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Post by Lithfan on Mar 26, 2017 8:41:32 GMT -5
So, when I was sitting with the 4th pick in the 2nd round, I was deciding between trading back with Paradis or taking either Evan Engram or Curtis Samuel. I see Samuel as a Percy Harvin type playmaker. A big play guy who should get 8-12 touches a game -- rushing, receiving and returns. I never thought he woudl drop to 20. Now that he dropped lower than I expected, I am looking a gift horse in the mouth. Watching his tape, I have some concerns, lets the ball into his body, average hands, hasn't run a lot of NFL routes, but with his combination of quickness, elusiveness and speed he will make enough big plays to offset that.
Curious as to what others think. Did I overvalue him in the 2nd?
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 26, 2017 9:42:48 GMT -5
I really wanted Jarrad Davis for the Raiders. I didn't think he was on anyone else's radar haha. Damnnnn
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 26, 2017 9:54:00 GMT -5
Just over an hour on the clock for rvajet815. Next three picks after rva: yankeejet22jifHollywood NosebleedIf any of you are going to be unavailable for the next couple of hours, please PM picks to me, RobR & HN |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 26, 2017 10:33:41 GMT -5
Paradis! Dalvin Cook!? C'mon man! His skills will be wasted without a QB and behind a terrible line. By the time the rest of the team is good, he will be too beat down to contribute. Also, the next time he chips a Blitzer on his way out of the backfield to be a receiver will be the first.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 26, 2017 10:40:43 GMT -5
Paradis! Dalvin Cook!? C'mon man! His skills will be wasted without a QB and behind a terrible line. By the time the rest of the team is good, he will be too beat down to contribute. Also, the next time he chips a Blitzer on his way out of the backfield to be a receiver will be the first. lol you missed my post about no oline and QBs worth taking eh? |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 26, 2017 10:54:14 GMT -5
Paradis! Dalvin Cook!? C'mon man! His skills will be wasted without a QB and behind a terrible line. By the time the rest of the team is good, he will be too beat down to contribute. Also, the next time he chips a Blitzer on his way out of the backfield to be a receiver will be the first. lol you missed my post about no oline and QBs worth taking eh? Yes I did, but why not hooker, lattimore, or one of the other CBs? I'd even rather take Barnett over Cook. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 26, 2017 11:00:01 GMT -5
lol you missed my post about no oline and QBs worth taking eh? Yes I did, but why not hooker, lattimore, or one of the other CBs? I'd even rather take Barnett over Cook. Barnett's over rated and not every versatile IMO... hooker's injured and lattimore will be. I'm not spending a top 10 pick on secondary unless that shit is lock tight. Not even close with Lattimore... How about Offense? how about the best playmaker in the draft? You're asking me to consider a corner because of his upside/impact, and yet RB is excluded because sometimes round 4 guys are productive for a couple years? |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 26, 2017 11:06:04 GMT -5
Paradis! Dalvin Cook!? C'mon man! His skills will be wasted without a QB and behind a terrible line. By the time the rest of the team is good, he will be too beat down to contribute. Also, the next time he chips a Blitzer on his way out of the backfield to be a receiver will be the first. Last year, with terrible QB play and the same OL, we managed to rush for over 4.3 yards a carry. And in the last month of the season, Powell gained over 400 yards and over 5 yards per carry. Run blocking was not an issue for the OL. I would expect Cook to be very productive for us if he were the pick. Pass blocking may be another story, but I suspect some of that was on the inexperience of Petty at QB, since Fitz was sacked on about 4.5% of his dropbacks, which is at or better than league average, but Petty on 9%. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 26, 2017 11:11:51 GMT -5
Paradis! Dalvin Cook!? C'mon man! His skills will be wasted without a QB and behind a terrible line. By the time the rest of the team is good, he will be too beat down to contribute. Also, the next time he chips a Blitzer on his way out of the backfield to be a receiver will be the first. Last year, with terrible QB play and the same OL, we managed to rush for over 4.3 yards a carry. And in the last month of the season, Powell gained over 400 yards and over 5 yards per carry. Run blocking was not an issue for the OL. I would expect Cook to be very productive for us if he were the pick. Pass blocking may be another story, but I suspect some of that was on the inexperience of Petty at QB, since Fitz was sacked on about 4.5% of his dropbacks, which is at or better than league average, but Petty on 9%. If Powell wasn't 30 and hurt virtually every time he gets the rock more than 5 times a game -- i'd knock RB down the list significantly. But alas, Matt's old, and Powell's no spring chicken and can't stay healthy. How do help protect a QB? 1) Oline 2) RB Where's the value in the top 10 in 2017? |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 26, 2017 11:22:00 GMT -5
