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Post by southside on Jan 14, 2015 13:27:46 GMT -5
Bowles is going to run a mistake free, conservative offense. He's going to bank on his defense keeping him in the game and the offense doing just enough to win it and certainly a whole lot to not lose it. In my opinion, that's the way this team needs to run with what we have at QB. We have talent at WR since the Harvin trade. We have a solid run game. We have a TE that has loads of potential. What we don't have is a QB that can sling the football all around the field to the tune of 4500 yards a season.
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Since Bowles is a coach that has played this game at the highest level (won a Super Bowl), has proven to be a coach that isn't married to any particular system, and has been praised for coaching around the talent he has I feel like he's going to bring in other coaches that have the same approach. From the sounds of it, Gailey has the same coaching style. Say what you want about his tenure as the Bills HC, but his offense went from one of the worst in the league to better than middle of the pack in points per game. And from what I can recall there were times that Ryan Fitzpatrick would be driving down the field at will in that offense. And based on how his entire philosophy is based around stretching the field I'd welcome that change here. The last 10 years has been atrocious offense with confused WRs running the same routes in the same part of the field, terribly executed screen plays, the wild cat, and a myriad of mind bungling mistakes that I don't care to relive at the moment.
What I'm trying to convey here is that I think Bowles is a guy that is going to be aggressive on defense and look for his offense to play it straight. No gimmicks, just hard nosed football. If you ask me, that's pretty much the blueprint of the Arians Cardinals. I'd say it's been a pretty successful blue print as well because I'd categorize the Seahawks the same way. They play line em up football on offense and defense. It works. Not everyone has the high flying offenses that bring the praise of today's NFL Media heads. Hell, one of the most prolific offenses in the last 6+ years has been the NO Saints with Drew Brees and they looked like absolute dog shit this year. In fact they lead the league in yards per game. Didn't help them at all. I still think the best way to win in the NFL is to play great defense and have an offense that can run the football, play mistake free, and complete passes down field in the 10-20 yard range consistently. That might sound a bit obvious but when you look at teams like Seattle and Dallas you see the blue print. I know it sounds funny, but Dallas took the offense out of Romo's hands and they actually competed like a Super Bowl team. Hell, Seattle was ranked the 6 worst passing offense based on yards per game (we were dead last in case you were wondering) but they completed the ball well in the 10-20+ yard range (11th in 20+ yard completions) and they barely turned the ball over. Essentially, eating up game clock while having sustainable drives that result in points on the board. I think that's what Bowles wants and I think Chan Gailey is capable of running that type of offense.
Good team football wins games. Here's to hoping that's what Todd Bowles is bringing with him to the Jets.
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Post by Peebag on Jan 14, 2015 22:46:19 GMT -5
Need a qb - don't matter how good the coaches are. Until we get one - we're sunk.
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Post by thebigragu on Jan 14, 2015 22:48:02 GMT -5
Need a qb - don't matter how good the coaches are. Until we get one - we're sunk. end thread. |
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Post by Conkboy on Jan 15, 2015 8:31:17 GMT -5
I think they bring in Ryan Mallet in FA... Could be a several year stop gap until we can firm up this position...
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Post by Yankees45 on Jan 15, 2015 21:22:37 GMT -5
We suck , Lombardi can't even win in this shit . Roster sucks Bowles will be out of here cause the roster is horrible just like Rex. And you can't run a conservative offense with a fuck up at qb and a shit oline and fuckin pop Warner bench players at corner.
