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Post by southside on Feb 17, 2015 23:46:36 GMT -5
Bravo. Fuck the NFL. I'm done with this bullshit. I like you guys though.
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Post by jetstream23 on Feb 18, 2015 0:06:30 GMT -5
Looks like one rogue ball boy. Yup, he sure is....
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 18, 2015 0:33:28 GMT -5
The NFL reporting tonight that officials found the Pats trying to use illegal balls to use during FGs in AFCCGS. It's not over.
Not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 1:09:31 GMT -5
The NFL reporting tonight that officials found the Flats* trying to use illegal balls to use during FGs in AFCCGS. It's not over. Not even close. Where was this said in that report? The "K-balls" are designed to actually help the kickers because they're harder than the game balls and easier to kick, lol. Yet the Flats* wanted to mess with them as well? Que?
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Post by choon328 on Feb 18, 2015 1:36:47 GMT -5
I think in context it's a lot worse than you think. In a regular game where there was not deflategate issue this would not be a big deal. They could just say somehow that ball got mixed in and it was a mistake. But when you add it to the deflategate story it proves intent to circumvent the rules regarding the use of legal footballs. If they tried to sneak in an unapproved kicking football to get an advantage it's not a huge leap to assume that they would attempt to circumvent the rules in regards to the game footballs. It creates a pattern of circumstantial evidence and even in murder trials there doesn't need to be a smoking gun to find guilt if there is enough circumstantial evidence. And this isn't a court, it's the NFL.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 1:46:18 GMT -5
Except there's no logical advantage to sneaking in this unapproved kicking football. By definition, the K-balls give an advantage over the regular game balls. And they are only used for punts and kickoffs anyway. Also, they're marked. It's like walking into a bank and trying to deposit some Mickey Mouse Bucks. Florio just dropped this great piece on PFT: profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/17/new-espn-report-conflicts-prior-claim-of-football-deflation/This continual drip-drip-drip of reports raises more questions than it answers. If there's evidence they deliberately doctored footballs, just come out with it, I can handle that... just want to know what actually happened at this point. But this is a clusterfuck all around.
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Post by choon328 on Feb 18, 2015 2:06:23 GMT -5
Except there's no logical advantage to sneaking in this unapproved kicking football. By definition, the K-balls give an advantage over the regular game balls. And they are only used for punts and kickoffs anyway. Also, they're marked. It's like walking into a bank and trying to deposit some Mickey Mouse Bucks. Florio just dropped this great piece on PFT: profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/17/new-espn-report-conflicts-prior-claim-of-football-deflation/This continual drip-drip-drip of reports raises more questions than it answers. If there's evidence they deliberately doctored footballs, just come out with it, I can handle that... just want to know what actually happened at this point. But this is a clusterfuck all around. Read the ESPN piece. They had 4 sources from inside the league verify this report. 1-2 psi is still illegal regardless if the previous report said that 11 were 2 psi under. It doesn't change the fact that it's been verified by 4 sources that the Pats balls were illegal. It also says that the official the attendant handed the ball to was originally suspicious b/c the attendant is not the guy who is supposed to hand the officials the footballs. As far as why they would try to sneak an unapproved ball in that's simple. If they inflated an unapproved football a couple of more PSI then what is allowed the ball will travel further on kickoffs, punts and fg's. That's the obvious advantage to trying to sneak in an unapproved ball. I don't think the NFL will have a smoking gun to definitively prove that they Patriots altered the game day footballs. But with this new report and the fact that the balls were under inflated after being approved for game play, the attendant (possibly the same guy who tried to sneak the unapproved special teams ball in) disappearing for 90 seconds, which has been proven to be enough time to deflate each ball, there is enough circumstantial evidence to point to the Pats trying to circumvent the rules. It doesn't have to proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. If there's smoke, there's usually fire.
