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Post by jetstream23 on Feb 24, 2015 14:27:13 GMT -5
While the projected cap is now looking like a possibility of $143 million, giving the Jets currently about $41 million space (and $51 if we cut Harvin), next year is even MORE ridiculous. If Harvin is cut this year, his salary is off the book for 2016. D'Brick will either have to restructure in 2016, or face a potential cut. He would count $5 million in dead money, but he would save over $9 million cap space. It's pretty much a guarantee he will restructure, because his dead money in 2017 is only $1 million compared to a $14 million cap savings. Nick Mangold's contract for 2016 and 2017 are fully non-guaranteed That would mean about $8.5 million saved in 2016, and $9.5 million in 2017. I am also presuming they will eat $1 million for Breno in 2016 and save almost $4 million What does this mean? Well, with Harvin and Bruno cut, and IF both D'Brick and Mangold were deemed expendable for 2016, we would have almost $100,000,000 in cap space WITHOUT the cap going up a dime. You read that right....$100 million dollars  I think it is safe to say, the New York Jets will be investing in some of their own young players, and spending some money in free agency. So we'd have $100M but our starting Left Tackle, Right Tackle, and Pro Bowl Center would be gone along with a starting WR? This is interesting. How many players would we need to get rid of to get to $200M?  |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 24, 2015 14:39:55 GMT -5
Hard to say given you have no clue if Mariota will be sitting at six for us. It was a hypothetical question that stated what would you do with the QB situation if Winston and Mariota were gone by 6. My answer is the same as the majority. You bring in a guy like Shaun Hill or Hoyer to compete with Geno, maybe draft a developmental QB in the last 3 rounds and hope you hit the lottery with him. Agreed. But my point was one, Mariota, will be there at 6 for us. If not we have to take a second tier guy that they like, wherever they can. If they love a Hundly and need to grab him in the second go for it. Bring in a backup for Geno and pray both develop |
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Post by choon328 on Feb 24, 2015 15:20:30 GMT -5
It was a hypothetical question that stated what would you do with the QB situation if Winston and Mariota were gone by 6. My answer is the same as the majority. You bring in a guy like Shaun Hill or Hoyer to compete with Geno, maybe draft a developmental QB in the last 3 rounds and hope you hit the lottery with him. Agreed. But my point was one, Mariota, will be there at 6 for us. If not we have to take a second tier guy that they like, wherever they can. If they love a Hundly and need to grab him in the second go for it. Bring in a backup for Geno and pray both develop I don't think beyond Winston that any of the other QB's are worth taking unless you're a team with an established QB who one of these rookies can sit behind for 3 years. I like Mariota's skill set I just don't think at 6 you can bring a guy in who is going to have the same learning curve that Geno had coming in his rookie year. If you think about it they both have similar measurables and skill sets. Coming from similar offenses out of college. Geno had just as much production as Mariota did in College. I think you have to get a player of impact at that spot, not a guy who should sit on the bench for at least 2 years. Just my opinion though. |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 24, 2015 15:31:10 GMT -5
Agreed. But my point was one, Mariota, will be there at 6 for us. If not we have to take a second tier guy that they like, wherever they can. If they love a Hundly and need to grab him in the second go for it. Bring in a backup for Geno and pray both develop I don't think beyond Winston that any of the other QB's are worth taking unless you're a team with an established QB who one of these rookies can sit behind for 3 years. I like Mariota's skill set I just don't think at 6 you can bring a guy in who is going to have the same learning curve that Geno had coming in his rookie year. If you think about it they both have similar measurables and skill sets. Coming from similar offenses out of college. Geno had just as much production as Mariota did in College. I think you have to get a player of impact at that spot, not a guy who should sit on the bench for at least 2 years. Just my opinion though. Don't know if others agree. One report is already claiming we'd take Mariota if he's there. Some still think he could go one. Geno was erratic in college, Mariota wasn't anywhere near the roller coaster ride that Geno was and still is |
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Post by choon328 on Feb 24, 2015 16:49:45 GMT -5
I don't think beyond Winston that any of the other QB's are worth taking unless you're a team with an established QB who one of these rookies can sit behind for 3 years. I like Mariota's skill set I just don't think at 6 you can bring a guy in who is going to have the same learning curve that Geno had coming in his rookie year. If you think about it they both have similar measurables and skill sets. Coming from similar offenses out of college. Geno had just as much production as Mariota did in College. I think you have to get a player of impact at that spot, not a guy who should sit on the bench for at least 2 years. Just my opinion though. Don't know if others agree. One report is already claiming we'd take Mariota if he's there. Some still think he could go one. Geno was erratic in college, Mariota wasn't anywhere near the roller coaster ride that Geno was and still is Geno was not erratic in college at all. He had one bad game his senior year against Kansas State. @ Texas, @ Texas Tech, @ Oklahoma State, @ Iowa State, @ Syracuse he had combined 11 TD's 0 Int's 64.7 comp % and averaged 269 yds passing. His team was 2-3 over those 5 games and that's without him turning the ball over. That's how bad his team was. Not only that but lets not forget the 656 yds passing and 8 tds he put up against TCU that year and WV won 70-63. WV lost 6 games that year, Geno had 13 tds and 5 int in those games. If he wasn't absolutely perfect they would lose b/c their defense was atrocious. His overall team was far inferior to what Oregon put on the field on a weekly basis. These are his stats as a senior side by side with Mariota: Geno 71.2 % 4201 Yds 42 TD's 6 Int's Mariota68.3 % 4454 yds 42 TD's 4 Int They both started 3 years in college. Geno finished with a higher completion %. 