Last year, with terrible QB play and the same OL, we managed to rush for over 4.3 yards a carry. And in the last month of the season, Powell gained over 400 yards and over 5 yards per carry. Run blocking was not an issue for the OL. I would expect Cook to be very productive for us if he were the pick. Pass blocking may be another story, but I suspect some of that was on the inexperience of Petty at QB, since Fitz was sacked on about 4.5% of his dropbacks, which is at or better than league average, but Petty on 9%. If Powell wasn't 30 and hurt virtually every time he gets the rock more than 5 times a game -- i'd knock RB down the list significantly. But alas, Matt's old, and Powell's no spring chicken and can't stay healthy. How do help protect a QB? 1) Oline 2) RB Where's the value in the top 10 in 2017? I was agreeing with you. I think Cook will be a good pick. I would probably take Williams ahead of him, but I think our OL is good enough to block effectively and that Cook would be productive. I would have some reservations, primarily due to the off field stuff and ball security, but would not have a major problem with Cook at 6. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 26, 2017 11:25:09 GMT -5
If Powell wasn't 30 and hurt virtually every time he gets the rock more than 5 times a game -- i'd knock RB down the list significantly. But alas, Matt's old, and Powell's no spring chicken and can't stay healthy. How do help protect a QB? 1) Oline 2) RB Where's the value in the top 10 in 2017? I was agreeing with you. I think Cook will be a good pick. I would probably take Williams ahead of him, but I think our OL is good enough to block effectively and that Cook would be productive. I would have some reservations, primarily due to the off field stuff and ball security, but would not have a major problem with Cook at 6. I know, i just reinforcing that our situation at RB isn't exactly settled. If anything Powell flashing last year showed us what it could look like with a fulltime gangster back there. Cook/Williams is fine with me. Agreed about the off-field stuff. I wish it wasn't so. Lord do i ever. |
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Post by chrebet80 on Mar 26, 2017 11:27:15 GMT -5
So, when I was sitting with the 4th pick in the 2nd round, I was deciding between trading back with Paradis or taking either Evan Engram or Curtis Samuel. I see Samuel as a Percy Harvin type playmaker. A big play guy who should get 8-12 touches a game -- rushing, receiving and returns. I never thought he woudl drop to 20. Now that he dropped lower than I expected, I am looking a gift horse in the mouth. Watching his tape, I have some concerns, lets the ball into his body, average hands, hasn't run a lot of NFL routes, but with his combination of quickness, elusiveness and speed he will make enough big plays to offset that. Curious as to what others think. Did I overvalue him in the 2nd? I dont think you overvalued him. I was deciding between samuel and zay jones. I think samuels is a boom or bust prospect. A Lot of upside if used correctly, but he scares me a bit. I think zay Jones compares to Anquan boldin. So to me it came down to would I rather have Percy Harvin or Anquan boldin. I went the boldin route. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 26, 2017 11:37:45 GMT -5
Yes I did, but why not hooker, lattimore, or one of the other CBs? I'd even rather take Barnett over Cook. Barnett's over rated and not every versatile IMO... hooker's injured and lattimore will be. I'm not spending a top 10 pick on secondary unless that shit is lock tight. Not even close with Lattimore... How about Offense? how about the best playmaker in the draft? You're asking me to consider a corner because of his upside/impact, and yet RB is excluded because sometimes round 4 guys are productive for a couple years? I just don't think cook will be a dynamic playmaker in the NFL. Frankly, unless Adams is available at 6, I hope the Jets trade out of the spot. |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 26, 2017 12:07:15 GMT -5
Giants select Caleb Brantley, DT Florida Couldn't pass up the Gator, could you? Good luck today against SC. |
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Post by jif on Mar 26, 2017 12:08:18 GMT -5
Giants select Caleb Brantley, DT Florida Couldn't pass up the Gator, could you? Good luck today against SC. A little bit of bap but mostly that. I'm pumped for today!!! Already got a buzz going. PM sent to Hollywood |
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