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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 11, 2017 6:10:15 GMT -5
I am all for making education more accessible and even subsidizing but there needs to be more requirements. We cant be "investing" in sending tens of thousands of kids trying to be gym teachers. I think there could be some pretty significant unintended consequences. What's wrong with being a gym teacher? Nothing. But when you have thousands competing for just a handful of jobs it becomes a problem. We should be promoting education in fields where we actually need people. Math, science, tech, vocational, etc. And then we need to reform how we allow these companies to abuse h1b visas. |
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Post by Ff2 on Apr 11, 2017 10:59:58 GMT -5
What's wrong with being a gym teacher? Nothing. But when you have thousands competing for just a handful of jobs it becomes a problem. We should be promoting education in fields where we actually need people. Math, science, tech, vocational, etc. And then we need to reform how we allow these companies to abuse h1b visas. You seen these tubs o' lard video game playing cretins lately? We need more gym. |
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Post by Ff2 on Apr 11, 2017 14:00:09 GMT -5
Two,thoughts - Isn't that discriminatory? If everyone goes to colllege, then is the degree 'watered down'? If everyone could go to Yale, then a degree from Yale wouldn't hold as much weight. There's going. And then there's graduating. People need skin in the game. Just because Otis wakes up one day and decides he'd like to give book learnin' an try...doesn't mean fours years later all is hunky dory. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Apr 11, 2017 14:08:33 GMT -5
Im glad I moved.... just wait. NO good business moves to NY voluntarily but they outsource much of their employees.
I can see people quitting second jobs, having their wife quit etc.. JUST to make sure they are below 100K.
NOW..you will have to fill out special tax forms etc. NY, NJ, MASS etc.. what a bureaucracy.
They will create a department of probably 50 to 100 in Albany just to administer this.
In 20 years ..they will all retire on FAT pensions.
and me??? I just funded a scholarship for "poor kids" to my Alma Mater, a SUNY school. I promised to pay $X for 5 years to endow a scholarship. Ive paid year 1.
Why the FUCK should I finish the commitment? I also have my Alma Mater as a beneficiary on a life policy. Fukk that.
Ill make FF2 the beneficiary now.
Wait til the kid who got free tuition wants to move because he cant find a job in NY and has to pay the tuition to SUNY S.U.K.
Get the popcorn ready.
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Post by southparkcpa on Apr 11, 2017 14:10:23 GMT -5
Two,thoughts - Isn't that discriminatory? If everyone goes to colllege, then is the degree 'watered down'? If everyone could go to Yale, then a degree from Yale wouldn't hold as much weight. There's going. And then there's graduating. People need skin in the game. Just because Otis wakes up one day and decides he'd like to give book learnin' an try...doesn't mean fours years later all is hunky dory. Ever walk by the "uh hum" campus at a Strayer or Phoenix??? These "youth" are not college material in general. Yet they will have 50-100K in debt when done thanks to US guaranteeing the debt. |
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Post by porgyman on Apr 11, 2017 15:55:02 GMT -5
There's a big string attached to New York's free middle-class college tuition initiative: Students must stay in the state after graduation or else pay back the benefit. Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday that the requirement was added to protect the state's investment in a student's education by ensuring they don't take advantage of free tuition and then leave New York. The rule wasn't a part of Cuomo's free college tuition proposal when he unveiled it in January but was inserted during final negotiations with lawmakers over the state budget, which was approved Sunday. The tuition initiative, which Cuomo said is a national model, covers state college or university tuition for in-state students from families earning $125,000 or less. Students must remain in New York for as many years as they received the benefit. They must repay the money as a loan if they take a job in another state. "Why should New Yorkers pay for your college education and then you pick up and you move to California?" Cuomo said during a call with state editorial writers. "The concept of investing in you and your education is that you're going to stay here and be an asset to the state. If you don't want to stay here, then go to California now, let them pay for your college education." Students at University at Albany, part of the state university system, aren't so sure. "I don't know how much I like feeling confined, even to staying in the state for four more years," said Bobby