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Post by Big L on Apr 11, 2017 8:57:33 GMT -5
They werent air marshalls..but this is essentially what happened. And the guy said no. And the problem wasnt solved. What needed to happen here (monday morning QB'ing in full effect) was that an emotionally disturbed person protocol should have been declared, the plane evacuated and trained Emergency Service Cops brought on to subdue this imbecile without harm. But..time is money, the rest of the passengers, the same ones wringing their hands and filming, would have revolted if asked to deplane...its a mess. The cops had little recourse...the guy is an asshole..a perfect storm. Why isn't there a first come first serve protocle for over bookings? Dude checked in first, the seat is his. Having to remove a passenger from a flight is dumb. 20$ says the dude who took his seat pulled strings. ...the seats were needed for another United flight crew...... not sure they had to pull strings...
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Post by frostlich on Apr 11, 2017 9:01:07 GMT -5
They werent air marshalls..but this is essentially what happened. And the guy said no. And the problem wasnt solved. What needed to happen here (monday morning QB'ing in full effect) was that an emotionally disturbed person protocol should have been declared, the plane evacuated and trained Emergency Service Cops brought on to subdue this imbecile without harm. But..time is money, the rest of the passengers, the same ones wringing their hands and filming, would have revolted if asked to deplane...its a mess. The cops had little recourse...the guy is an asshole..a perfect storm. Why isn't there a first come first serve protocle for over bookings? Dude checked in first, the seat is his. Having to remove a passenger from a flight is dumb. 20$ says the dude who took his seat pulled strings. Dude who took his seat were airline flight crew I believe...needing to get to next assignment. Flying has become too much of a unreliabe crapshoot and one of the most miserable forms of transportation in my opinion. People freaking out and losing their minds. Airlines recording record profits so they can shoehorn passengers into cattle cars. Fuck that. I'll drive if at all possible.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Apr 11, 2017 9:04:13 GMT -5
Why isn't there a first come first serve protocle for over bookings? Dude checked in first, the seat is his. Having to remove a passenger from a flight is dumb. 20$ says the dude who took his seat pulled strings. ...the seats were needed for another United flight crew...... not sure they had to pull strings... So this can't be worked out before? I need 4 seats for crew, last 4 people to check in get bumped.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 9:06:08 GMT -5
Why isn't there a first come first serve protocle for over bookings? Dude checked in first, the seat is his. Having to remove a passenger from a flight is dumb. 20$ says the dude who took his seat pulled strings. Dude who took his seat were airline flight crew I believe...needing to get to next assignment. Flying has become too much of a unreliabe crapshoot and one of the most miserable forms of transportation in my opinion. People freaking out and losing their minds. Airlines recording record profits so they can shoehorn passengers into cattle cars. Fuck that. I'll drive if at all possible. Years ago, politicians sold us all out by removing rail lines which would have been convenient and cheaper. Plus, they terminated in a city's downtown, not at an airport an hour or more away.
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Post by JStokes on Apr 11, 2017 9:48:25 GMT -5
What changed since yesterday?
Now all of a sudden the guy that reserved, bought his seat and checked in is the bad guy?
Btw, United could have put those people on any other plane in any other airline flying to the same destination. Airlines have deals with every other carrier to allow crews to fly, be it in open seats or jump seats.
My brother is a pilot for FedEx. He can get in any plane he wants to that has an open seat or a jump seat.
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Post by JStokes on Apr 11, 2017 9:50:05 GMT -5
And I know we need to follow instructions from air marshalls, but EVERY instruction.
Excuse me sir, we're going to need you to strip down naked and sing the Patriot Fight song while prancing up the aisle.
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Post by 2milehighJet on Apr 11, 2017 9:51:05 GMT -5
With all the oversold flights, imagine getting a standby seat!! Sorry work, family, Ill be home in 10 days!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 10:33:36 GMT -5
Here's the thing....if it were anyone else other than United airline crew who they needed to get to Louisville, they wouldn't have forced the passengers off.
If it was overbooked for regular customers, they would have offered an incentive and if no one volunteered to change flights the overbooked people would have been shit out of luck.
I had a Delta flight back to NY overbooked a few years ago. Family of 5 (wife, hubby and three kids) were short 3 seats. It was a few days before Christmas and no one was volunteering. I sat and waited until the price got right - $1,000 and a flight out 3 hours later was worth it to me. I suspect that if it were Delta crew that needed those seats the offer would not have gotten anywhere near that amount and the random computer drawing would have occurred.
