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Post by Paradis on Dec 30, 2016 13:15:53 GMT -5
Can't wait, for monday.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 30, 2016 12:51:49 GMT -5
Damn.. I didn't hear McGlinchey was staying. Was this something he decided a while ago?... maybe he chances his mind. He's virtually the only high ranked lineman i like, outside of Lamp if you're on board with him. He's been saying it all along. One of the reasons why I've never watched any of his tape and I honestly have no opinion of him. I do know that most people have him ranked as the top Olineman if he entered. Even more reason for him to declare!
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Post by Paradis on Dec 30, 2016 1:30:31 GMT -5
Hopefully the irony drops him another round and we snatch him up because those are the rounds to draft knuckleheads like him with that potential. I've only watched him a couple of times but he looks so fluid and is a natural pass catcher with great size. I also think he'll have a great combine. Who knows. Higbee smashed someone's dome in, and still went early enough. Crime is "meh" at the moment. Domestic violence is all the rave. Damn.. I didn't hear McGlinchey was staying. Was this something he decided a while ago?... maybe he chances his mind. He's virtually the only high ranked lineman i like, outside of Lamp if you're on board with him.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 30, 2016 1:24:11 GMT -5
What do you think of TE Gerald Everett out of South Alabama? He's an athletic small school TE. I figured he'd be one of your late to mid round favorites. From what I've been able to see, I like him a lot. More than Wes Saxton. IMO however he's a slice below the bigger program guys; Sprinkle, Howard, Butt, Ingram, Hodges... (haven't watched enough Njoku)
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 22:11:16 GMT -5
if you could pick 4 players on this team to suddenly be the "Best" version of themselves -- who would it be?
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 21:21:51 GMT -5
I hate to say it - but you're reply works utterly against you. You picked examples of QBs who sucked. All of them... AND on top of this, not of them we're redshirted by the time OTAs wrapped up and stayed that way when 3 QBs went down. 3 QBs. Why on earth would you pretend this is a good thing? There's two issues here. Hacks development (TBD cross your fingers, toes and balls) and the decision to invest in zeppelin on fire. The latter IS being glossed over by posters like yourself. This post doesnt work against me at all. I don't have an opinion on whether he will succeed or fail because he hasnt played unlike you who have already formed an opinion. You may be right or wrong but all of those QB's were redshirted their first year and ours was redshirted BY DESIGN, on purpose so it matters not that the other QB's got hurt. NONE of them took a live snap the entire season, end of story. I didnt say it's a good thing or bad thing. In fact what I said would be poor planning to put this QB behind a porous Oline. If you think that's a good plan then well that says how bad you would like to see him fail. I said forming opinions in a vacuum is stupid and it still is. Posters like you are just so used to losing that pointing out negatives are second nature and it's hard to be optimistic after so many years of abuse. You are speculating that he will fail and I am saying that he just might but if he has any chance at all it won't be behind this current line. See the difference now? Why is this going over your head? I feel like you're deliberately ignoring the point. Hackenburg is a Jet. Maybe he works out, maybe he doesn't. No one knows for sure. Evidence is weighing heavily against him, but he's a jet so we'll see where it goes. the problem is with the "BY DESIGN" that you so eloquently caps'ed on me. That's a shit design. Pure shit. All this isn't about being sure that Hack doesn't work out. It's about decision making. It's about decision making. It's about decision making. It's about decision making. It's about decision making. It's about decision making. It's about decision making. It's about decision making. It's about decision making. It's about decision making. Are we getting anywhere yet brah? It's about decision making. We spent a top 50 pick on a player who was shit in college. And by design -- is a polite way of saying; he's shit. But we spent a lot on him, and many of you begin asking when is going to start. The answer is "awhile" because he's shitty right now. By design.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 20:07:38 GMT -5
How about something positive? I'm keeping my list somewhat skewed towards jets needs. 1) D. Cook... predictable2) M. Williams... ditto3) Q. Wilson CB... because, Jets. I expect us to defy logic and take another defensive player. You're a UF fan, right? How do you like Wilson compared to Tabor? Right now I'm leaning towards Wilson, but Tabor is more of a gambler and could be more a game changer. Indeed, Gator fan. Honestly, has there been a bad UF corner in the last decade?... You could draft all Gators on defense and probably be OK for you batting average. I with you. Tabor's got some smooth operator mojo going on, but i love Wilson natural/instinctive style of play. He's got a great hips too (no homo)
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 18:40:52 GMT -5
Been a real downer here the last couple weeks. Arguing over Hackenburg (if you'd told me that a year ago i'd have laughed), frustration over the Brass, franchise players mailing it in...
