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Post by Paradis on Jan 15, 2015 15:21:06 GMT -5
Shane Ray is a realistic probability for the jets at this point I know that. My point was that all of the optimism and positive thoughts people are having about Bowles and MacCagnan can turn very quickley once these guys start doing their jobs. Oh yea I hear ya. I was saying that because it always works out that way, doesn't it? Somehow in yet another draft that is well stocked with offensive talent, we're in a position where Shane Ray is the best pick. Sigh.
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Post by vicmill on Jan 15, 2015 15:22:00 GMT -5
Its a nice award and I'm optimistic with Bowles but his success as a DC is not that much of an indicator of his success as head coach. It is a completely different skill set and involves different competencies. There are hot OCs and DCs and position coaches every year. There is an Assistant Coach of the Year every year. Some of them make great head coaches, some make mediocre head coaches and some make lousy head coaches.
Just in recent memory off the top of my head ... Chan Gailey, Norv Turner, Mangini, McDaniels, Sparano, Philbin to name a few. All stars and hot names as coordinators or posiiton coaches, but failures or very spotty records thus far as head coaches. Then you have your John Harbaughs, Mike McCarthys and Bruce Arians of the world who have had great success. The second group was no more highly thought of than the first group, each one of them had great names like Parcells, Wolf or Casserly saying great things about them and their fan base was probably as excited about their guy as most of us are about our guy. So basically, its wait and see ... did we get a Norv Turner or a John Harbaugh? Hopefully we'll have some fun finding out.
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 15, 2015 15:34:36 GMT -5
We definitely won the pre-super bowl hiring super bowl.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jan 15, 2015 17:20:28 GMT -5
I'm fine with Bowles. I'm just saying that it's extremely difficult to say this guy will be better than that guy because you just don't know what these guys will do once they get into the job. Fair enough, just thought you was not keen with the over blitzing comment. How many people absolutely loved every move and even no move by Idzik. Talked glowingly over his "plan". How ow fast did that talk change, weeks?
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Post by Hotman on Jan 15, 2015 17:25:04 GMT -5
Fair enough, just thought you was not keen with the over blitzing comment. How many people absolutely loved every move and even no move by Idzik. Talked glowingly over his "plan". How ow fast did that talk change, weeks? When his 2nd FA came around, a lot of people got VERY worried. But we tried to give him benefit of doubt... Maybe he's got a plan with all these 12 picks in the deepest WR draft in history!! May he be eaten alive by fire ants.
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Post by jets19 on Jan 15, 2015 21:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 11:32:52 GMT -5
How many people absolutely loved every move and even no move by Idzik. Talked glowingly over his "plan". How ow fast did that talk change, weeks? When his 2nd FA came around, a lot of people got VERY worried. But we tried to give him benefit of doubt... Maybe he's got a plan with all these 12 picks in the deepest WR draft in history!! May he be eaten alive by fire ants. I fucking HATE, and I mean HATE, John Fucking Idzik with a passion!!!!
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 16, 2015 12:35:47 GMT -5
Would anyone trade in Bowles for Quinn at this point? Who knows at this point? It's all puppy dogs and rainbows right now. Wait till Maccagnan drafts Shane Ray in the first and Bowles gets beat by blitzing too much in week one and I am sure people will be screaming for Quinn.
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Post by mogglez on Jan 16, 2015 16:41:36 GMT -5
Saw this video. I truly think this guy, when it's all said and done, will be one of the best hires we've ever made. I was big on Quinn after it became clear we had no interest in Marrone (didn't really want him either) but had concerns that he would be learning on the fly and how much I'd he actually responsible for in Seattle. The last few weeks I wanted Bowles more than any other candidate. His 2-1 stint as an interim Head Coach is a large reason for that. He's done nothing but get me even more hyped about what can be built here since we've made it official.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 19, 2015 12:00:42 GMT -5
Todd Bowles receives the Bill Parcells stamp of approval
By Rich Cimini | ESPN.com
The old coach was in a grouchy mood Wednesday. His phone was blowing up with calls from reporters looking for insight on one of his protégés, Todd Bowles, the new coach of the New York Jets.
Bill Parcells counted 15 messages on his phone. When you're retired, living in Florida and playing a lot of golf, the last thing you want to do is talk to 15 reporters, answering the same questions over and over. Who can blame the man?
But the Hall of Fame coach called back because of his affinity for Bowles.