98 tds' 21 int for his career. Mariota 104 tds' 14 int. People forget how great of a college QB Geno was and after his junior season Geno was the next big thing at QB. His team lost 5 straight games in the middle of his senior season and then they lost their bowl game against Syracuse and they heaped all blame on Geno. But even with that there was speculation that he would go #1 in the draft all the way up to draft day. He slipped to us in the 2nd and it was a no brainer to take him. But to say he was "erratic" in college is the furthest thing from the truth. Mariota and Geno had almost identical college systems, identical statistics and almost identical measurements at the combine. Mariota's hands are a 1/2 inch bigger. The point of this isn't to say Mariota won't be better than Geno in time it's strictly to point out the large learning curve that Mariota has coming into the NFL. Very similar in all aspects as to what Geno went through the past 2 years. And I know everyone wants to say how great Mariota would be if he went to the Eagles but I'm not so sure about that either. Obviously the learning curve is less as far as the offense is concerned but he's still going to be playing against faster players and better defenses that will do a better job of taking away what he did in college. I'm not sold on him at all, especially at 6. |
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Post by choon328 on Feb 24, 2015 16:59:46 GMT -5
Here's Mariota's scouting report from NFL.com Not a glowing endorsement to say the least. Sounds like a guy who will need a couple of years to develop skills that he didn't use in college. Just like Geno. |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 24, 2015 17:01:03 GMT -5
Numbers say you're right but right or wrong I never looked at Geno the same way I look at Mariota. Plus Mariota is a weapon on the move, Geno never was that long of runner in college. I know Mariota has issues that have to be overcome but others feel the same way. He still tops some mock drafts as the first player to be picked. Where Geno went where it's thought he would go.
Still if the Foles and a pile of picks offer was offered for the six and Mariota I would jump at it. Or better yet if Tpa would take Maripta and leave Winston for us...
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Post by choon328 on Feb 24, 2015 17:16:09 GMT -5
Numbers say you're right but right or wrong I never looked at Geno the same way I look at Mariota. Plus Mariota is a weapon on the move, Geno never was that long of runner in college. I know Mariota has issues that have to be overcome but others feel the same way. He still tops some mock drafts as the first player to be picked. Where Geno went where it's thought he would go. Still if the Foles and a pile of picks offer was offered for the six and Mariota I would jump at it. Or better yet if Tpa would take Maripta and leave Winston for us... I agree. 2 best case scenarios for me. Winston falls in range that we can move up without paying too much. The other one is getting Foles and those picks from the Eagles. I think the Jets can drop to 20 and still get a really good player. |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 24, 2015 17:22:19 GMT -5
Numbers say you're right but right or wrong I never looked at Geno the same way I look at Mariota. Plus Mariota is a weapon on the move, Geno never was that long of runner in college. I know Mariota has issues that have to be overcome but others feel the same way. He still tops some mock drafts as the first player to be picked. Where Geno went where it's thought he would go. Still if the Foles and a pile of picks offer was offered for the six and Mariota I would jump at it. Or better yet if Tpa would take Maripta and leave Winston for us... I agree. 2 best case scenarios for me. Winston falls in range that we can move up without paying too much. The other one is getting Foles and those picks from the Eagles. I think the Jets can drop to 20 and still get a really good player. I don't get the lack of love for a 6"6' QB who has already shown he can play, play well, not throw picks and is YOUNG as Foles. Less risk to me than Mariota. I'd kill for Jameis though |
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Post by Harrier on Feb 26, 2015 15:27:34 GMT -5
Rich Cimini (@richcimini) tweeted at 8:11pm - 26 Feb 15:
Latest salary cap report from @espnstatsinfo: Jets will have $54.75M in cap space, based on a $143m cap. Only JAX with more room. #nyj
That's without Harvin being cut aswell.
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Post by canadasteve on Feb 27, 2015 9:16:37 GMT -5
While the projected cap is now looking like a possibility of $143 million, giving the Jets currently about $41 million space (and $51 if we cut Harvin), next year is even MORE ridiculous. If Harvin is cut this year, his salary is off the book for 2016. D'Brick will either have to restructure in 2016, or face a potential cut. He would count $5 million in dead money, but he would save over $9 million cap space. It's pretty much a guarantee he will restructure, because his dead money in 2017 is only $1 million compared to a $14 million cap savings. Nick Mangold's contract for 2016 and 2017 are fully non-guaranteed That would mean about $8.5 million saved in 2016, and $9.5 million in 2017. I am also presuming they will eat $1 million for Breno in 2016 and save almost $4 million What does this mean? Well, with Harvin and Bruno cut, and IF both D'Brick and Mangold were deemed expendable for 2016, we would have almost $100,000,000 in cap space WITHOUT the cap going up a dime. You read that right....$100 million dollars I think it is safe to say, the New York Jets will be investing in some of their own young players, and spending some money in free agency. So we'd have $100M but our starting Left Tackle, Right Tackle, and Pro Bowl Center would be gone along with a starting WR? This is interesting. How many players would we need to get rid of to get to $200M? Funny you should say that....IF Percy Harvin were to be cut today, that would leave us with TWO players signed for 2018 (Decker and Kerley). We would have $132 million to spend. My guess is though, after the next two years, we will have a couple more guys signed so Decker and Kerley do not have to play on both sides of the ball.  |
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