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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 22, 2015 9:47:20 GMT -5
This draft is top heavy in outside/edge rushers, a premium position in the NFL along with QB, LT, and CB. Finding truly disruptive guys that can wreak havoc on opposing offenses isn't easy. But this draft seems to have several very, very good ones. Analysts are talking about a run on these guys in the Top 10. So, who is your favorite among these consensus Top 15 players?
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 22, 2015 9:59:20 GMT -5
Also, the more I think about it, the more I don't want to see the Jets get cute here and make an unorthodox pick or trade out of the spot. We have a clear need at OLB with the Coples transition not working so far, and Pace, Babin having their best football in the rearview mirror. The Jets have addressed ILB with David Harris and Demario Davis better in the draft than they have the OLB position. We need an infusion of youth and premiere talent at the position, it's simply been too long especially when you consider our investments on the DLine and in the Secondary. We need our next Mo Lewis, a guy drafted by the Jets who sticks around for a decade, clipping along at 90 Tackles and 9 Sacks per season.
This is a position where there is NO DOUBT the Jets will have choices at #6. I see Mariota being available as the only curve ball that might keep the Jets from taking a pass rusher. This is really going to come down to the Jets Scouting Dept. and their ranking/evaluation of these guys. I'd guess that AT LEAST 1 but possibly 2 of the guys in the list above are gone before #6. Let's say that Fowler and Shane Ray are gone, that puts the responsibility on our scouts to say, "Vic Beasley is the guy!" or "Randy Gregory is the perfect fit for Todd Bowles' defense."
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Post by Paradis on Mar 22, 2015 10:28:42 GMT -5
I look at this way; we don't just have "guys" on the line with Wilk, Richardson, etc... We have the best. In multiple fronts, our dline might only be second to STL.
So, if I'm selecting an OLB, i'm choosing that individual 100% on their ability to get to the QB. Forget the rest. To me that guy is without a doubt Shane Ray. He's world war Z. Don't care about the measurables, and blah blah blah... He's a fucking boss. Just like people out thought themselves with Teddy Bridgewater last year, they're doing the same thing with Ray.
Beasley is good, but top 10? ehhh, maybe.
Gregory will spend too much time injured.
Fowler is the most risk-free and versatile.
The Dupree love has gotten out of control. He's not a finished product yet, and @6 i'd be punching some nearby children.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 22, 2015 10:37:13 GMT -5
I look at this way; we don't just have "guys" on the line with Wilk, Richardson, etc... We have the best. In multiple fronts, our dline might only be second to STL. So, if I'm selecting an OLB, i'm choosing that individual 100% on their ability to get to the QB. Forget the rest. To me that guy is without a doubt Shane Ray. He's world war Z. Don't care about the measurables, and blah blah blah... He's a fucking boss. Just like people out thought themselves with Teddy Bridgewater last year, they're doing the same thing with Ray. Beasley is good, but top 10? ehhh, maybe. Gregory will spend too much time injured. Fowler is the most risk-free and versatile. The Dupree love has gotten out of control. He's not a finished product yet, and @6 i'd be punching some nearby children. lol I'm starting to like Vic Beasley more and more. I think he is an explosive pass rusher and can also satisfy some of the OLB requirements that other guys in this list can't, like dropping into coverage, etc. I also agree that Dante Fowler has the highest floor, closest to a sure thing out of all these guys. I think my list would be Fowler, Beasley and then Shane Ray. I like Ray and it's close, but I have Fowler and Beasley just a little bit ahead of him. And I'm also with you on Dupree. We don't need a project, we need a player. I like him but only in scenarios where the Jets have traded back into the second half of the round. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 22, 2015 10:40:31 GMT -5
I look at this way; we don't just have "guys" on the line with Wilk, Richardson, etc... We have the best. In multiple fronts, our dline might only be second to STL. So, if I'm selecting an OLB, i'm choosing that individual 100% on their ability to get to the QB. Forget the rest. To me that guy is without a doubt Shane Ray. He's world war Z. Don't care about the measurables, and blah blah blah... He's a fucking boss. Just like people out thought themselves with Teddy Bridgewater last year, they're doing the same thing with Ray. Beasley is good, but top 10? ehhh, maybe. Gregory will spend too much time injured. Fowler is the most risk-free and versatile. The Dupree love has gotten out of control. He's not a finished product yet, and @6 i'd be punching some nearby children. lol I'm starting to like Vic Beasley more and more. I think he is an explosive pass rusher and can also satisfy some of the OLB requirements that other guys in this list can't, like dropping into coverage, etc. I also agree that Dante Fowler has the highest floor, closest to a sure thing out of all these guys. I think my list would be Fowler, Beasley and then Shane Ray. I like Ray and it's close, but I have Fowler and Beasley just a little bit ahead of him. And I'm also with you on Dupree. We don't need a project, we need a player. I like him but only in scenarios where the Jets have dropped into the second half of the round. I think that's a respectable perspective. If they took Beasley, i wouldn't be mad. It would tell the staff feel like they saw something that made him worth that pick and i would trust their assessment. Same with Fowler... Dupree at 6 would tell me that Bradway is still in the building, likely hiding in the vents with a walkie-talkie. |
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Post by maury77 on Mar 22, 2015 13:04:49 GMT -5
I list them in this order:
1) Fowler
2) Beasley
3) Ray
4) Gregory
5) Dupree
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Post by joepnyj1 on Mar 24, 2015 12:56:34 GMT -5
1) Beasley
2) Fowler
3) Ray
4) Dupree
5) Harold
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Post by suprjet on Mar 29, 2015 9:36:15 GMT -5
I think Fowler is off the board at 6. Gregory is boom or bust with his super light frame (see Mingo) and failed drug tests. I'm not sold on Beasley or Ray due to their lack of size -- 6' 3" 246 OLB in the pros is not going to cut it.
