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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 14:06:32 GMT -5
Assuming immigrants will vote democrat is stupid to believe as well. Huh? We just witnessed all of the democratic candidates raise their hands on national TV in favor of providing free healthcare for illegals. Doesn’t really take a genius to figure out which side they will support. You think the Border Patrol was showing the debates in their facilities? You think they can do it without congress? You think they will keep their campaign Promises? Etc
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 14:11:04 GMT -5
Because I understand the law and deal with this shit on a daily basis gives me more insight than you ever or will have on the subject. You willfully ignore the Asylum laws because you don’t like it. In your simple arrogant mind do you think all laws are enforced the same and anyone who breaks the law are the same? No difference between violent and non-violent crime? The current administration is lumping them all in the same basket ignoring the laws on the books. Assuming immigrants will vote democrat is stupid to believe as well. I gotta disagree Cheech. The first order of business has to be to stop the in flow of illegal immigrants. Then we need to work to change and enforce the laws we have. There is no "one lane" solution to this problem. The cost to America is far to great to allow the unrestricted entrance. When I have argued for open borders? Obama Administration deported illegal immigrants at a record pace. The immigration system is broken and the laws are archaic.
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Post by Trades on Jul 5, 2019 14:52:18 GMT -5
Liberals don’t care. They are importing voters. Stupid and ignorant post. They come here to do the shit jobs we won’t do and for less money. They stay in the shadows but you want to believe they risk it all to vote? Moronic By coming here illegally and doing the jobs for less money because they don't pay taxes hurts the poorest citizens and legal immigrants by keeping wages artificially low. It gives cheaper goods to the middle and upper class but it just punishes the poor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 15:09:59 GMT -5
Stupid and ignorant post. They come here to do the shit jobs we won’t do and for less money. They stay in the shadows but you want to believe they risk it all to vote? Moronic By coming here illegally and doing the jobs for less money because they don't pay taxes hurts the poorest citizens and legal immigrants by keeping wages artificially low. It gives cheaper goods to the middle and upper class but it just punishes the poor. You forgot the business owner profit.
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 5, 2019 15:11:21 GMT -5
Can you read? The DEMS are letting them in as they will all be voters. I don’t care why THEY come here. THEY are illegal. Don’t act like you are some LEO above us all. You are a liberal not protecting the citizens. This country is over run with illegals entering illegally. Sugarcoat it any way you want. They are illegal and dems provide them with services. Because I understand the law and deal with this shit on a daily basis gives me more insight than you ever or will have on the subject. You willfully ignore the Asylum laws because you don’t like it. In your simple arrogant mind do you think all laws are enforced the same and anyone who breaks the law are the same? No difference between violent and non-violent crime? The current administration is lumping them all in the same basket ignoring the laws on the books. Assuming immigrants will vote democrat is stupid to believe as well. Hey you dumb cunt, by law all these illegals have to petition the US Consulates in Mexico to file an asylum claim. Why do all you fuckin Dims just ignore this? There wouldnt be a problem if they followed the law but you fucks never mention that.
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Post by Trades on Jul 5, 2019 15:13:23 GMT -5
By coming here illegally and doing the jobs for less money because they don't pay taxes hurts the poorest citizens and legal immigrants by keeping wages artificially low. It gives cheaper goods to the middle and upper class but it just punishes the poor. You forgot the business owner profit. Definitely another component
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 15:14:22 GMT -5
Because I understand the law and deal with this shit on a daily basis gives me more insight than you ever or will have on the subject. You willfully ignore the Asylum laws because you don’t like it. In your simple arrogant mind do you think all laws are enforced the same and anyone who breaks the law are the same? No difference between violent and non-violent crime? The current administration is lumping them all in the same basket ignoring the laws on the books. Assuming immigrants will vote democrat is stupid to believe as well. Hey you dumb cunt, by law all these illegals have to petition the US Consulates in Mexico to file an asylum claim. Why do all you fuckin Dims just ignore this? There wouldnt be a problem if they followed the law but you fucks never mention that. Not the law and once again you are wrong. www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 5, 2019 15:26:09 GMT -5
This guy is deteriorating before our eyes. Side note: He has now physically threatened Trump twice. Imagine if shoe was on other foot.
