true. |
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