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Post by Trades on Sept 27, 2019 14:01:27 GMT -5
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 27, 2019 14:04:12 GMT -5
False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son Trump has falsely claimed that Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating Ukraine’s largest private gas company, Burisma, which had added Biden’s son, Hunter, to its board in 2014. There are two big problems with this claim: One, Shokin was not investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden, and two, Shokin’s ouster was considered a diplomatic victory. Biden was among the many Western officials who pressed for the removal of Shokin because he actually was not investigating the corruption endemic to the country. Indeed, he was not investigating Burisma at the time. In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt publicly criticized Shokin’s office for thwarting a British money-laundering probe into Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. “Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk, of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center, told The Washington Post in July. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.” In a 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged about his role in Shokin’s removal, saying he had withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to force action. But Biden was carrying out a policy developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Getting rid of Shokin was considered the linchpin of reform efforts, but U.S. officials had a list of changes the government needed to make before it could obtain another loan guarantee. In December 2015, Biden traveled to Kiev and decried the “cancer of corruption” in the country in a speech to the parliament. “The Office of the General Prosecutor desperately needs reform,” he noted. Shokin was removed from office three months later, and Biden announced April 15 that the loan guarantee would go forward; the agreement between the United States and Ukraine was signed June 3. One can certainly raise questions about Hunter Biden’s judgment in joining Burisma’s board at a time his father had a high-profile role in working with Ukraine’s government. But by continuing to claim that Biden “did” something for his son, Trump persists in spreading a false narrative about a diplomatic maneuver hailed at the time as a step toward reducing corruption in Ukraine. LOL
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Post by quantum on Sept 27, 2019 14:43:26 GMT -5
If authentic of course they should be investigated, but what exactly are confidential foreign documents? Who, what, when and where, simple facts. Foreign as in country? Who conducted the interview and for what purpose. Biden was for foreperson for the US govt in the Ukraine, it has been established. If you were saying all this about the "whistleblower" report as well, maybe you wouldn't catch so much partisan flack for being so....partisan. As I understand it, this "whistleblower" is recounting what largely amounts to heresay, but is trying to shore that up with media accounts and the supposed integrity of the people they heard it from. Do I have that about right? But now you're gonna go on about "simple facts?" How convenient. Biden is dirty and should be held accountable. It's obvious to a duck. Oh, and let me take away the tool you'd like go to here; yes, the Epstein thing is still unsettled, there was gross corruption, nee conspiracy, where his death is concerned. funny how it how sounds like dossier part 2: write some bullshit, leak it the media, media writes stories on it, author tells public: look media stories back up my bullshit.
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Post by Trades on Sept 27, 2019 14:49:19 GMT -5
If you were saying all this about the "whistleblower" report as well, maybe you wouldn't catch so much partisan flack for being so....partisan. As I understand it, this "whistleblower" is recounting what largely amounts to heresay, but is trying to shore that up with media accounts and the supposed integrity of the people they heard it from. Do I have that about right? But now you're gonna go on about "simple facts?" How convenient. Biden is dirty and should be held accountable. It's obvious to a duck. Oh, and let me take away the tool you'd like go to here; yes, the Epstein thing is still unsettled, there was gross corruption, nee conspiracy, where his death is concerned. funny how it how sounds like dossier part 2: write some bullshit, leak it the media, media writes stories on it, author tells public: look media stories back up my bullshit. Didn't you hear? Snopes says Biden did nothing wrong!
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Post by quantum on Sept 27, 2019 14:50:03 GMT -5
They moved it to a secure server! They were hiding something!!! or why the fuck did the NYPost hire this doosh Bob Fredericks? He's spun everything he's written. They should cancel his ass like all his leftturd buttbuddies do to others
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 27, 2019 14:52:41 GMT -5
False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son Trump has falsely claimed that Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating Ukraine’s largest private gas company, Burisma, which had added Biden’s son, Hunter, to its board in 2014. There are two big problems with this claim: One, Shokin was not investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden, and two, Shokin’s ouster was considered a diplomatic victory. Biden was among the many Western officials who pressed for the removal of Shokin because he actually was not investigating the corruption endemic to the country. Indeed, he was not investigating Burisma at the time. In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt publicly criticized Shokin’s office for thwarting a British money-laundering probe into Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. “Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk, of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center, told The Washington Post in July. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.” In a 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged about his role in Shokin’s removal, saying he had withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to force action. But Biden was carrying out a policy developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Getting rid of Shokin was considered the linchpin of reform efforts, but U.S. officials had a list of changes the government needed to make before it could obtain another loan guarantee. In December 2015, Biden traveled to Kiev and decried the “cancer of corruption” in the country in a speech to the parliament. “The Office of the General Prosecutor desperately needs reform,” he noted. Shokin was removed from office three months later, and Biden announced April 15 that the loan guarantee would go forward; the agreement between the United States and Ukraine was signed June 3. One can certainly raise questions about Hunter Biden’s judgment in joining Burisma’s board at a time his father had a high-profile role in working with Ukraine’s government. But by continuing to claim that Biden “did” something for his son, Trump persists in spreading a false narrative about a diplomatic maneuver hailed at the time as a step toward reducing corruption in Ukraine. LOL Narrator: Except there is video of Biden bragging about getting the man fired.
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 27, 2019 14:54:45 GMT -5
They moved it to a secure server! They were hiding something!!! or why the fuck did the NYPost hire this doosh Bob Fredericks? He's spun everything he's written. They should cancel his ass like all his leftturd buttbuddies do to others Apparently this has been common practice for a while in an effort to curb leaking.
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 27, 2019 16:12:53 GMT -5
Nothing to see here. Reminds me of the last days of the Obama Admin when they loosened restrictions on intel sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 16:24:39 GMT -5
Nothing to see here. Reminds me of the last days of the Obama Admin when they loosened restrictions on intel sharing. Smoking gun. Throw it all out.
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 27, 2019 16:58:57 GMT -5
Nothing to see here. Reminds me of the last days of the Obama Admin when they loosened restrictions on intel sharing. This is really fucking disgusting. Brennan needs to be tried and hung. Find out who changed the qualifications and try them too. Schiff is neck deep in this shit too. They really are trying to topple a duly elected president.
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 27, 2019 17:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 18:32:20 GMT -5
Nothing to see here. Reminds me of the last days of the Obama Admin when they loosened restrictions on intel sharing. This is really fucking disgusting. Brennan needs to be tried and hung. Find out who changed the qualifications and try them too. Schiff is neck deep in this shit too. They really are trying to topple a duly elected president. Are you going to ignore the Trump appointed IG Mark Atkinson “determined there were reasonable grounds to find the complaint credible”. html1-f.scribdassets.com/3rax0zqrls78wa2s/images/2-66bccb6905.jpg
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 18:55:44 GMT -5
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 27, 2019 19:08:32 GMT -5
One of Romney's top guys was on the board of Burisma too.
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Post by vonrotten on Sept 27, 2019 19:13:41 GMT -5
Arizona State University’s State Press? Wtf. A powerhouse of credible journalism there. Universities don’t have news bureaus.
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