"I have a high regard for Todd," Parcells said. "I think he's a very experienced coach now. He has a lot of experience coaching in different situations. He was a heady player, having coached against him. I've had direct contact with him in several different places as a coach. He's a highly intelligent guy and I think he'll do well."
That was it. There were no sentimental anecdotes from the coach, no "I knew he could do it" quotes. That's not the Parcells way.
His highest form of praise is wanting you on his side. When Parcells invites you into his circle of trust (pardon the De Niro line), well, that means more than a bunch of fancy quotes in an article. Back in the day, they used to be known as Parcells Guys (or Tuna helpers), a tribe of assistant coaches that followed him from team to team.
Bowles belonged to that select fraternity; he was a made man. He was with Parcells on the final three stops of Parcells' coaching life.
He coached the secondary for the Jets in 2000, when Parcells ran the football operation.
He coached the secondary for the Dallas Cowboys from 2005 to 2007, when Parcells returned to coaching.
He was the assistant head coach of the Miami Dolphins from 2008 to 2011, when Parcells was the franchise's football czar.
These weren't coincidences. It takes a certain kind of coach to last that long in Parcells' world; you need thick skin and a strong will, and Bowles displayed those qualities. Now he's back with the team that gave him his first NFL coaching job, hoping to lift it out of a four-year funk.
"Todd is definitely ready to be a head coach," said former Jets cornerback Ray Mickens, a member of the 2000 team. "I think he'll be a good fit for New York. I was sorry to see Rex [Ryan] go -- he's one of the better coaches in the NFL -- but I understand that sometimes you need a change."
Bowles was 37 years old when he was first hired by the Jets, only a few years older than some of the players. It was a veteran team, with a secondary that included Mickens, Aaron Glenn, Victor Green and Marcus Coleman. They were set in their ways, and in came this newbie coach.
It could've been a bad fit. It wasn't.
"The good thing about him was, he was saying, 'I want to learn from you guys,'" Mickens said. "He brought a lot to the table, but he also learned a lot. I remember that about him. That's a cool characteristic in a coach. I respect him more for that than some dictator who thinks he knows everything, and you're looking at him like, 'What?'"
Bowles was unflappable, according to former Jets players and coaches. Fifteen years later, that's what they remember most about him.
"The best thing, and the most vivid, is that he never got too up or too low," said Green, who loves the hire. "You never saw that. He was an even-keeled guy, not a rah-rah coach."
In other words, the anti-Rex. Mickens was surprised to hear that Bowles was so angry at halftime of a game this season that he busted up a whiteboard in the Arizona Cardinals' locker room.
"Him breaking a chalkboard would be like Herm Edwards swearing at a meeting. I'd be very shocked to see that," Mickens said. "I don't want to compare him to [Bill] Belidick, but their personalities are similar, middle of the road."
Bowles was a coach-on-the-field player during his years with the Washington Redskins. He played safety and called the defensive signals, approaching the field as if it were a chess board. Richie Petitbon was the defensive coordinator, and he demanded a cerebral safety. Bowles inherited the job from Mark Murphy, who is now the president and CEO of the Green Bay Packers.
Like we said, cerebral.
"I was always impressed with Todd," said Dan Henning, a former Redskins assistant and a member of the 2000 Jets' staff under Al Groh. "He has a quiet leadership. He very rarely gets flustered and he always had a plan."
Henning said Bowles "knew how to be a solider," meaning he was a team guy as a player and a coach. Now Bowles is the general, taking over a team that lost its way under the loosey-goosey Ryan. Bowles is known as a player-friendly coach, but he's not afraid to hold players accountable.
"Todd Bowles is cold-blooded," Henning said. "He'd waive his brother if he thought it would help the team."
In that respect, he's like Parcells, who ran players out of town for not buying into him and the program. Bowles was around that for six years in three stops, but that doesn't guarantee anything. The coaching tree that includes Belidick and Tom Coughlin also includes Groh and Ray Handley, so you never know. To paraphrase Parcells, they don't sell insurance for that.
Now Bowles gets his first shot. Somewhere in Florida, between cranky callbacks, his old boss probably managed a smile.
When no one was looking.
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Post by jets19 on Jan 19, 2015 14:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by carlton on Jan 19, 2015 14:42:27 GMT -5
What is this black magic? You can't change your game plan at halftime. What is he a wizard?
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