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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 18:45:32 GMT -5
That ship has sailed, once we take them into custody we are responsible for their well being. Build a wall and they cannot get here. Someone recently suggested that. Ignorance is bliss.
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Post by tkasper01 on Jul 2, 2019 18:50:01 GMT -5
Build a wall and they cannot get here. Someone recently suggested that. Ignorance is bliss. The same Dem leadership calling for a wall 4 years ago, now opposing it, is the only reason we are in this position. If you don't see that then you are the ignorant follower.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 18:56:02 GMT -5
The same Dem leadership calling for a wall 4 years ago, now opposing it, is the only reason we are in this position. If you don't see that then you are the ignorant follower. The immigration system has be to be re-done, no wall will change that and before you blame the Dems, yet remind me what happened from 2016 to 2018? GOP house and Senate with Trump zero money for a wall. Ah damn facts.
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Post by Trades on Jul 2, 2019 19:03:21 GMT -5
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Post by tkasper01 on Jul 2, 2019 19:07:31 GMT -5
The same Dem leadership calling for a wall 4 years ago, now opposing it, is the only reason we are in this position. If you don't see that then you are the ignorant follower. The immigration system has be to be re-done, no wall will change that and before you blame the Dems, yet remind me what happened from 2016 to 2018? GOP house and Senate with Trump zero money for a wall. Ah damn facts. Everyone did nothing. Going back 30 years. If we make our border near impossible to illegally cross we begin to regain control. Plain and simple. But the Dems in charge now just want votes to beat Trump. They do not care about America or Americans. Gotta be pretty dumb not to see that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 19:14:32 GMT -5
The immigration system has be to be re-done, no wall will change that and before you blame the Dems, yet remind me what happened from 2016 to 2018? GOP house and Senate with Trump zero money for a wall. Ah damn facts. Everyone did nothing. Going back 30 years. If we make our border near impossible to illegally cross we begin to regain control. Plain and simple. But the Dems in charge now just want votes to beat Trump. They do not care about America or Americans. Gotta be pretty dumb not to see that. This is Trump’s policy. The buck stops at the top, you cannot ignore Stephen Miller has destroyed everything he has touched.
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Post by tkasper01 on Jul 2, 2019 19:19:21 GMT -5
Everyone did nothing. Going back 30 years. If we make our border near impossible to illegally cross we begin to regain control. Plain and simple. But the Dems in charge now just want votes to beat Trump. They do not care about America or Americans. Gotta be pretty dumb not to see that. This is Trump’s policy. The buck stops at the top, you cannot ignore Stephen Miller has destroyed everything he has touched. So we did not have this problem from 2008 to 2016? You can't blame Trump for this he inherited a fucking disaster. His efforts to improve it are being thwarted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 19:24:52 GMT -5
This is Trump’s policy. The buck stops at the top, you cannot ignore Stephen Miller has destroyed everything he has touched. So we did not have this problem from 2008 to 2016? You can't blame Trump for this he inherited a fucking disaster. His efforts to improve it are being thwarted. Trump took a shitty thing and made into a GIANT shit sandwich.
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Post by tkasper01 on Jul 2, 2019 19:30:18 GMT -5
So we did not have this problem from 2008 to 2016? You can't blame Trump for this he inherited a fucking disaster. His efforts to improve it are being thwarted. Trump took a shitty thing and made into a GIANT shit sandwich. Respectively disagree. He was given a shit show.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 19:41:10 GMT -5
Trump took a shitty thing and made into a GIANT shit sandwich. Respectively disagree. He was given a shit show. 10 billion spent and what have we gotten?
