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Post by Touchable on Nov 27, 2018 14:18:34 GMT -5
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Post by Trades on Nov 27, 2018 14:19:19 GMT -5
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Post by Trades on Nov 27, 2018 14:21:07 GMT -5
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Nov 27, 2018 14:24:11 GMT -5
Fair enough. Opinions and Monday morning quarterbacking are all well and good, but you cant really ban gun ownership based on accusations alone. In hindsight, the guy was a violent nut... maybe if just one of the women involved actually followed through and had him prosecuted, things turn out differently? Then again, some NY lawmakers want to make social media and browser history checks part of the application process, and accusations alone almost kept a guy off the SCOTUS, so maybe just accusations ARE ok? If George would have just called 911 and waited things would have been different. The gun gave him the balls to chase him down. Uniform gun laws to make gun ownership a responsibility with continuing education would be a great start. How would uniform gun laws and continuing education have prevented that situation? You've got a guy with no record, owning a legally procured handgun. Zimmerman had a gun license since 2009 when, apparently, a cop told him to get one for self defense from a neighbors pit bull. He went through training, had a conceal permit, followed all the "common sense laws" that I can think of. LEO responded to multiple domestic abuse reports between 2009 and the shooting - yet he still kept his gun... and probably rightfully so, since no charges were filed. Continuing education is great in theory, but how many people sit through defensive driving courses every year to lower points and save on insurance, and then go right back out and speed and drive recklessly or while intoxicated? The majority of people, to be frank, look at those types of classes as a formality and a means to an end to suffer through and barely pay attention. I'm not saying George wasn't a cowboy with anger issues, and for the record, I do agree he probably shouldn't have followed and engaged...again, bad judgement, but not illegal, and at the same time, you've got a community where property values had crashed, and you're getting a lot of transient renters in and out, and a rash of burglaries and home invasions all by young African Americans over the prior year or so... 911 and police response isnt always speedy...
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Post by Trades on Nov 27, 2018 14:30:07 GMT -5
Damn I agree with Fauxcahontas...
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Post by Trades on Nov 27, 2018 14:34:19 GMT -5
If George would have just called 911 and waited things would have been different. The gun gave him the balls to chase him down. Uniform gun laws to make gun ownership a responsibility with continuing education would be a great start. How would uniform gun laws and continuing education have prevented that situation? You've got a guy with no record, owning a legally procured handgun. Zimmerman had a gun license since 2009 when, apparently, a cop told him to get one for self defense from a neighbors pit bull. He went through training, had a conceal permit, followed all the "common sense laws" that I can think of. LEO responded to multiple domestic abuse reports between 2009 and the shooting - yet he still kept his gun... and probably rightfully so, since no charges were filed. Continuing education is great in theory, but how many people sit through defensive driving courses every year to lower points and save on insurance, and then go right back out and speed and drive recklessly or while intoxicated? The majority of people, to be frank, look at those types of classes as a formality and a means to an end to suffer through and barely pay attention. I'm not saying George wasn't a cowboy with anger issues, and for the record, I do agree he probably shouldn't have followed and engaged...again, bad judgement, but not illegal, and at the same time, you've got a community where property values had crashed, and you're getting a lot of transient renters in and out, and a rash of burglaries and home invasions all by young African Americans over the prior year or so... 911 and police response isnt always speedy... But if Cheech had a time machine he could use perfect hindsight to take all the guns away from those he feels shouldn't have had them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 14:37:31 GMT -5
Accountability is so old fashioned. South Park is a rough area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 14:44:53 GMT -5
If George would have just called 911 and waited things would have been different. The gun gave him the balls to chase him down. Uniform gun laws to make gun ownership a responsibility with continuing education would be a great start. How would uniform gun laws and continuing education have prevented that situation? You've got a guy with no record, owning a legally procured handgun. Zimmerman had a gun license since 2009 when, apparently, a cop told him to get one for self defense from a neighbors pit bull. He went through training, had a conceal permit, followed all the "common sense laws" that I can think of. LEO responded to multiple domestic abuse reports between 2009 and the shooting - yet he still kept his gun... and probably rightfully so, since no charges were filed. Continuing education is great in theory, but how many people sit through defensive driving courses every year to lower points and save on insurance, and then go right back out and speed and drive recklessly or while intoxicated? The majority of people, to be frank, look at those types of classes as a formality and a means to an end to suffer through and barely pay attention. I'm not saying George wasn't a cowboy with anger issues, and for the record, I do agree he probably shouldn't have followed and engaged...again, bad judgement, but not illegal, and at the same time, you've got a community where property values had crashed, and you're getting a lot of transient renters in and out, and a rash of burglaries and home invasions all by young African Americans over the prior year or so... 911 and police response isnt always speedy... Valid points, uniform gun laws so there aren’t any easy states vs more difficult states to own a gun. Continued education with background checks(mental health) may discourage some from porchasing a gun. No magic bullet, this isn’t only a inner city city problem. Shooting a piece of paper in a controlled environment is nothing like firing at a living being.