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 18, 2015 9:18:43 GMT -5
The NFL reporting tonight that officials found the Flats* trying to use illegal balls to use during FGs in AFCCGS. It's not over. Not even close. The "NFL" is reporting nothing. All rumors and innuendo. ESPN with their usual shoddy journalism because of their vendetta against BB for not kissing their ass. This will be over when Mr. Kraft says its over. And I fully expect apologies to follow.
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Post by southside on Feb 18, 2015 10:42:59 GMT -5
Sounds like this illegal football situation is about to get REALLY ugly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 11:34:22 GMT -5
Read the ESPN piece. They had 4 sources from inside the league verify this report. 1-2 psi is still illegal regardless if the previous report said that 11 were 2 psi under. It doesn't change the fact that it's been verified by 4 sources that the Flats* balls were illegal. It also says that the official the attendant handed the ball to was originally suspicious b/c the attendant is not the guy who is supposed to hand the officials the footballs. As far as why they would try to sneak an unapproved ball in that's simple. If they inflated an unapproved football a couple of more PSI then what is allowed the ball will travel further on kickoffs, punts and fg's. That's the obvious advantage to trying to sneak in an unapproved ball. I don't think the NFL will have a smoking gun to definitively prove that they Patriots altered the game day footballs. But with this new report and the fact that the balls were under inflated after being approved for game play, the attendant (possibly the same guy who tried to sneak the unapproved special teams ball in) disappearing for 90 seconds, which has been proven to be enough time to deflate each ball, there is enough circumstantial evidence to point to the Flats* trying to circumvent the rules. It doesn't have to proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. If there's smoke, there's usually fire. I just bolded a couple of things that you took from that article that were not in the article. For a fan base that cringes at Mehta's "anonymous sources" and trashes them at every opportunity, you're sure quick to buy into these "sources"... are they league officials? Colts team officials? Joe six-pack in the bleachers? Who knows? And now you're talking about inflating footballs instead of deflating them. So the Pats deflated Brady's offensive game balls and inflated Gosktowski's kicking balls. Never mind that the kicking balls are harder and more inflated to begin with in order to aid the kicking game, or that they are specifically marked by the ref to make sure an unauthorized ball never comes into play for the kicking team. The Pats decided they needed to mess with that anyway. Sp not only did this dude deflate 11 of 12 balls for Brady (by varying PSI, who knows why), he then went and overinflated a random ball to try and sneak into the kicking game even though the ref checks the marking on the ball every single time and there's zero chance of this subterfuge working. Makes. Perfect. Sense.
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Post by afceastfan on Feb 18, 2015 11:35:19 GMT -5
Sounds like this illegal football situation is about to get REALLY ugly. Agreed. I expect two things to happen at the end of all this: 1. A penalty against the Patriots that is viewed by their fans as excessive and by fans of other teams as a light slap on the wrist. 2. Kraft gives Goodell a vote of no confidence and seeks to oust him as Commissioner.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 11:46:26 GMT -5
So BB and TB have, for years, been staking their entire careers on a middle-aged dude from Amherst, NH to run in and out of bathrooms and onto the field deflating and inflating various balls depending on the situation and hoping nobody figures out what the fuck he's doing.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Feb 18, 2015 11:47:48 GMT -5
So BB and TB have, for years, been staking their entire careers on a middle-aged dude from Amherst, NH to run in and out of bathrooms and onto the field deflating and inflating various balls depending on the situation and hoping nobody figures out what the fuck he's doing. Exactly! The perfect scapegoat!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 12:02:11 GMT -5
So BB and TB have, for years, been staking their entire careers on a middle-aged dude from Amherst, NH to run in and out of bathrooms and onto the field deflating and inflating various balls depending on the situation and hoping nobody figures out what the fuck he's doing. so a middle-aged dude from Amherst who has his dream job working for the wallposters he jerks off to is going to risk losing that job by messing with the footballs his team uses, all on his own accord without the people using the footballs knowing yeah ok plausible
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Post by frostlich on Feb 18, 2015 12:03:18 GMT -5
Still waiting to hear more about illegal formations and bullshit substitutions.
That...and I saw BB consorting with the devil.
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