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Post by southparkcpa on Nov 26, 2022 10:03:13 GMT -5
Yes I dare start this thread. What they've done to transform the roster and culture is incredible. Those who thought Saleh was only rah-rah just dropped his nads and proves he's not afraid of tough decisions. No one hits 1.000 in this league, there will be misses, but I haven't felt this secure in our tandem in a long time. Even with Tanny and Rex you knew it wasn't gonna last long since it was built around bringing in vets for a SB run. With the young guys we've brought in and the way JD is able to pick up talent along the way for cheap, we are set. Agreed. Im also surprised Woody didn’t stop him. JD has had 2 good drafts , 1 a complete BUST. If Zach can workout that’s great but benching the primodona was the right call. |
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Post by crossfire on Nov 30, 2022 6:03:24 GMT -5
Don’t sell yourself short. You were probably a big dick. 😁
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Post by cgjet on Nov 30, 2022 8:34:15 GMT -5
Well, the kid definitely faced the fire today and, IMO, performed admirably. Don't get me wrong I'm still rolling with Mike White after watching him perform Sunday against the Bears and running the Jets offense almost flawlessly. However, in rewatching the clip of Wilson I feel for him. The press has turned on him, some teammates, likely some coaches and so have a lot of the fans. I think the larger picture is he's 23 years old, looks like he barely has to shave, and made a miscalculation in dealing with the press. There's no doubt that he has things to work on and improve. Do I think he was taking shortcuts and not putting in the work? Yes. Does he know he's on the verge of losing it all? Yes. I think the game is still too fast for him and certain coaches who will remain nameless (Mumbles) are experts at exposing weakness and made him look like a fool. I want both White and Wilson to succeed and get better and both become and stay NFL caliber QBs. Joe Namath didn't win anything until he was 26 and prior to 1968 many of the fans and players often turned on him because of interceptions, misplay, trying to do too much, etc. If Namath had to deal with today's 24/7 media, he would have been run out of town after the 1967 season, for cutting corners, drinking all night, carousing with the ladies, too many interceptions, lack of teammate confidence and teammates pissed over his big contract, not making the playoffs and commercial appearances. I think this will work out for both. How? I don't know but one has been given a chance of a lifetime, the other put on notice his livelihood is on the line. I think both will respond. |
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Post by adpz on Nov 30, 2022 9:10:10 GMT -5
Well, the kid definitely faced the fire today and, IMO, performed admirably. Don't get me wrong I'm still rolling with Mike White after watching him perform Sunday against the Bears and running that offense almost flawlessly. However, in rewatching the clip of Wilson I feel for him. The press has turned on him, some teammates, likely some coaches and so have a lot of the fans. I think the larger picture is he's 23 years old, looks like he barely has to shave, and made a miscalculation in dealing with the press. There's no doubt that he has things to work on and improve. Do I think he was taking shortcuts and not putting in the work? Yes. Does he know he's on the verge of losing it all? Yes. I think the game is still too fast for him and certain coaches who will remain nameless (Mumbles) are experts at exposing weakness and made him look like a fool. I want both White and Wilson to succeed and get better and both become and stay NFL caliber QBs. Joe Namath didn't win anything until he was 26 and prior to 1968 many of the fans and players often turned on him because of interceptions, misplay, trying to do too much, etc. If Namath had to deal with today's 24/7 media, he would have been run out of town after the 1967 season, for cutting corners, drinking all night, carousing with the ladies, too many interceptions, lack of teammate confidence and teammates pissed over his big contract and commercial appearances. I think this will work out for both. How? I don't know but one has been given a chance of a lifetime, the other put on notice his livelihood is on the line. I think both will respond. In baseball it’s well-known that - no matter the talent - a player’s peak years often center around ages 27-30. And these are for players who’ve excelled since t-ball. There’s a sweet spot where the mental and physical tools line up. For positions that are mostly physical, reactive - like RB - you can obviously come into the league and have your best years immediately. But QB is more like the mind/body blend of a baseball player. So I agree with you - I think most QBs can only tap their potential in their late 20s. Expecting ZW to lead an NFL team at age 22 might be asking too much. And it’s noteworthy that Mike White is 27, entering his mental prime. And he looks it, things look smooth and easy. If you look at some QB who’ve had a non-traditional path to success, it happens late - Kurt Warner was 28 that first, magical season with the Rams. Romo was 27 in his first full season as a starter (they went 13-3). #1 pick Alex Smith was garbage for years in SF but somehow hold on long enough to get his shit together and - at age 27 - go 13-3 and finally establish himself as a legit QB. Aaron Rodgers was 26 when he had his breakout season, in his second year as a starter. Bottom line for me is that I like the SF-Saleh approach - which doesn’t require a hero at QB. Because there are very few of those around. |
