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Post by Touchable on Mar 22, 2015 14:45:59 GMT -5
The bottom line is this...if Mariota pans out, then he's going to help this team a helluva lot more in the foreseeable future than a passrusher like Shane Ray or a WR like Cooper/White. Playing devils advocate....what happens if Mariota busts and Ray(insert your favorite OLB rusher) turns into a perennial 10+ sack guy? I get your line of reasoning, but I'm not sure reaching for a maybe future savior is the wise choice. Just because he is smart, athletically gifted and devotes his life too football, does not guarantee us of a slam dunk franchise QB. He has legit question marks. We have another draft loaded with needs like WR, OLB , RB, and OT. If he is available and Mac pulls the trigger, I'll be behind it 100% because I'm a fan, but I'll always second guess the pick. I wonder how many Redskin fans thought they had their savior after RG3's first year? If we draft Mariota and he busts while Ray goes on to be a 10 sack a year passrusher, then I can live with it. At least we had the balls to swing for the fences and take a shot on a young, promising QB at the top of the draft instead of dicking around with Geno and a mediocre journeyman like Fitz. However, if we pass on Mariota and he goes on to become a legitimate fanchise QB...then I won't even care if Ray is putting up 10-12 sacks a year with us. I'll be pissed that we finally had the chance to draft our guy for the next decade and in typical Jets fashion, we managed to fuck it up. All because Mariota wasn't some flawless "once in a generation" prospect, therefore we didn't have the balls to pull the trigger. |
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Post by ryu79 on Mar 22, 2015 16:01:32 GMT -5
Playing devils advocate....what happens if Mariota busts and Ray(insert your favorite OLB rusher) turns into a perennial 10+ sack guy? I get your line of reasoning, but I'm not sure reaching for a maybe future savior is the wise choice. Just because he is smart, athletically gifted and devotes his life too football, does not guarantee us of a slam dunk franchise QB. He has legit question marks. We have another draft loaded with needs like WR, OLB , RB, and OT. If he is available and Mac pulls the trigger, I'll be behind it 100% because I'm a fan, but I'll always second guess the pick. I wonder how many Redskin fans thought they had their savior after RG3's first year? If we draft Mariota and he busts while Ray goes on to be a 10 sack a year passrusher, then I can live with it. At least we had the balls to swing for the fences and take a shot on a young, promising QB at the top of the draft instead of dicking around with Geno and a mediocre journeyman like Fitz. However, if we pass on Mariota and he goes on to become a legitimate fanchise QB...then I won't even care if Ray is putting up 10-12 sacks a year with us. I'll be pissed that we finally had the chance to draft our guy for the next decade and in typical Jets fashion, we managed to fuck it up. All because Mariota wasn't some flawless "once in a generation" prospect, therefore we didn't have the balls to pull the trigger. Well said. |
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Post by TheMo on Mar 22, 2015 16:38:42 GMT -5
The bottom line is this...if Mariota pans out, then he's going to help this team a helluva lot more in the foreseeable future than a passrusher like Shane Ray or a WR like Cooper/White. Playing devils advocate....what happens if Mariota busts and Ray(insert your favorite OLB rusher) turns into a perennial 10+ sack guy? I get your line of reasoning, but I'm not sure reaching for a maybe future savior is the wise choice. Just because he is smart, athletically gifted and devotes his life too football, does not guarantee us of a slam dunk franchise QB. He has legit question marks. We have another draft loaded with needs like WR, OLB , RB, and OT. If he is available and Mac pulls the trigger, I'll be behind it 100% because I'm a fan, but I'll always second guess the pick. I wonder how many Redskin fans thought they had their savior after RG3's first year? No such thing. Or at least extremely rare. I did a calculation earlier this year when we were talking about this topic and the odds of having the top pick when a once in a generation player (Luck, Mr. Forehead, Elway) was available were astronomically small. Rivers, Big Ben, Rodgers widely considered franchise QBs all had flaws and were not clear cut #1 QBs in their drafts. So if you don't think Mariota is a guaranteed bust (in my mind some #1s that were going to clearly bust were Tebow, Manziel, Ponder, etc.) and you think he has a lot of upside you take that risk. The only thing that even makes me think twice about Mariota is that I think Hundley could have just as much upside and I think he was just in a less ideal situation at UCLA to showcase his skills. Other than that I have no real issue with taking Mariota. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 21:05:44 GMT -5
