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Post by frostlich on Jan 24, 2022 10:53:32 GMT -5
That kickoff argument is kinda bullshit. If the bills squibbed it, all the KC guy would have to do is grab it and fall down, play over. 1 second off the clock, max. And then KC has good field position. If it’s a high kick, all the receiver has to is fair catch. No time off the clock. Albeit probably have the ball at the 15 instead of 25 on a fair catch. Overall, the kickoff wasn’t why they lost. No, it's not. First off, it's not like Hill was back there, which would've forced the Bills hand in kicking for a touchback. Instead they made the stupid decision to put the ball through the EZ without the best playmaker back there to receive it. It's not bullshit because you immediately have to kneel down and declare yourself down for the play to end WHEREVER you catch it; so there's a good chance that KC would've started from much worse field position. Squib kick also affords you the chance that someone short mishandles the ball, burning more time off the clock. It was a terrible, tactical error on multiple levels. As pointed out before, the non-call on the blatant Kelce pick was a huge factor as well. Ref the Kelce pick...which play are we talking about? There was a play, I think the 1st with 13 secs left in regulation, that Mahomes double pumped (on a screen maybe) where I thought Kelce was blocking down field before the pass was completed. That the one or something different?
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Post by Jetworks on Jan 24, 2022 11:13:54 GMT -5
No, it's not. First off, it's not like Hill was back there, which would've forced the Bills hand in kicking for a touchback. Instead they made the stupid decision to put the ball through the EZ without the best playmaker back there to receive it. It's not bullshit because you immediately have to kneel down and declare yourself down for the play to end WHEREVER you catch it; so there's a good chance that KC would've started from much worse field position. Squib kick also affords you the chance that someone short mishandles the ball, burning more time off the clock. It was a terrible, tactical error on multiple levels. As pointed out before, the non-call on the blatant Kelce pick was a huge factor as well. Ref the Kelce pick...which play are we talking about? There was a play, I think the 1st with 13 secs left in regulation, that Mahomes double pumped (on a screen maybe) where I thought Kelce was blocking down field before the pass was completed. That the one or something different? Crossing route that setup the FG, after the first pass for 20 yards
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jan 24, 2022 11:26:47 GMT -5
That kickoff argument is kinda bullshit. If the bills squibbed it, all the KC guy would have to do is grab it and fall down, play over. 1 second off the clock, max. And then KC has good field position. If it’s a high kick, all the receiver has to is fair catch. No time off the clock. Albeit probably have the ball at the 15 instead of 25 on a fair catch. Overall, the kickoff wasn’t why they lost. No, it's not. First off, it's not like Hill was back there, which would've forced the Bills hand in kicking for a touchback. Instead they made the stupid decision to put the ball through the EZ without the best playmaker back there to receive it. It's not bullshit because you immediately have to kneel down and declare yourself down for the play to end WHEREVER you catch it; so there's a good chance that KC would've started from much worse field position. Squib kick also affords you the chance that someone short mishandles the ball, burning more time off the clock. It was a terrible, tactical error on multiple levels. Exactly. Basically, squib kick and they get 2 plays instead of 3. Crazy when you think about it that this would constitute a glaring error.
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Post by frostlich on Jan 24, 2022 11:44:00 GMT -5
No, it's not. First off, it's not like Hill was back there, which would've forced the Bills hand in kicking for a touchback. Instead they made the stupid decision to put the ball through the EZ without the best playmaker back there to receive it. It's not bullshit because you immediately have to kneel down and declare yourself down for the play to end WHEREVER you catch it; so there's a good chance that KC would've started from much worse field position. Squib kick also affords you the chance that someone short mishandles the ball, burning more time off the clock. It was a terrible, tactical error on multiple levels. Exactly. Basically, squib kick and they get 2 plays instead of 3. Crazy when you think about it that this would constitute a glaring error. Possible that Tyler Bass (K) just screwed up royally? Coach did mention something about execution. Bit of a stretch maybe...
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jan 24, 2022 12:02:36 GMT -5
Exactly. Basically, squib kick and they get 2 plays instead of 3. Crazy when you think about it that this would constitute a glaring error. Possible that Tyler Bass (K) just screwed up royally? Coach did mention something about execution. Bit of a stretch maybe... I dunno. How many plays do you have on a kickoff? Left/Right/center/squib and onsides...how can you screw that up if it was called? Kind of like the 10 men on the field for the Pakcers...how in the world is that possible? Dude is prolly on the team JUST for special teams and he's not out there? "yo, where's Dave? He's usually next to me"
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 24, 2022 13:34:35 GMT -5
That kickoff argument is kinda bullshit. If the bills squibbed it, all the KC guy would have to do is grab it and fall down, play over. 1 second off the clock, max. And then KC has good field position. If it’s a high kick, all the receiver has to is fair catch. No time off the clock. Albeit probably have the ball at the 15 instead of 25 on a fair catch. Overall, the kickoff wasn’t why they lost. No, it's not. First off, it's not like Hill was back there, which would've forced the Bills hand in kicking for a touchback. Instead they made the stupid decision to put the ball through the EZ without the best playmaker back there to receive it. It's not bullshit because you immediately have to kneel down and declare yourself down for the play to end WHEREVER you catch it; so there's a good chance that KC would've started from much worse field position. Squib kick also affords you the chance that someone short mishandles the ball, burning more time off the clock. It was a terrible, tactical error on multiple levels. As pointed out before, the non-call on the blatant Kelce pick was a huge factor as well. From McDermott's comments it sounds like they were trying to kick it short and the kicker just kicked it too far. As for Big L's point that 10 yards makes all the difference even if it is a fair catch. Would have been a 60 yard FG if you believe in pre-determined outcomes. It wasnt any one thing, rather it was a combination of things that had to all be fucked up in order for something that unlikely to happen. It was a Jet-esque perfect storm of fuck-ups.
