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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 18:05:05 GMT -5
The only Prince who has been mentioned is the Royal from UK. From yestidaze Times Oh wow ok, he wasn’t listed on any of the logs etc.
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Post by shakin on Aug 13, 2019 19:21:13 GMT -5
Oh wow ok, he wasn’t listed on any of the logs etc. "conspiracy!!!"
am i doing this right?
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 13, 2019 19:40:28 GMT -5
Oh wow ok, he wasn’t listed on any of the logs etc. Told you you were lying again. In Epstein's document dump another girl said she had to fuck a prince. She didnt know who he was though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 20:07:57 GMT -5
Oh wow ok, he wasn’t listed on any of the logs etc. "conspiracy!!!"
am i doing this right?
MBS is a young power hungry Prince who has shown he is ruthless, nothing would shock me when it comes to him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 20:08:56 GMT -5
Oh wow ok, he wasn’t listed on any of the logs etc. Told you you were lying again. In Epstein's document dump another girl said she had to fuck a prince. She didnt know who he was though. You sure it wasn’t Rogers Nelson?
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Post by Jetworks on Aug 13, 2019 20:13:06 GMT -5
I can buy that he hung himself with his bed sheets but I cant buy that the guards didnt notice it. So did they help him or did they just not give a fuck. Ask Jetworks he has all the answers. Wow, why so sour, Sally? Ask Jetworks he has all the answers. I dont think he would describe himself like that but given his experience in law enforcement he would qualify as an "expert witness" for the sake of this discussion. Thank you for that. As I said originally, there was either a complete and utter breakdown in everything (unlikely), or there was some level of conspiratorial pushing to facilitate Epstein's death; by his hand or at the hand(s) of someone else is for you to decide. But I can unequivocally state that this "just happened" because of understaffing/OT/faulty equipment/etc is complete and utter bullshit, especially with what is arguably the highest profile criminal in Federal custody, after having once already attempted suicide. Want to keep an open mind, go right ahead; but not to the point your brain tumbles out of your skull, especially if you're already in LE. Put those critical thinking skills and really suss this out a bit before saying "nothing to see here, let's wait for the facts." Bitch, your job is to get the facts. Predictably, 2 COs and the Warden are taking the hit...for now. Pretty sure I said that would happen too. Middle managers are where the focus of the investigation will shift next if I'm right. Smart play involves a supervisor giving some lawful orders that subordinates have to follow, but allows for some grey plausible deniability.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 20:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by Jetworks on Aug 13, 2019 20:37:33 GMT -5
I really don't think anyone is debating that there is a staffing problem, escalating violence, or anything else mentioned here. But if you are willing to accept that the BOP, the Warden of MCC, and any other staff assigned to that command were treating Epstein the same as prisoner XYZ when it comes to those issues, you're either a hopeless apologist or disturbingly naive. Considering you're in LE, I'm hoping it's just the former.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 20:40:11 GMT -5
I really don't think anyone is debating that there is a staffing problem, escalating violence, or anything else mentioned here. But if you are willing to accept that the BOP, the Warden of MCC, and any other staff assigned to that command were treating Epstein the same as prisoner XYZ when it comes to those issues, you're either a hopeless apologist or disturbingly naive. Considering you're in LE, I'm hoping it's just the former. All I know is what has been reported and they were not checking in on him. One of the persons assigned was a fill in and not an actual CO. The Shrink will be on the hot seat the Dr signed off on him not being suicidal. Let’s get one thing straight you were a corrections officer, not any type of investigator.
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Post by Trades on Aug 14, 2019 7:53:27 GMT -5
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Post by Jetworks on Aug 14, 2019 8:25:53 GMT -5
I really don't think anyone is debating that there is a staffing problem, escalating violence, or anything else mentioned here. But if you are willing to accept that the BOP, the Warden of MCC, and any other staff assigned to that command were treating Epstein the same as prisoner XYZ when it comes to those issues, you're either a hopeless apologist or disturbingly naive. Considering you're in LE, I'm hoping it's just the former. All I know is what has been reported and they were not checking in on him. One of the persons assigned was a fill in and not an actual CO. The Shrink will be on the hot seat the Dr signed off on him not being suicidal. Let’s get one thing straight you were a corrections officer, not any type of investigator. So now we have evidence(?) that there were purposeful actions taken that, given the notoriety of the perp and his past suicidal actions, run counter-intuitive to pretty much anything anyone who has ever guarded a prisoner (or suicidal patient), and somehow that will sate your inquisitive, LE-driven mind? Again, naive at best. Just an FYI, most 'investigators' and cops suck at the custody part, dangerously so. Please stop making things personal where I'm concerned. I'm getting the sense that your declarative statement about my service is yet another attempt to show someone your resource prowess. That's a slippery slope.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 9:10:28 GMT -5
All I know is what has been reported and they were not checking in on him. One of the persons assigned was a fill in and not an actual CO. The Shrink will be on the hot seat the Dr signed off on him not being suicidal. Let’s get one thing straight you were a corrections officer, not any type of investigator. So now we have evidence(?) that there were purposeful actions taken that, given the notoriety of the perp and his past suicidal actions, run counter-intuitive to pretty much anything anyone who has ever guarded a prisoner (or suicidal patient), and somehow that will sate your inquisitive, LE-driven mind? Again, naive at best. Just an FYI, most 'investigators' and cops suck at the custody part, dangerously so. Please stop making things personal where I'm concerned. I'm getting the sense that your declarative statement about my service is yet another attempt to show someone your resource prowess. That's a slippery slope. Oh now you do not want to get personal? You may want to go look at a few of your recent posts. Without the police/investigators there would not be a need for the jails/prisons. You get that right? And as far as the predictions, it is the standard if it wasn’t an conspiracy it was the incompetence of the workers really is not insightful.