Rickard, an 18-year-old freshman from Brewster who has not yet decided his major. "I don't know what life will have for me." Cumorah Reed, a 19-year-old English major, said certain technology jobs are concentrated on the West Coast and many of her classmates will be surprised to learn they will not be able to apply for those positions immediately after graduation. "I think it's going to be harder than people think," Reed said. Ashley Mendez, 18, a journalism and communications major, said the proposal is a fair compromise because many residents will stay anyway. "I'm a New Yorker. I wouldn't leave the state for anything," Mendez said. Sara Goldrick-Rab, a Temple University professor who studies college affordability, said the requirement undercuts the promise of free tuition and could deliver a nasty shock to students who fail to read the fine print, or who take the money believing they will stay in New York, only to find better job opportunities elsewhere. "It's absolutely bait and switch," she said. "You entice people with something they really, really need and then you penalize them if they can't find a decent job and have to leave." Republican lawmakers pushed for the requirement during closed-door state budget negotiations. "We took the governor's original plan and made it better, by requiring students to maintain a certain GPA and to live and work in New York after they graduate," said Scott Reif, a spokesman for the Senate's Republican leadership. Students who receive free tuition and then leave the state for an advanced degree won't have to pay the money back assuming they return to New York once they complete their graduate studies. State officials also plan to make accommodations for graduates who leave the state for military service. As part of the budget, lawmakers also approved a new tuition assistance program for students at private colleges and universities that offers up to $3,000 in tuition grants. That assistance also comes with a requirement that a student remain in New York after graduation for the same number of years they received the benefit. abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/york-lawmakers-approve-free-middle-class-college-tuition-46698833 |
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 11, 2017 18:48:58 GMT -5
There's a big string attached to New York's free middle-class college tuition initiative: Students must stay in the state after graduation or else pay back the benefit. Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday that the requirement was added to protect the state's investment in a student's education by ensuring they don't take advantage of free tuition and then leave New York. The rule wasn't a part of Cuomo's free college tuition proposal when he unveiled it in January but was inserted during final negotiations with lawmakers over the state budget, which was approved Sunday. The tuition initiative, which Cuomo said is a national model, covers state college or university tuition for in-state students from families earning $125,000 or less. Students must remain in New York for as many years as they received the benefit. They must repay the money as a loan if they take a job in another state. "Why should New Yorkers pay for your college education and then you pick up and you move to California?" Cuomo said during a call with state editorial writers. "The concept of investing in you and your education is that you're going to stay here and be an asset to the state. If you don't want to stay here, then go to California now, let them pay for your college education." Students at University at Albany, part of the state university system, aren't so sure. Sucks for me that I went through my AAS for nursing before this was enacted, because I would've qualified. Now that it's here, I make too much to take advantage of it for my BSN. Oh well. "I don't know how much I like feeling confined, even to staying in the state for four more years," said Bobby Rickard, an 18-year-old freshman from Brewster who has not yet decided his major. "I don't know what life will have for me." Problem #1 that wasn't addressed; this undeclared, 'figuring myself out' bullshit not being excluded. You're supposed to go into college with a pretty good idea of why you're going there in the first place. Cumorah Reed, a 19-year-old English major, said certain technology jobs are concentrated on the West Coast and many of her classmates will be surprised to learn they will not be able to apply for those positions immediately after graduation. "I think it's going to be harder than people think," Reed said. An English major? Problem #2, bullshit majors. I know, I know, this can be applied towards a career in journalism, communications, teaching and what have you. But there is a finite amount of jobs out there, and those fields are pretty saturated already. And that leads me to her example; tech jobs. The tech sector, at least for entry-level, non-specialty school graduates, is even more saturated. And