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Post by Big L on Jan 24, 2022 13:56:11 GMT -5
That kickoff argument is kinda bullshit. If the bills squibbed it, all the KC guy would have to do is grab it and fall down, play over. 1 second off the clock, max. And then KC has good field position. If it’s a high kick, all the receiver has to is fair catch. No time off the clock. Albeit probably have the ball at the 15 instead of 25 on a fair catch. Overall, the kickoff wasn’t why they lost. No, it's not. First off, it's not like Hill was back there, which would've forced the Bills hand in kicking for a touchback. Instead they made the stupid decision to put the ball through the EZ without the best playmaker back there to receive it. It's not bullshit because you immediately have to kneel down and declare yourself down for the play to end WHEREVER you catch it; so there's a good chance that KC would've started from much worse field position. Squib kick also affords you the chance that someone short mishandles the ball, burning more time off the clock. It was a terrible, tactical error on multiple levels. As pointed out before, the non-call on the blatant Kelce pick was a huge factor as well. Right on immediately declare yourself down. And hence no more than a second off the clock. But wrong on starting much worse field position - if the kick lands around the 10, KC guy can not even field it and maybe bounces in the end zone. Couple seconds off clock, ball at 25. Too many variables to say one way or the other what outcome good or bad for Buffalo there. And squib kick more likely than not would give KC good field position, better than touchback. Squib kick 2 seconds gone? They kicked field goal with 4 seconds remaining? And you want to rely on a 3% chance someone on KC mishandles it? Please. Point remains the same. The kickoff did not lose the game for the bills.
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Post by Big L on Jan 24, 2022 14:01:17 GMT -5
No, it's not. First off, it's not like Hill was back there, which would've forced the Bills hand in kicking for a touchback. Instead they made the stupid decision to put the ball through the EZ without the best playmaker back there to receive it. It's not bullshit because you immediately have to kneel down and declare yourself down for the play to end WHEREVER you catch it; so there's a good chance that KC would've started from much worse field position. Squib kick also affords you the chance that someone short mishandles the ball, burning more time off the clock. It was a terrible, tactical error on multiple levels. As pointed out before, the non-call on the blatant Kelce pick was a huge factor as well. From McDermott's comments it sounds like they were trying to kick it short and the kicker just kicked it too far. As for Big L's point that 10 yards makes all the difference even if it is a fair catch. Would have been a 60 yard FG if you believe in pre-determined outcomes. It wasnt any one thing, rather it was a combination of things that had to all be fucked up in order for something that unlikely to happen. It was a Jet-esque perfect storm of fuck-ups. The Bills took a page right out of the Jets ‘How to Lose Games’ playbook, and ran that 2 minutes and OT to perfection.
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Post by shakin on Jan 24, 2022 14:13:56 GMT -5
as much as i have long hated buffalo, i think i found myself oddly rooting for them. josh allen is a fucking beast. no ghey as far as you know
but then tehy lost and i heard the shattering hearts of the shittiest scumbag fanbase in the world and i was very happy again. fucking buffalo fans, LOL fuck you. on a broken folding table. in the ass
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jan 24, 2022 15:47:06 GMT -5
How stacked is the afc in qb talent? Herbert, mahomes, Allen, Burrow...even Stafford.
We're so fucked
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Post by crossfire on Jan 24, 2022 17:33:31 GMT -5
How stacked is the afc in qb talent? Herbert, mahomes, Allen, Burrow...even Stafford. We're so fucked Even Stafford?
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 24, 2022 17:40:26 GMT -5
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jan 25, 2022 5:12:26 GMT -5
How stacked is the afc in qb talent? Herbert, mahomes, Allen, Burrow...even Stafford. We're so fucked Even Stafford? 1 minute left and need a score, I'll take Stafford any day.
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Post by 2foolish on Jan 25, 2022 11:00:37 GMT -5
as much as i have long hated buffalo, i think i found myself oddly rooting for them. josh allen is a fucking beast. no ghey as far as you know but then tehy lost and i heard the shattering hearts of the shittiest scumbag fanbase in the world and i was very happy again. fucking buffalo fans, LOL fuck you. on a broken folding table. in the ass i was rooting for them big time...i mean i'm a Jet fan...rooting for another team in the playoffs is an annual thing...what?...
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Post by quantum on Jan 25, 2022 11:06:54 GMT -5
as much as i have long hated buffalo, i think i found myself oddly rooting for them. josh allen is a fucking beast. no ghey as far as you know but then tehy lost and i heard the shattering hearts of the shittiest scumbag fanbase in the world and i was very happy again. fucking buffalo fans, LOL fuck you. on a broken folding table. in the ass partially this. I wanted the Jets to take Allen, so much so that I planned my 2018 July vacation to be in Wyoming. Then they fucked up and didn't pick him. anyway, felt bad for the Bills - they played very well
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