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Post by crossfire on Apr 11, 2017 10:40:28 GMT -5
What changed since yesterday? Now all of a sudden the guy that reserved, bought his seat and checked in is the bad guy? Nope... apparently the fucking guy was always a douchebag. Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sexBy Natalie Musumeci Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sex The United Airlines passenger who was hauled off an overbooked plane is a poker-playing doctor from Kentucky with a sordid past. Dr. David Dao, 69, who was captured in a now viral video being forcibly dragged off the Louisville, Ky-bound flight at Chicago O’Hare Airport on Sunday, was working as a doctor specializing in pulmonary disease in Elizabethtown when he was convicted of trading prescription drugs for sex favors. According to documents filed with the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure, Dao was arrested in 2003 on the drug-related offenses following an undercover investigation. The board’s probe into the criminal charges found that Dao became sexually interested in a male patient, Brian Case, who he gave a physical examination to, including a genital examination, and then eventually made the man his office manager. Case then quit that job due to “inappropriate” remarks made by Dao, who then pursued him and arranged to give him prescription drugs in exchange for sexual acts, the documents, filed last year, state. In 2004, Dao was convicted on a slew of felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud or deceit and was later placed on five years of supervised probation, the newspaper reported. Dao and co-defendant Case, identified in the documents by the state medical board as “Patient A,” were both indicted in the case. The medical board said that Dao had a sexual relationship with Case and supplied him with narcotics while Case was his patient. The two would often meet at hotel rooms. The two allegedly worked together to obtain prescription narcotics at several pharmacies over three years, according to reports. The Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure permitted Dao to continue practicing medicine in 2015 under certain conditions, after he completed his probation and underwent psychological evaluations, the Courier-Journal reported. Dao went to medical school in Vietnam in the 1970s before moving to the US, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. Dao, who previously worked at Hardin Memorial Hospital in Elizabethtown and once owned a medical practice, is a grandfather and father of five, the Daily Mail reported. His wife, Teresa Dao, who trained at Ho Chi Minh University in Saigon, is a pediatrician in Elizabethtown, according to the Daily Mail. Four of their five children are doctors. The bloody incident aboard Flight 3411 has caused a public relations disaster for United. With Post Wires nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/
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Post by Ff2 on Apr 11, 2017 11:06:37 GMT -5
Facts, people facts...know the rules.
Compensation depends on how quickly the airline can get one to the next place one is booked to, and can reach 400% of your paid fare or up to $1,350 if they cannot get you to your next destination within four hours. If they can get you somewhere you are booked to within an hour or two, the compensation is much less. And if you're flying on a free ticket, you're entitled to compensation equal to the ticket cost in your class of service. So if you're in coach on a free ticket with miles, you're entitled to compensation as if you had paid full price.
Judging from the video, which may not tell the full story, it doesn't look like the people who escorted the United passenger off his flight gave him the immediate written instructions they are required to do by law. It also does not look like they told him about his compensation rights.
Unfortunately, this is a typical game all of the airlines play. They start offering compensation and travel that is less than what is required under the FAA rule hoping that people who haven't been properly informed about their rights will take the cheap offer. When this doesn't work they slowly raise the offers.
Flying for vacation travel or work on a modern US carrier's plane can be enjoyable and pleasant. Just do what you are told by the crew. And, to fulfill their part of the bargain, airlines need to follow the rules and treat passengers who get bumped fairly.
If United had taken a senior gate agent and brought him onto the airplane and said to the doctor, "here is our written policy about denied boarding. I know you are in a seat, but you are mistaken that we can't remove you. But guess what? You will get refunded whatever you paid if we can get you to your destination within an hour and if it takes longer you could get up to 400 percent."