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Post by Trades on Aug 14, 2019 9:35:18 GMT -5
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Post by Jetworks on Aug 14, 2019 10:09:48 GMT -5
So now we have evidence(?) that there were purposeful actions taken that, given the notoriety of the perp and his past suicidal actions, run counter-intuitive to pretty much anything anyone who has ever guarded a prisoner (or suicidal patient), and somehow that will sate your inquisitive, LE-driven mind? Again, naive at best. Just an FYI, most 'investigators' and cops suck at the custody part, dangerously so. Please stop making things personal where I'm concerned. I'm getting the sense that your declarative statement about my service is yet another attempt to show someone your resource prowess. That's a slippery slope. Oh now you do not want to get personal? You may want to go look at a few of your recent posts. Without the police/investigators there would not be a need for the jails/prisons. You get that right? And as far as the predictions, it is the standard if it wasn’t an conspiracy it was the incompetence of the workers really is not insightful. Calling you naive, obtuse, or something in that vein is hardly 'personal', especially where this site is concerned. Additionally, if you DO find those things so personally triggering, perhaps it's time for you to, you'll appreciate this, find another platform from which to proclaim your views? Furthermore, taking the time to use official resources (no denial I noticed) to pull up info on (mostly) anonymous, random strangers on the Internet goes past the kind of personal you feel is tete a tete. If you don't recognize that, again perhaps you need some kind of break from this place. Asking that you refrain from that kind of personal is a non-confrontational request and one framed in the interest of civility and respect for personal boundaries, so please honor it accordingly. And without bad guys there wouldn't be a need for either. You really are argumentative for the sake of it lately. Seriously. Worker incompetence. "Hey Cleetus, ain't this the guy who tried to off himself a coupl'a weeks ago? And he's the one them papers are talkin' about too, right? Guess I don' hafta worry about him too much while I grab some shut eye, boy howdy."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 10:27:25 GMT -5
Oh now you do not want to get personal? You may want to go look at a few of your recent posts. Without the police/investigators there would not be a need for the jails/prisons. You get that right? And as far as the predictions, it is the standard if it wasn’t an conspiracy it was the incompetence of the workers really is not insightful. Calling you naive, obtuse, or something in that vein is hardly 'personal', especially where this site is concerned. Additionally, if you DO find those things so personally triggering, perhaps it's time for you to, you'll appreciate this, find another platform from which to proclaim your views? Furthermore, taking the time to use official resources (no denial I noticed) to pull up info on (mostly) anonymous, random strangers on the Internet goes past the kind of personal you feel is tete a tete. If you don't recognize that, again perhaps you need some kind of break from this place. Asking that you refrain from that kind of personal is a non-confrontational request and one framed in the interest of civility and respect for personal boundaries, so please honor it accordingly. And without bad guys there wouldn't be a need for either. You really are argumentative for the sake of it lately. Seriously. Worker incompetence. "Hey Billy, ain't this the guy who tried to off himself a coupl'a weeks ago? And he's the one them papers are talkin' about too, right? Guess I don' hafta worry about him too much while I grab some shut eye, boy howdy." You are out of your fucking mind if you think I would ever use or need to use anything from official resources. That is way the fuck out of line. Not triggered at all, i could care less just pointing out the obvious, just like pointing out I am not complaining about the platform just your hypocritical bs. Without bad guys? That is your counter point? As for Epstein, he was a sick fuck, but obviously pretty damn smart and a master manipulator who was being housed by a bunch of overworked people who did not care about his well being until it was too late.
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