what, she's never heard of Silicon Alley? Dope. Sara Goldrick-Rab, a Temple University professor who studies college affordability, said the requirement undercuts the promise of free tuition and could deliver a nasty shock to students who fail to read the fine print, or who take the money believing they will stay in New York, only to find better job opportunities elsewhere. "It's absolutely bait and switch," she said. "You entice people with something they really, really need and then you penalize them if they can't find a decent job and have to leave."Yea, no. If you're too stupid to comprehend or learn about your obligations for receiving "free" services, and then compound it with a poor career choice, that's on you and you don't deserve to be there (in school) from the get-go. Additionally, the "decent job" isn't the problem, it's contending with the cost of living, which, by and large, is relative to where you live anyway, so it's largely a non sequitur "We took the governor's original plan and made it better, by requiring students to maintain a certain GPA and to live and work in New York after they graduate," said Scott Reif, a spokesman for the Senate's Republican leadership. Thankfully. Remember, I went back to school as an adult, so I saw how most of these kids spent their time. Let's just say that parenting has really set a new low bar when it comes to demands placed on kid's grades. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Apr 11, 2017 23:28:11 GMT -5
I am all for making education more accessible and even subsidizing but there needs to be more requirements. We cant be "investing" in sending tens of thousands of kids trying to be gym teachers. I think there could be some pretty significant unintended consequences. If we have to subsidize it has to be STEM ONLY! No more garbage degrees. I was thinking about this the other day - how about some sort of fund where people can invest in bright kids for STEM degrees, and then get some sort of return on investment. Crazy thoughts, but definitely there needs to be a focus on STEM. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Apr 11, 2017 23:32:05 GMT -5
What we dont need is to throw more "free money" at higher education. We need to make changes to lower the artificially inflated cost of higher education. Make schools compete in a free market, and watch the cost come down.
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Post by Trades on Apr 12, 2017 7:05:50 GMT -5
What we dont need is to throw more "free money" at higher education. We need to make changes to lower the artificially inflated cost of higher education. Make schools compete in a free market, and watch the cost come down. And we need to improve the "free" education that is already provided. It is an embarrassment that we get our asses kicked every year in global education assessments. |
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Post by Big L on Apr 12, 2017 7:38:51 GMT -5
What we dont need is to throw more "free money" at higher education. We need to make changes to lower the artificially inflated cost of higher education. Make schools compete in a free market, and watch the cost come down. And we need to improve the "free" education that is already provided. It is an embarrassment that we get our asses kicked every year in global education assessments. Exactly. Let's work on improving the K-12 first. Seems like when things are given away for free, people tend to not give a shit. |
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Post by Trades on Apr 12, 2017 8:15:00 GMT -5
And we need to improve the "free" education that is already provided. It is an embarrassment that we get our asses kicked every year in global education assessments. Exactly. Let's work on improving the K-12 first. Seems like when things are given away for free, people tend to not give a shit. Tragedy of the commons (sort of) |
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Post by quantum on Apr 13, 2017 14:39:28 GMT -5
and me??? I just funded a scholarship for "poor kids" to my Alma Mater, a SUNY school. I promised to pay $X for 5 years to endow a scholarship. Ive paid year 1. so you're well endowed, then? anyways: "free"? Not even close. |
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Post by PK on Apr 13, 2017 15:11:38 GMT -5
I just funded a scholarship for "poor kids" to my Alma Mater, a SUNY school. I promised to pay $X for 5 years to endow a scholarship. Ive paid year 1. FredFest is next weekend. BJ's will be hopping  |
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Post by southparkcpa on Apr 14, 2017 8:20:09 GMT -5
I just funded a scholarship for "poor kids" to my Alma Mater, a SUNY school. I promised to pay $X for 5 years to endow a scholarship. Ive paid year 1. FredFest is next weekend. BJ's will be hopping They've invited me to get more involved.... I said only if I could do Jell-O shots off the asses of a few coeds. |
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