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Post by Trades on Nov 30, 2022 9:51:38 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I'm still rolling with Mike White after watching him perform Sunday against the Bears and running that offense almost flawlessly. However, in rewatching the clip of Wilson I feel for him. The press has turned on him, some teammates, likely some coaches and so have a lot of the fans. I think the larger picture is he's 23 years old, looks like he barely has to shave, and made a miscalculation in dealing with the press. There's no doubt that he has things to work on and improve. Do I think he was taking shortcuts and not putting in the work? Yes. Does he know he's on the verge of losing it all? Yes. I think the game is still too fast for him and certain coaches who will remain nameless (Mumbles) are experts at exposing weakness and made him look like a fool. I want both White and Wilson to succeed and get better and both become and stay NFL caliber QBs. Joe Namath didn't win anything until he was 26 and prior to 1968 many of the fans and players often turned on him because of interceptions, misplay, trying to do too much, etc. If Namath had to deal with today's 24/7 media, he would have been run out of town after the 1967 season, for cutting corners, drinking all night, carousing with the ladies, too many interceptions, lack of teammate confidence and teammates pissed over his big contract and commercial appearances. I think this will work out for both. How? I don't know but one has been given a chance of a lifetime, the other put on notice his livelihood is on the line. I think both will respond. In baseball it’s well-known that - no matter the talent - a player’s peak years often center around ages 27-30. And these are for players who’ve excelled since t-ball. There’s a sweet spot where the mental and physical tools line up. For positions that are mostly physical, reactive - like RB - you can obviously come into the league and have your best years immediately. But QB is more like the mind/body blend of a baseball player. So I agree with you - I think most QBs can only tap their potential in their late 20s. Expecting ZW to lead an NFL team at age 22 might be asking too much. And it’s noteworthy that Mike White is 27, entering his mental prime. And he looks it, things look smooth and easy. If you look at some QB who’ve had a non-traditional path to success, it happens late - Kurt Warner was 28 that first, magical season with the Rams. Romo was 27 in his first full season as a starter (they went 13-3). #1 pick Alex Smith was garbage for years in SF but somehow hold on long enough to get his shit together and - at age 27 - go 13-3 and finally establish himself as a legit QB. Aaron Rodgers was 26 when he had his breakout season, in his second year as a starter. Bottom line for me is that I like the SF-Saleh approach - which doesn’t require a hero at QB. Because there are very few of those around. Geno Smith |
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Post by tkasper01 on Nov 30, 2022 10:35:48 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I'm still rolling with Mike White after watching him perform Sunday against the Bears and running that offense almost flawlessly. However, in rewatching the clip of Wilson I feel for him. The press has turned on him, some teammates, likely some coaches and so have a lot of the fans. I think the larger picture is he's 23 years old, looks like he barely has to shave, and made a miscalculation in dealing with the press. There's no doubt that he has things to work on and improve. Do I think he was taking shortcuts and not putting in the work? Yes. Does he know he's on the verge of losing it all? Yes. I think the game is still too fast for him and certain coaches who will remain nameless (Mumbles) are experts at exposing weakness and made him look like a fool. I want both White and Wilson to succeed and get better and both become and stay NFL caliber QBs. Joe Namath didn't win anything until he was 26 and prior to 1968 many of the fans and players often turned on him because of interceptions, misplay, trying to do too much, etc. If Namath had to deal with today's 24/7 media, he would have been run out of town after the 1967 season, for cutting corners, drinking all night, carousing with the ladies, too many interceptions, lack of teammate confidence and teammates pissed over his big contract and commercial appearances. I think this will work out for both. How? I don't know but one has been given a chance of a lifetime, the other put on notice his livelihood is on the line. I think both will respond. In baseball it’s well-known that - no matter the talent - a player’s peak years often center around ages 27-30. And these are for players who’ve excelled since t-ball. There’s a sweet spot where the mental and physical tools line up. For positions that are mostly physical, reactive - like RB - you can obviously come into the league and have your best years immediately. But QB is more like the mind/body blend of a baseball player. So I agree with you - I think most QBs can only tap their potential in their late 20s. Expecting ZW to lead an NFL team at age 22 might be asking too much. And it’s noteworthy that Mike White is 27, entering his mental prime. And he looks it, things look smooth and easy. If you look at some QB who’ve had a non-traditional path to success, it happens late - Kurt Warner was 28 that first, magical season with the Rams. Romo was 27 in his first full season as a starter (they went 13-3). #1 pick Alex Smith was garbage for years in SF but somehow hold on long enough to get his shit together and - at age 27 - go 13-3 and finally establish himself as a legit QB. Aaron Rodgers was 26 when he had his breakout season, in his second year as a starter. Bottom line for me is that I like the SF-Saleh approach - which doesn’t require a hero at QB. Because there are very few of those around. And yet he was still terrible. He hands off on pass plays and cannot hit open WR. This is year two. He got a pass last year for the very things you all mentioned in these two posts. I did not expect Brady or Rodgers but...... |
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Post by adpz on Nov 30, 2022 12:44:10 GMT -5
And yet he was still terrible. He hands off on pass plays and cannot hit open WR. This is year two. He got a pass last year for the very things you all mentioned in these two posts. I did not expect Brady or Rodgers but...... Oh I'm excusing Zach - he's been terrible. And I'm also not saying to wait -- I am more saying that it's possible/consistent that a guy with decent talent like White can 'suddenly' look like a legit NFL QB and we don't have to panic that it's all an illusion. |
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Post by quantum on Dec 3, 2022 20:11:50 GMT -5
I used to enjoy the smooth and debonair JETS opines of one pauliec. We all did. So I switched to Rich Eisen, and saved a ton of money. i bet paulie is a lounge singer somewhere, specializing in Sinatra tuneage. Voice starting to go and carrying several guns used by James Bond.... |
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