Detroit Police Chief tells it like it is.

I agree.  If they police force feels they are undermanned then that might be a proper solution.  I think the biggest issue in Chicago is the politicians.  I think they police can crackdown on the violence in the short-term.  But in the long-term they need a culture change.  Generations of failed liberal democratic policies have crippled that city.

Not realistic. LE has partnered with the Feds prosecutorily and that's certainly an option here but as DDNY said, the local pols are dependent on the same old same old. LE has been demonized into inaction and futility and decades of benign democratic neglect that reaped nothing but votes.. and promulgated dysfunction, despair and victimhood have left a gutted culture dependent on the state. 

LE certainly aint perfect (it is comprised of humans after all) but when you take political support away and allow the locals to think the cops are the enemy, LE withdraws, a vaccuum is formed and violence fills it in. Baltimore, Chicago..a tired old script. 

Again I'm curious. What would you do? Its easy to suggest Trump is an idiot for making the suggestion (he may well be)..but what would you do?

I don't think Trump even wanted to do it, he just say things that sound simple for simpletons.

As you well know I have no idea what Im talking about but I would assume bring in Feds would be a "gas on a fire" situation. NG guys patrolling the streets looking for people who "look like gang bangers." Seems recipe for disaster...not to mention blatantly illegal.

From my limited knowledge urban LE seems to work best when you have motivated solution-oriented guys neighborhood to neighborhood. The so called "broken-window" approach style. But I'm thinking in areas too far gone, that maybe be too late. Obviously the people living there need to work in partnership with cops as well. Once its a war zone Im at a loss for solutions to be honest. Seems like block to block is the only way to reclaim the cities.

But your point is a valid one if cops don't feel the support from above nothing will happen.

Lotsa stuff here from both side if you feel like reading. You might find it a load of crap, I dunno.

cebcp.org/evidence-based-policing/what-works-in-policing/research-evidence-review/broken-windows-policing/

Broken Window works, they actually referred to it as that when Bratton came her to NY. Basically, if you take care of the little things, the big things will follow. Homicides were reduced by over 90% in most patrol commands. 

However, you need a Mayor and a Police Commissioner on the same page who have the stomach for it and are prepared to withstand the withering cries from the ACLU, the racial arsonists and media. The Feds arent foot soldiers but they can offer logistical support. It wouldnt have to come to that if the Mayor and the local pols actually cared more for young black lives than their own political posturing. 

Guiliani was often called a racist but there is no doubt in my mind he saved over 10,000 young black lives by having the balls to ignore the chants and do what he knew was right. 

He's no looker, kinda like the alien guy from Star Trek before Clint Howard appears with the Tranya. Big marathon runner, I've heard good things about him. Boston guys seem to like him.  

Below is an interesting article I saw yesterday. The bolded part is important imho, because Obama's justice dept. was knee deep in sustaining this completely false narrative of a racially motivated assassination (not my opinion, the truth as borne out by the investigation). This Officer's career and life as he knew it....were destroyed because the President of the United States was more interested in stirring racial hatred than leading, as he did in almost every media-fueled, manufactured incident involving cops. The damage is still being felt today, the resentment and despair, real. 


 Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Thursday, May 4, 2017


An unclassified FBI study on last year’s cop-killing spree found officers are “de-policing” amid concerns that anti-police defiance fueled in part by movements like Black Lives Matter has become the “new norm.”

“Departments — and individual officers — have increasingly made the decision to stop engaging in proactive policing,” said the report by the FBI Office of Partner Engagement obtained by The Washington Times.


The report, “Assailant Study — Mindsets and Behaviors,” said that the social-justice movement sparked by the 2014 death of 18-year-old Michael Brown at the hands of an officer in Ferguson, Missouri, “made it socially acceptable to challenge and discredit the actions of law enforcement.”


FBI spokesman Matthew Bertron said the study was written in April.

“Nearly every police official interviewed agreed that for the first time, law enforcement not only felt that their national political leaders [publicly] stood against them, but also that the politicians’ words and actions signified that disrespect to law enforcement was acceptable in the aftermath of the Brown shooting,” the study said.

As a result, “Law enforcement officials believe that defiance and hostility displayed by assailants toward law enforcement appears to be the new norm.”




The report examined 50 of the 53 incidents last year in which officers were killed in the line of duty, excluding the three cases that involved minors or perpetrators who remain unknown.

Most of the assailants who used deadly force against officers did so in an effort to avoid being taken into custody, but 28 percent were motivated by hatred of police and a desire to “kill law enforcement,” in some cases fueled by social and political movements.

“The assailants inspired by social and/or political reasons believed that attacking police officers was their way to ‘get justice’ for those who had been, in their view, unjustly killed by law enforcement,” the study said.

The perpetrators said their animus toward police was based on their own experiences as well as “what they heard and read in the media about other incidents involving law enforcement shootings.”

Those charged in the July 2016 shootings of police in Dallas and Baton Rouge “said they were influenced by the Black Lives Matter movement, and their belief that law enforcement was targeting black males,” the report said.

Five officers were killed in the Dallas ambush, which coincided with a protest against police shootings of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota, while three officers died in the Baton Rouge massacre.

Last year was particularly deadly for police: Sixty-four were shot and killed in the line of duty, a 56 percent increase from 2015. Of those, 21 were killed in ambush-style attacks, “the highest total in more than two decades,” according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.


While racial tension has been the focus of deadly police encounters since the Brown shooting, nearly half of the assailants who killed officers in 2016 — 48 percent — were white, the FBI study found.

Of the rest, 36 percent were black, 14 percent were Hispanic, and 2 percent were Native Alaskan. Nearly all — 86 percent — had criminal histories; 60 percent had used drugs, and 32 percent were under the influence at the time of the attack.

In addition, 26 percent were under active warrants, and 24 percent had known gang affiliations. All were men.

The report also found that the trend toward drug decriminalization and reduced sentencing had emboldened perpetrators, making them believe that “consequences no longer exist for criminal acts, especially drug offenses.”

“Across the country, law enforcement link the decriminalization of drugs to the increase in violent attacks on law enforcement,” said the study.


Such factors have “had the effect of ‘de-policing’ in law enforcement agencies across the country, which assailants have exploited.”

The report cited an example in which an officer was slammed to the ground and beaten but refused to shoot the assailant “for fear of community backlash.”

“The officer informed the superintendent that the officer chose not to shoot because the officer didn’t want his/her ‘family or department to have to go through the scrutiny the next day on the national news,’ ” the study said.

Imho, again, having dwelled in this world for many years, this sort of thing wont change until people open up their eyes to the real root cause of crime-ridden, dysfunctional neighborhoods where cops, almost as a matter of survival, have to view teens as a potential threat; It certainly isnt because these kids are inferior or inherently bad or because the cops are necessarily racist or inherently prone to violating peoples rights. In a way, the cops and the kids are both victims of a bigger, more sinister problem, a system that ostensibly was put in place to help them, but ultimately made them slaves living in a recurring cycle of dependence, insecurity and hatred. 

In simple terms, look who has been governing towns like Baltimore, Chicago and NYC in the 90's....its not rocket science. 

Well there it is. Watts...from '65.  So it cant be fixed, too complicated....lets just move on. 

Multiply that thinking by 1000's and we have Chicago, Baltimore et al. Cant be the system and the people who benefit from it.