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Post by adpz on Jul 2, 2019 19:57:24 GMT -5
Trumps policies did not create the problem because the problem hugely pre-dates them. An accurate timeline could absolutely go back to the 1986 amnesty in which Dems failed to hold up their end of the enforcement bargain. An even more accurate timeline would say the problem's genesis was in the Flores consent decree during the Clinton admin - in 1997. Obama poured gas on that fire with DACA and other programs that gave a glimmer of 'amnesty' to those seeking to immigrate illegally to the US. Immigration waves started to come and that 2014 border crisis begat the Judge Gee decision that the Flores consent decree was not being upheld - this was in 2015. And THAT was the final straw that broke the camels back. One judge from California hamstrung border enforcement by cementing the detainment loophole that Flores was anyway. Now basically if you came as a family unit, you couldn't be held long enough for your credible fear claim (recall Obama admin wildly loosened the grounds) to be heard - so you'd be released together with your 'kid' and disappear into the country never to be heard from again. www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.htmlIt is no secret to Latin America and South America that the Democratic Party wants them in at all costs - is that a secret to anyone? So they continue to come in droves - and anyone unhappy with the border or the state of illegal immigration cannot possibly support a Democrat candidate this time around. It will be the end of illegal immigration enforcement. And the wave of people unleashed by a Democratic victory would dwarf the column that marched into Germany back in 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 20:23:05 GMT -5
Trumps policies did not create the problem because the problem hugely pre-dates them. An accurate timeline could absolutely go back to the 1986 amnesty in which Dems failed to hold up their end of the enforcement bargain. An even more accurate timeline would say the problem's genesis was in the Flores consent decree during the Clinton admin - in 1997. Obama poured gas on that fire with DACA and other programs that gave a glimmer of 'amnesty' to those seeking to immigrate illegally to the US. Immigration waves started to come and that 2014 border crisis begat the Judge Gee decision that the Flores consent decree was not being upheld - this was in 2015. And THAT was the final straw that broke the camels back. One judge from California hamstrung border enforcement by cementing the detainment loophole that Flores was anyway. Now basically if you came as a family unit, you couldn't be held long enough for your credible fear claim (recall Obama admin wildly loosened the grounds) to be heard - so you'd be released together with your 'kid' and disappear into the country never to be heard from again. www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.htmlIt is no secret to Latin America and South America that the Democratic Party wants them in at all costs - is that a secret to anyone? So they continue to come in droves - and anyone unhappy with the border or the state of illegal immigration cannot possibly support a Democrat candidate this time around. It will be the end of illegal immigration enforcement. And the wave of people unleashed by a Democratic victory would dwarf the column that marched into Germany back in 2015.
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Post by adpz on Jul 2, 2019 20:35:12 GMT -5
Trumps policies did not create the problem because the problem hugely pre-dates them. An accurate timeline could absolutely go back to the 1986 amnesty in which Dems failed to hold up their end of the enforcement bargain. An even more accurate timeline would say the problem's genesis was in the Flores consent decree during the Clinton admin - in 1997. Obama poured gas on that fire with DACA and other programs that gave a glimmer of 'amnesty' to those seeking to immigrate illegally to the US. Immigration waves started to come and that 2014 border crisis begat the Judge Gee decision that the Flores consent decree was not being upheld - this was in 2015. And THAT was the final straw that broke the camels back. One judge from California hamstrung border enforcement by cementing the detainment loophole that Flores was anyway. Now basically if you came as a family unit, you couldn't be held long enough for your credible fear claim (recall Obama admin wildly loosened the grounds) to be heard - so you'd be released together with your 'kid' and disappear into the country never to be heard from again. www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.htmlIt is no secret to Latin America and South America that the Democratic Party wants them in at all costs - is that a secret to anyone? So they continue to come in droves - and anyone unhappy with the border or the state of illegal immigration cannot possibly support a Democrat candidate this time around. It will be the end of illegal immigration enforcement. And the wave of people unleashed by a Democratic victory would dwarf the column that marched into Germany back in 2015. The border has been in crisis for 10 years plus - American immigration policy as well. Pick any arbitrary point you want - both are still ill and failing. Do you expect a Republican administration to hew closer to how you'd like the border and immigration enforced - or do you support a Democrat in the regard?
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Post by Jets Things on Jul 2, 2019 20:57:02 GMT -5
The border has been in crisis for 10 years plus - American immigration policy as well. Pick any arbitrary point you want - both are still ill and failing. Do you expect a Republican administration to hew closer to how you'd like the border and immigration enforced - or do you support a Democrat in the regard? He doesn't support a republican.
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Post by PK on Jul 2, 2019 21:16:27 GMT -5
Who built these detention centers? 🤔🤔😂😂
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