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 5, 2019 15:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by jay57 on Jul 5, 2019 15:47:11 GMT -5
Huh? We just witnessed all of the democratic candidates raise their hands on national TV in favor of providing free healthcare for illegals. Doesn’t really take a genius to figure out which side they will support. You think the Border Patrol was showing the debates in their facilities? You think they can do it without congress? You think they will keep their campaign Promises? Etc You think these people don't have phones and know how to check news sites? So racist of you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 15:48:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 15:50:36 GMT -5
You think the Border Patrol was showing the debates in their facilities? You think they can do it without congress? You think they will keep their campaign Promises? Etc You think these people don't have phones and know how to check news sites? So racist of you. Yes of course with international roaming and but sometimes their Soros bought caviar gets on the screen.
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Post by adpz on Jul 5, 2019 16:06:07 GMT -5
Well let's not forget the Obama Admin juiced their deportation numbers by reclassifying border-turnarounds as 'deportations'.
In reality, Obama interior removal deportation orders dropped (partly hamstrung by lefty judges after 2015). There were 69,000 INTERIOR removals in 2015; only 65,000 in 2016. Trump Admin managed 82,000 in 2017 despite the obvious obstacles. All just a drop in the bucket anyway.
And with Obama's numbers, that's before we net out the people he extended some form of amnesty to via DACA and DAPA. There are currently about 700,000 active DACAs - and about 3.6 Million illegal immigrants would have been eligible for amnesty-lite under DAPA.
Obama did okay on the border but on balance he was also aggressively promoting amnesty. If you got past the border, your odds of being removed from the country were infinitesimal - particularly if you avoided committing a crime.
Btw - a side effect of any amnesty granting status would be a new pathway to visas for lots of relatives. Without a visa overstayer program, even a wall will be almost useless. The country will be a sieve.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 16:48:22 GMT -5
Well let's not forget the Obama Admin juiced their deportation numbers by reclassifying border-turnarounds as 'deportations'. In reality, Obama interior removal deportation orders dropped (partly hamstrung by lefty judges after 2015). There were 69,000 INTERIOR removals in 2015; only 65,000 in 2016. Trump Admin managed 82,000 in 2017 despite the obvious obstacles. All just a drop in the bucket anyway. And with Obama's numbers, that's before we net out the people he extended some form of amnesty to via DACA and DAPA. There are currently about 700,000 active DACAs - and about 3.6 Million illegal immigrants would have been eligible for amnesty-lite under DAPA. Obama did okay on the border but on balance he was also aggressively promoting amnesty. If you got past the border, your odds of being removed from the country were infinitesimal - particularly if you avoided committing a crime. Btw - a side effect of any amnesty granting status would be a new pathway to visas for lots of relatives. Without a visa overstayer program, even a wall will be almost useless. The country will be a sieve. Where are you getting these numbers? Cite please.
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Post by adpz on Jul 5, 2019 17:03:34 GMT -5
Where are you getting these numbers? Cite please. Where else? Straight from the horse's mouth: www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2015Note the Obama trend in interior removals once re-election was over: First-term trend had been 230,000 interior removals a year on average (2008-2011) . And then they cratered in the second term. 2008 - 234,000
09 - 237,000
10 - 229,000
11 - 223,000
2012 - 181,000
13 - 133,000
14 - 102,000
15 - 69,000Let's also note that nearly ALL of the interior removals in 2015 and 2016 (98%) were of criminal illegal aliens. That's why the numbers dropped so hard. If you didn't commit a serious enough crime to be noticed, you stayed. The percentage of interior removals due to crime before Obama wound things down was more akin to 50-70% And if you look - even overall - at average annual deportations - here's the recent history - per annum: OBAMA - 664,267.00
BUSH - 1,291,106.25
CLINTON - 1,536,363.13
BUSH - 1,040,420.75
REAGAN - 1,034,606.63
CARTER - 908,314.00
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