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Post by i against i on Jan 15, 2015 21:35:13 GMT -5
We suck , Lombardi can't even win in this shit . Roster sucks Bowles will be out of here cause the roster is horrible just like Rex. And you can't run a conservative offense with a fuck up at qb and a shit oline and fuckin pop Warner bench players at corner. Dude the season's over. Let's focus on winning the offseason. Fucking Pop Warner bench players will be playing for the Brooklyn Brawlers in Coney soon enough. |
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Post by Hotman on Jan 15, 2015 23:05:45 GMT -5
We suck , Lombardi can't even win in this shit . Roster sucks Bowles will be out of here cause the roster is horrible just like Rex. And you can't run a conservative offense with a fuck up at qb and a shit oline and fuckin pop Warner bench players at corner. Well damn us to hell! If only we wouldve hired an experienced personnel scouting guru type GM to bring decent players into the building. shit. |
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Post by Redlichtie on Jan 16, 2015 15:28:01 GMT -5
This is bullshit
Seriously tho good OP I actually think you'll be surprised at our offense.It went totally unnoticed in the end of season maelstrom but Geno and the O carried the team in Miami....defense has imploded since Pettine left and o is slowly getting the sh!t together
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 16, 2015 15:30:36 GMT -5
Need a qb - don't matter how good the coaches are. Until we get one - we're sunk. Agreed. Rex got to 4 wins, maybe Bowles would have gotten us to 5? Vince Lombardi gets that roster to no more than 7. It's simply a fact. Coaching has been probably the 4th or 5th problem on a long list of deficiencies that include lack of a QB, lack of secondary talent, and lack of offensive playmakers. |
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Post by southside on Jan 16, 2015 17:01:02 GMT -5
Need a qb - don't matter how good the coaches are. Until we get one - we're sunk. Agreed. Rex got to 4 wins, maybe Bowles would have gotten us to 5? Vince Lombardi gets that roster to no more than 7. It's simply a fact. Coaching has been probably the 4th or 5th problem on a long list of deficiencies that include lack of a QB, lack of secondary talent, and lack of offensive playmakers. See, I disagree with this. I've personally seen our coaching cost us 4 games this season. The GB game, why is Geno throwing in that situation in the redzone at the end of the half about to go up 28-3? We were running it down their throats. It was a high risk play that didn't need to be made at the time and it was like someone shot the wheels out of the car and we drove that jalopy through the end of the season dragging and scraping metal. Way too many terrible play calls, the phantom TO? I think coaching was problem #2. The difference was our quality personnel couldn't mask the mistakes anymore. And as regards our defense I've been saying for the last few years it was all blow hard bullshit talk. At one point we were awesome. Then for the last 4 season we couldn't stop anyone on 3rd down. Couldn't stop anyone on their last drive of a game to prevent a game winning drive. Couldn't get turnovers. It was a joke. Rex talked it up, sure. But that defense was a paper tiger for a long time. So I agree with the sentiment about the defense going down hill. I think we had 1 awesome year with Rex and that was because Kris Jenkins was so beastly and Revis was otherworldly. Once Jenkins knees gave out and teams just threw it towards the side of the field that #24 wasn't we just pooped the bed. |
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Post by Hotman on Jan 16, 2015 17:33:52 GMT -5
I loved Kris Jenkins. One of my top favorite Jets.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 18:04:32 GMT -5
Bowles is going to run a mistake free, conservative offense. He's going to bank on his defense keeping him in the game and the offense doing just enough to win it and certainly a whole lot to not lose it. In my opinion, that's the way this team needs to run with what we have at QB. We have talent at WR since the Harvin trade. We have a solid run game. We have a TE that has loads of potential. What we don't have is a QB that can sling the football all around the field to the tune of 4500 yards a season. SO.... Since Bowles is a coach that has played this game at the highest level (won a Super Bowl), has proven to be a coach that isn't married to any particular system, and has been praised for coaching around the talent he has I feel like he's going to bring in other coaches that have the same approach. From the sounds of it, Gailey has the same coaching style. Say what you want about his tenure as the Bills HC, but his offense went from one of the worst in the league to better than middle of the pack in points per game. And from what I can recall there were times that Ryan Fitzpatrick would be driving down the field at will in that offense. And based on how his entire philosophy is based around stretching the field I'd welcome that change here. The last 10 years has been atrocious offense with confused WRs running the same routes in the same part of the field, terribly executed screen plays, the wild cat, and a myriad of mind bungling mistakes that I don't care to relive at the moment. What I'm trying to convey here is that I think Bowles is a guy that is going to be aggressive on defense and look for his offense to play it straight. No gimmicks, just hard nosed football. If you ask me, that's pretty much the blueprint of the Arians Cardinals. I'd say it's been a pretty successful blue print as well because I'd categorize the Seahawks the same way. They play line em up football on offense and defense. It works. Not everyone has the high flying offenses that bring the praise of today's NFL Media heads. Hell, one of the most prolific offenses in the last 6+ years has been the NO Saints with Drew Brees and they looked like absolute dog shit this year. In fact they lead the league in yards per game. Didn't help them at all. I still think the best way to win in the NFL is to play great defense and have an offense that can run the football, play mistake free, and complete passes down field in the 10-20 yard range consistently. That might sound a bit obvious but when you look at teams like Seattle and Dallas you see the blue print. I know it sounds funny, but Dallas took the offense out of Romo's hands and they actually competed like a Super Bowl team. Hell, Seattle was ranked the 6 worst passing offense based on yards per game (we were dead last in case you were wondering) but they completed the ball well in the 10-20+ yard range (11th in 20+ yard completions) and they barely turned the ball over. Essentially, eating up game clock while having sustainable drives that result in points on the board. I think that's what Bowles wants and I think Chan Gailey is capable of running that type of offense. Good team football wins games. Here's to hoping that's what Todd Bowles is bringing with him to the Jets. If you put as much effort into getting laid as you did this you would have aids. |
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 16, 2015 18:06:51 GMT -5
This sounds like advocating for Rex's system just far better executed.