How about something positive? I'm keeping my list somewhat skewed towards jets needs.
1) D. Cook... predictable 2) M. Williams... ditto 3) Q. Wilson CB... because, Jets. I expect us to defy logic and take another defensive player. 4) T. McKinley, (OLB UCLA)... probably my favorite pass rusher 5) L. Fournette... injury concerns knock him down a peg 6) M. McGinley (OT, ND) 7) OJ Howard, (TE) 8) C. Davis (WR, W. Mich)... baller 9) A. Jackson, (CB) 10) F. Lamp (OT, wku) 11) E. Ingram (TE) 11) T. Williams (OLB)... still love 'im 12) Q. Nelson (OG ND) 13) J. Sprinkle (TE) 14) J. Hurd (RB/?)... still love me some Jalen 15) K. Hunt (RB, Toledo)
Unsurprisingly there's a heavy emphasis on Offense. We're so fucking old crotchety there.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 18:20:45 GMT -5
I hate that this topic always gets reduced to the "idea" of writing him off. No one's writing him off. Not yet... He's NFL career couldn't possible have started off any worse -- or maybe unsurprising -- as it did. My point, or at least the reason I drew attention to that snippet - is because it's not normal. This whole thing is fucked up, and we're all glossing over it because "hey, let the kid develop"... He was a top 50 pick. TOP 50. What GM in 21st century is allowed to blow a top 50 pick on a project to be redshirted? If Hackenburg's career was as impressive as Jaylon Smith's - we wouldn't be having this conversation. Except his was opposite. top 50. You do realize that he isnt the QB picked in the first 2 rounds that didnt play the first year? A total of 48 quarterbacks have been drafted in the first two rounds of the NFL draft since 2004. There are a number of others but I didnt include them because they threw a few passes in their rookie year. An overwhelming number of them have but there are a few exceptions and they are quite the cast of characters....lol even another Jet is on that short list, my point is it's happened before. - Kellen Clemens
- Brian Brohm
- Jimmy Clausen
- JASON CAMPBELL
- KEVIN KOLB
- PAT WHITE
I dont think people are glossing it over, I just think that many of us see that sticking this kid in behind this line isnt a recipe for success. Even when I reviewed the other 42 QB's that were drafted in the first two rounds and actually played a few games each of them had at least one pro-bowler on the O-line in front of them. I'm not saying this kid isnt going to be a bust but viewing it in a vacuum just isnt taking everything else into consideration. I hate to say it - but you're reply works utterly against you. You picked examples of QBs who sucked. All of them... AND on top of this, not of them we're redshirted by the time OTAs wrapped up and stayed that way when 3 QBs went down. 3 QBs. Why on earth would you pretend this is a good thing? There's two issues here. Hacks development (TBD cross your fingers, toes and balls) and the decision to invest in zeppelin on fire. The latter IS being glossed over by posters like yourself.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 16:23:34 GMT -5
You can officially scratch Luke Falk off your mock offseason. Kid is going back to Wazu for another year. A little risky, but I can appreciate that. He's got enough fans in the war room that i think he would have caught fire the closer we got to the draft. Next year, he's going to have to stand out more so if he wants to be looked at near the top... then again, anything can happen in the next 12 months.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 16:08:39 GMT -5
Darnold, Falk and Rosen in 2018. Go with Hackenberg and Petty next year and if we still need a QB our record will be shit, and we pick one of those. Hopefully Darnold. Don't forget Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen as well. It will be a loaded QB class next season. Totally. The question is do we have the integrity as a franchise to survive another year with petty/Hackenberg? We're in a really crummy situation at the moment. If we spend on a glennon caliber QB, it'll be hard/impossible to see us drafting a QB high unless there's new management. Big it's also hard to imagine Macc sticking to his guns with the two QBs he's drafted. May as well show himself the door in that instance