That leaves Dupree. He has the size you want at 6' 4" 269 and incredible speed for his size at 4.56 to be a beast off the edge. Plus he has experience in coverage. He's the guy IMO.
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Post by maury77 on Mar 29, 2015 19:02:24 GMT -5
Dupree has got a little Manny Lawson to him. Ridiculous athlete, but I just don't see a lot of plays on film.
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Post by soberphobia on Mar 30, 2015 0:01:44 GMT -5
Dupree had good production? I hope we do get Dupree, just not at 6 - if we do get him it means we've traded down and picked up an extra pick or two, which I'm quite happy with.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 30, 2015 23:02:52 GMT -5
Anybody see McShay's mock today? Gulp!
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Post by Touchable on Apr 2, 2015 11:17:43 GMT -5
Fowler is the best passrusher in the draft.
But I don't see any way he makes it to us.
If Tennessee passes on Mariota and takes Leonard Williams, then I think you can bet your ass that the Jags will take Fowler at #3.
Lowest he goes is #5 to Washington.
If the Jets go OLB at #6, then Ray and Beasley are much more realistic IMO.
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Post by jdeacon on Apr 2, 2015 18:52:20 GMT -5
I have to go with Shane Ray. The dude is like a pitbull set loose on qb's. I love his fire, reminds me a lot of Richardson just as a speed rusher ( not just because of mizzou) The guy is always putting in 110% on every play. I don't care about measurable and pedigree.
This guy will be the best olb drafted this year. I hope we are lucky enough to get him.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 2, 2015 20:28:46 GMT -5
It's interesting to revisit this question a month later... (its been about a month since we've been seriously pitting these names against each other)
After really dig into the tape i can find, i've come to the conclusion that I like Ray the best hands down... HOWEVER, I'm saying that in relation to Ray being as advertised. He's the terminator. You could rip his arm off, and he'd still chase down the QB.. BUT, is he truly an OLB/Edge guy? I can't say with confidence he is. Fowler to me seems best fit for that role, if we are indeed going to be running a 3-4 the majority of the time. I have a sneaking suspicion that Ray needs his hand in the dirt to be who he is...
Now, that begs the next question -- Who are the Jets in 2015? a 3-4 team?... if so, than we should draft accordingly. I don't think it's as straight forward as that though. Bowles has run a lot of 40 fronts in his time - and if I'm fielding a defense, I think we clearly are better equiped to run a 40 front at the moment. Coples and Ray for example as bookends makes way more sense, than the alternative.
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Post by lileprechaun on Apr 3, 2015 7:26:42 GMT -5
I agree with Fowler, Beasley, Ray at 6 in that order. I keep wondering how to assess the depth of positions that we could use: OLB drops off fast after the early second; WR drifts a little further into the third, but it's definitely tiered between elite and B+ after the first round; RB is pretty deep into the third at least; QB is pretty thin to say the least, even at the top; OL looks good at least into the third. So from a more global perspective in the first three rounds, what's the safest strategy? If Cooper/White and Beasley/Ray are at 6, what's likely left in Round 2 that maximizes quality? I'm leaning WR as the better pick at 6, all things being equal. It may be flat out BPA anyway vs. OLB. I think we can hold off until the third to get an RB, unless somebody like Gurley falls into the early second. I don't think that's going to happen. The second round pick will be very interesting if we go WR in the first: OLB like Harold of Thompson? OG/OT? RB? Or a dangerous flyer on somebody like Hundley... somewhere in this mix teams have to be looking at their valuing of depth in the draft.
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