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Mar 23, 2015 7:51:29 GMT -5
Playing devils advocate....what happens if Mariota busts and Ray(insert your favorite OLB rusher) turns into a perennial 10+ sack guy? I get your line of reasoning, but I'm not sure reaching for a maybe future savior is the wise choice. Just because he is smart, athletically gifted and devotes his life too football, does not guarantee us of a slam dunk franchise QB. He has legit question marks. We have another draft loaded with needs like WR, OLB , RB, and OT. If he is available and Mac pulls the trigger, I'll be behind it 100% because I'm a fan, but I'll always second guess the pick. I wonder how many Redskin fans thought they had their savior after RG3's first year? If we draft Mariota and he busts while Ray goes on to be a 10 sack a year passrusher, then I can live with it. At least we had the balls to swing for the fences and take a shot on a young, promising QB at the top of the draft instead of dicking around with Geno and a mediocre journeyman like Fitz. However, if we pass on Mariota and he goes on to become a legitimate fanchise QB...then I won't even care if Ray is putting up 10-12 sacks a year with us. I'll be pissed that we finally had the chance to draft our guy for the next decade and in typical Jets fashion, we managed to fuck it up. All because Mariota wasn't some flawless "once in a generation" prospect, therefore we didn't have the balls to pull the trigger. Spot on! |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 25, 2015 23:28:00 GMT -5
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Post by yankeejet22 on Mar 26, 2015 18:23:19 GMT -5
I think there's no way they pass on him. If he's there he'll don the Green & White.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Mar 30, 2015 13:21:42 GMT -5
I think there's no way they pass on him. If he's there he'll don the Green & White. Yeah I can agree with that...as long as they don't trade up for him. He is going to be a work in progress, but with this QB friendly system that Gailey runs it could be a great fit. I just think there is no way he drops to us. |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 30, 2015 13:54:08 GMT -5
So any word on how the work out went?
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 30, 2015 23:30:50 GMT -5
Playing devils advocate....what happens if Mariota busts and Ray(insert your favorite OLB rusher) turns into a perennial 10+ sack guy? I get your line of reasoning, but I'm not sure reaching for a maybe future savior is the wise choice. Just because he is smart, athletically gifted and devotes his life too football, does not guarantee us of a slam dunk franchise QB. He has legit question marks. We have another draft loaded with needs like WR, OLB , RB, and OT. If he is available and Mac pulls the trigger, I'll be behind it 100% because I'm a fan, but I'll always second guess the pick. I wonder how many Redskin fans thought they had their savior after RG3's first year? If we draft Mariota and he busts while Ray goes on to be a 10 sack a year passrusher, then I can live with it. At least we had the balls to swing for the fences and take a shot on a young, promising QB at the top of the draft instead of dicking around with Geno and a mediocre journeyman like Fitz. However, if we pass on Mariota and he goes on to become a legitimate fanchise QB...then I won't even care if Ray is putting up 10-12 sacks a year with us. I'll be pissed that we finally had the chance to draft our guy for the next decade and in typical Jets fashion, we managed to fuck it up. All because Mariota wasn't some flawless "once in a generation" prospect, therefore we didn't have the balls to pull the trigger. This is exactly how I feel. It would be so Jet-like to pass on a potential franchise quarterback at number six and then watch him go on to be a top 10 guy for a decade on some other team. Talk about a Dan Marino flashback! |
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Post by joepnyj1 on Mar 31, 2015 8:36:58 GMT -5
Here is the thing, I totally disagree with Cimini. I think Mariota will be taken by the Jets should he fall to pick #6. That being said the boom or bust risk to draft this kid is well worth taking. If we trade assets to move up to draft Mariota that is a different story altogether.
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Post by JetBidi on Apr 8, 2015 17:49:26 GMT -5
Looks like Mayock just moved Mariota ahead of Winston on his Top 5 QB list
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Post by Paradis on Apr 8, 2015 20:21:57 GMT -5
Looks like Mayock's an idiot.
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Post by RobR on Apr 8, 2015 20:33:14 GMT -5
Looks like Mayock just moved Mariota ahead of Winston on his Top 5 QB list Blah, Blah , blah.........not directed at you. |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 8, 2015 21:42:25 GMT -5
Smart man, that Mayock.
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