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Post by JStokes on Apr 11, 2017 11:07:21 GMT -5
What changed since yesterday? Now all of a sudden the guy that reserved, bought his seat and checked in is the bad guy? Nope... apparently the fucking guy was always a douchebag. Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sexBy Natalie Musumeci Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sex The United Airlines passenger who was hauled off an overbooked plane is a poker-playing doctor from Kentucky with a sordid past. Dr. David Dao, 69, who was captured in a now viral video being forcibly dragged off the Louisville, Ky-bound flight at Chicago O’Hare Airport on Sunday, was working as a doctor specializing in pulmonary disease in Elizabethtown when he was convicted of trading prescription drugs for sex favors. According to documents filed with the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure, Dao was arrested in 2003 on the drug-related offenses following an undercover investigation. The board’s probe into the criminal charges found that Dao became sexually interested in a male patient, Brian Case, who he gave a physical examination to, including a genital examination, and then eventually made the man his office manager. Case then quit that job due to “inappropriate” remarks made by Dao, who then pursued him and arranged to give him prescription drugs in exchange for sexual acts, the documents, filed last year, state. In 2004, Dao was convicted on a slew of felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud or deceit and was later placed on five years of supervised probation, the newspaper reported. Dao and co-defendant Case, identified in the documents by the state medical board as “Patient A,” were both indicted in the case. The medical board said that Dao had a sexual relationship with Case and supplied him with narcotics while Case was his patient. The two would often meet at hotel rooms. The two allegedly worked together to obtain prescription narcotics at several pharmacies over three years, according to reports. The Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure permitted Dao to continue practicing medicine in 2015 under certain conditions, after he completed his probation and underwent psychological evaluations, the Courier-Journal reported. Dao went to medical school in Vietnam in the 1970s before moving to the US, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. Dao, who previously worked at Hardin Memorial Hospital in Elizabethtown and once owned a medical practice, is a grandfather and father of five, the Daily Mail reported. His wife, Teresa Dao, who trained at Ho Chi Minh University in Saigon, is a pediatrician in Elizabethtown, according to the Daily Mail. Four of their five children are doctors. The bloody incident aboard Flight 3411 has caused a public relations disaster for United. With Post Wires nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/Well that's kind of after the fact info. And why become a doctor if you can't trade drugs for sex? It's like Bill Clinton- why become president if you can get BJs in the Oval Office. _
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Post by Ff2 on Apr 11, 2017 11:11:07 GMT -5
Nope... apparently the fucking guy was always a douchebag. Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sexBy Natalie Musumeci Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sex The United Airlines passenger who was hauled off an overbooked plane is a poker-playing doctor from Kentucky with a sordid past. Dr. David Dao, 69, who was captured in a now viral video being forcibly dragged off the Louisville, Ky-bound flight at Chicago O’Hare Airport on Sunday, was working as a doctor specializing in pulmonary disease in Elizabethtown when he was convicted of trading prescription drugs for sex favors. According to documents filed with the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure, Dao was arrested in 2003 on the drug-related offenses following an undercover investigation. The board’s probe into the criminal charges found that Dao became sexually interested in a male patient, Brian Case, who he gave a physical examination to, including a genital examination, and then eventually made the man his office manager. Case then quit that job due to “inappropriate” remarks made by Dao, who then pursued him and arranged to give him prescription drugs in exchange for sexual acts, the documents, filed last year, state. In 2004, Dao was convicted on a slew of felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud or deceit and was later placed on five years of supervised probation, the newspaper reported. Dao and co-defendant Case, identified in the documents by the state medical board as “Patient A,” were both indicted in the case. The medical board said that Dao had a sexual relationship with Case and supplied him with narcotics while Case was his patient. The two would often meet at hotel rooms. The two allegedly worked together to obtain prescription narcotics at several pharmacies over three years, according to reports. The Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure permitted Dao to continue practicing medicine in 2015 under certain conditions, after he completed his probation and underwent psychological evaluations, the Courier-Journal reported. Dao went to medical school in Vietnam in the 1970s before moving to the US, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. Dao, who previously worked at Hardin Memorial Hospital in Elizabethtown and once owned a medical practice, is a grandfather and father of five, the Daily Mail reported. His wife, Teresa Dao, who trained at Ho Chi Minh University in Saigon, is a pediatrician in Elizabethtown, according to the Daily Mail. Four of their five children are doctors. The bloody incident aboard Flight 3411 has caused a public relations disaster for United. With Post Wires nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/Well that's kind of after the fact info. And why become a doctor if you can't trade drugs for sex? It's like Bill Clinton- why become president if you can get BJs in the Oval Office. _ Guy was a "poker-playing doctor"...POKER!!!! He got what he deserved.
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Post by Hotman on Apr 11, 2017 17:05:01 GMT -5
LMFAO at idiots defending the airline that took down the WTC.
They should be out of business.
And I hope and pray every one of you defending this cocksucker corporation gets forcibly removed from your flight in some bumfuck town especially.
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Post by Big L on Apr 11, 2017 17:57:11 GMT -5
LMFAO at idiots defending the airline that took down the WTC. They should be out of business. And I hope and pray every one of you defending this cocksucker corporation gets forcibly removed from your flight in some bumfuck town especially. Are you saying air carriers are responsible for taking down the WTCs?
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Post by 32Green on Apr 11, 2017 17:59:57 GMT -5
LMFAO at idiots defending the airline that took down the WTC. They should be out of business. And I hope and pray every one of you defending this cocksucker corporation gets forcibly removed from your flight in some bumfuck town especially. Are you saying air carriers are responsible for taking down the WTCs? Oh thats exactly what he's saying.
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