Comparing Dallas, Arizona and Seattle doesn't tell a lot:
Seattle was great on defense as well as very solid passing with a rushing game leaps and bounds above everybody else. They dominated on all sides of the game.
Dallas had the #2 rushing offense and although they made a small number of passing attempts they were extremely accurate with lots of long completions. Dallas was mediocre at defense. They largely won by outscoring and using the rush on offense to manage the clock but you can't discount the importance of their passing game to opening up the run.
Arizona was unremarkable in every way but they had a terrible passing game. They had to account for it elsewhere but they don't have the playmakers that either Dallas or Seattle enjoy. Their system was closest to what Rex wanted to do by covering up a shaky passing game with rushing and tough defensive play.
Although I disagree with the comparisons I do agree that we will see Bowles institute a team strategy similar to Arizona rather than try to build a high score, shoot 'em up offense.
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Post by JB1089 on Jan 16, 2015 20:35:11 GMT -5
You think Arizona's offense was built around running the ball? Did you actually watch any of their games? The Cardinals were one of the most pass heavy teams in the league. Ryan Lindley, RYAN LINDLEY, who is terrible beyond words, started 2 games in the regular season, throwing 44 passes in one and 39 passes in the other. Bruce Arians is not about running the football (that's why Pittsburgh got rid of him, they wanted to re-establish their traditional identity as a running team). The only ran the ball as much as they did in the playoff game because of how bad Lindley was. Palmer didn't even make it through 6 full games this year, but he was throwing almost 40 times per game when he was in there.
People see a good defense and assume that said team must also have a strong running game. Arizona shows that you can have a "hard-nosed" defense and still throw the ball all over the place.
That said, I don't expect Bowles to come in here and try to recreate Arians' offense. I just hope to never here the phrase "ground and pound" again unless it's being used in an ironic manner. Rex can take that 1960s mindset with him up to Buffalo.
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Post by southside on Jan 16, 2015 20:40:29 GMT -5
You think Arizona's offense was built around running the ball? Did you actually watch any of their games? The Cardinals were one of the most pass heavy teams in the league. Ryan Lindley, RYAN LINDLEY, who is terrible beyond words, started 2 games in the regular season, throwing 44 passes in one and 39 passes in the other. Bruce Arians is not about running the football (that's why Pittsburgh got rid of him, they wanted to re-establish their traditional identity as a running team). The only ran the ball as much as they did in the playoff game because of how bad Lindley was. Palmer didn't even make it through 6 full games this year, but he was throwing almost 40 times per game when he was in there. People see a good defense and assume that said team must also have a strong running game. Arizona shows that you can have a "hard-nosed" defense and still throw the ball all over the place. That said, I don't expect Bowles to come in here and try to recreate Arians' offense. I just hope to never here the phrase "ground and pound" again unless it's being used in an ironic manner. Rex can take that 1960s mindset with him up to Buffalo. I don't know if this is directed at me but I wasn't insinuating that Arizona was a run heavy team. I meant more in the way that they carry themselves and execute their plays, its not gimmicky it's good hard nosed football. I didn't know that Arians had Lindley throwing the football that much but unless you're talking about them trying to get back into a football game I'd say that was a terrible game plan. Hopefully Bowles doesn't bring that with him lol. |
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