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 13:27:18 GMT -5
Which is fine... well not fine, but you what know mean. Live and learn... I'm calling for the learn part though. It may not be realistic, but I want Macc to stand up and in some manner say - my bad. Otherwise, I'm to believe he's still steeped in his own ego. Look, I'm not going to get into a pissing match, because you probably are right, and Hackenberg is probably going to be a huge bust and will probably eventually get the GM fired. Still, don't you think it's just a little bit silly to expect him to come out and say "my bad" on the pick before the guy ever even takes a snap from center in a regular-season NFL game? And, if you don't mean it literally, what do you suppose he should do? Release him on Jan. 2? I totally don't expect it... but the difference in him saying "He's not where we want him to be, and we're going to have to take another look at how we're doing things" is a possibility. It does happen in the industry from time to time. That would mean the WORLD to some and honestly? Buy him patience and leash.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 12:36:14 GMT -5
I hate that this topic always gets reduced to the "idea" of writing him off. No one's writing him off. Not yet... He's NFL career couldn't possible have started off any worse -- or maybe unsurprising -- as it did. My point, or at least the reason I drew attention to that snippet - is because it's not normal. This whole thing is fucked up, and we're all glossing over it because "hey, let the kid develop"... He was a top 50 pick. TOP 50. What GM in 21st century is allowed to blow a top 50 pick on a project to be redshirted? If Hackenburg's career was as impressive as Jaylon Smith's - we wouldn't be having this conversation. Except his was opposite. top 50. If you go back to a discussion we had at the beginning of the season about Hack, I had mentioned that I believed that Maccagnan and his talent evaluators were way off on their assessment of Hack when they drafted him. Once in camp and in pads, Hack wasn't nearly as game ready as they believed he was prior to the draft. Maccagnan was duped by some good work outs in shorts and no defenders. Which is fine... well not fine, but you what know mean. Live and learn... I'm calling for the learn part though. It may not be realistic, but I want Macc to stand up and in some manner say - my bad. Otherwise, I'm to believe he's still steeped in his own ego.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 12:34:38 GMT -5
I hate that this topic always gets reduced to the "idea" of writing him off. No one's writing him off. Not yet... He's NFL career couldn't possible have started off any worse -- or maybe unsurprising -- as it did. My point, or at least the reason I drew attention to that snippet - is because it's not normal. This whole thing is fucked up, and we're all glossing over it because "hey, let the kid develop"... He was a top 50 pick. TOP 50. What GM in 21st century is allowed to blow a top 50 pick on a project to be redshirted? If Hackenburg's career was as impressive as Jaylon Smith's - we wouldn't be having this conversation. Except his was opposite. top 50. Assuming Hack does not get in the game this weekend, he will be the 3rd 2nd round QB since 2000 to get a "redshirt" season. The other two: Brian Brohm of the Packers in 2008 and Drew Stanton of the Lions in 2007. Not sure what that means in the context of Hack, but your comment made me curious to see if it had been done and by whom. And we can see how much those "development redshirt" years paid off for both of them, hey? Anyway, we're just days away from turning the page. Can't come fast enough.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 29, 2016 1:43:22 GMT -5
this would be the game of games for an impromptu hampurcon lol
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