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Post by Trades on Nov 27, 2018 14:49:47 GMT -5
How would uniform gun laws and continuing education have prevented that situation? You've got a guy with no record, owning a legally procured handgun. Zimmerman had a gun license since 2009 when, apparently, a cop told him to get one for self defense from a neighbors pit bull. He went through training, had a conceal permit, followed all the "common sense laws" that I can think of. LEO responded to multiple domestic abuse reports between 2009 and the shooting - yet he still kept his gun... and probably rightfully so, since no charges were filed. Continuing education is great in theory, but how many people sit through defensive driving courses every year to lower points and save on insurance, and then go right back out and speed and drive recklessly or while intoxicated? The majority of people, to be frank, look at those types of classes as a formality and a means to an end to suffer through and barely pay attention. I'm not saying George wasn't a cowboy with anger issues, and for the record, I do agree he probably shouldn't have followed and engaged...again, bad judgement, but not illegal, and at the same time, you've got a community where property values had crashed, and you're getting a lot of transient renters in and out, and a rash of burglaries and home invasions all by young African Americans over the prior year or so... 911 and police response isnt always speedy... Valid points, uniform gun laws so there aren’t any easy states vs more difficult states to own a gun. Continued education with background checks(mental health) may discourage some from porchasing a gun. No magic bullet, this isn’t only a inner city city problem. Shooting a piece of paper in a controlled environment is nothing like firing at a living being. You are suggesting the training should include shooting real people?!?!? Monster!
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Post by DDNYjets on Nov 27, 2018 14:53:07 GMT -5
Good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 14:53:10 GMT -5
Valid points, uniform gun laws so there aren’t any easy states vs more difficult states to own a gun. Continued education with background checks(mental health) may discourage some from porchasing a gun. No magic bullet, this isn’t only a inner city city problem. Shooting a piece of paper in a controlled environment is nothing like firing at a living being. You are suggesting the training should include shooting real people?!?!? Monster! Would start with lawyers and accountants.
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Post by southparkcpa on Nov 27, 2018 14:55:13 GMT -5
Accountability is so old fashioned. South Park is a rough area. I make a nice income, work my ass off, pay my own retirement, health insurance, kids college paid and don't forget, I belong to a golf club too. I grew up on welfare, free lunch. I worked 3 jobs out of college. Rarely worked less than 45 hours a week, 60 in tax season. Moved to NC in 95 with $10,000 and no job. I apologize to no one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 15:01:32 GMT -5
South Park is a rough area. I make a nice income, work my ass off, pay my own retirement, health insurance, kids college paid and don't forget, I belong to a golf club too. I grew up on welfare, free lunch. I worked 3 jobs out of college. Rarely worked less than 45 hours a week, 60 in tax season. Moved to NC in 95 with $10,000 and no job. I apologize to no one. Good for you, honestly don’t care, thankfully you will be armed too. Hopefully the employees who keep up your clubs fairway and greens aren’t caught up in the caravan invasion.
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Post by southparkcpa on Nov 27, 2018 16:13:07 GMT -5
I make a nice income, work my ass off, pay my own retirement, health insurance, kids college paid and don't forget, I belong to a golf club too. I grew up on welfare, free lunch. I worked 3 jobs out of college. Rarely worked less than 45 hours a week, 60 in tax season. Moved to NC in 95 with $10,000 and no job. I apologize to no one. Good for you, honestly don’t care, thankfully you will be armed too. Hopefully the employees who keep up your clubs fairway and greens aren’t caught up in the caravan invasion. I don't care either.. Love those guys, I speak Spanish to them when I see them. I respect them. They are working. I say let's make them legal, somehow. You say you are for law enforcement.. but when it comes to the border it's law doesn't matter. Typical liberal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 16:34:09 GMT -5
Good for you, honestly don’t care, thankfully you will be armed too. Hopefully the employees who keep up your clubs fairway and greens aren’t caught up in the caravan invasion. I don't care either.. Love those guys, I speak Spanish to them when I see them. I respect them. They are working. I say let's make them legal, somehow. You say you are for law enforcement.. but when it comes to the border it's law doesn't matter. Typical liberal. If you cared about the border you would understand they come here because they know US companies will hire them. I respect the laws and understand when certain circumstances are being exploited for political purposes. Putting the military on the border is political.
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