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Post by yankeejet22 on Apr 11, 2016 8:47:44 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm not from the US and gun violence is a much bigger deal in Australia than it is in the US, but I have to say I'm not seeing the funny side here. I must admit that I don't particularly find the loss of life to violence a topic for cracking jokes. I'm with you on this one. He sounded like a great guy and devoted family man. And he did not do anything to deserve this. Sometimes people use humor to deflect their real feelings. I know I'm guilty of that. But I can't this time. No deflecting here... it was a really joke about a certain Patriot player who liked to shoot & kill people. But, I was wrong... He was a good man, and I shouldn't have.
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Post by Ff2 on Apr 11, 2016 9:14:09 GMT -5
I'm with you on this one. He sounded like a great guy and devoted family man. And he did not do anything to deserve this. Sometimes people use humor to deflect their real feelings. I know I'm guilty of that. But I can't this time. No deflecting here... it was a really joke about a certain Patriot player who liked to shoot & kill people. But, I was wrong... He was a good man, and I shouldn't have. Yeah I get ya. I'm as guilty as the next guy. What might be really sad is we are getting "used" to this kind of stuff. Crazy.
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Post by 2foolish on Apr 11, 2016 9:17:47 GMT -5
gun violence will once again make its cameo...but back story may be about revenge................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Police said Sunday they were investigating whether the shooting that killed former New Orleans Saints defensive back Will Smith was a simple case of road rage or part of a more elaborate revenge plot.
Just hours before the deadly confrontation Saturday night, Smith had dinner with former New Orleans police officer Billy Ceravolo and they were pictured together, The New Orleans Advocate reports. The shooting suspect, 28-year-old Cardell Hayes, had sued the city's police department over a 2005 police shooting that killed his father, naming Ceravolo as one of the defendants.
The suit was settled in 2011. Hayes' attorney described the settlement as "large," the Advocate adds.
Also Sunday, court documents revealed Smith, 34, was shot in the back and side.
Police said they had no indication that Smith and Hayes knew each other before the shooting, which unfolded after Hayes rear-ended the athlete's car. A court magistrate set a $1 million bond for Hayes.
Prosecutors have 60 days to decide whether to charge him formally with murder.
Hayes' Humvee H2 rear-ended Smith's Mercedes G63 around 11:30 p.m. Saturday in the upscale Lower Garden District, pushing it into a Chevrolet Impala driven by two of Smith's acquaintances. The two argued, and Hayes shot both Smith and Smith's wife, Racquel, police said. She was taken to a hospital with a leg wound.
Defense attorney John Fuller asked for low bond Sunday night, noting that Hayes had waited for police, owns a towing business and is raising his 5-year-old son. Magistrate Brigid Collins said she understood but, according to the warrant, "I've also got a gentleman who was shot in the back."
Smith and his wife, who have three children, had been at the French Quarter festival, which features local music and food, in the hours before the shooting. He posted a photo of himself and his wife on Twitter and Instagram with the caption: "Having a blast at the #fqf2016 @frenchquarterfest."
The craah that police said touched off the deadly confrontation was the second within moments, Fuller added.
He said Hayes ran into the back of Smith's Mercedes while following a hit-and-run driver who had rear-ended his Humvee and sped off. Fuller wouldn't say whether Hayes identified the Mercedes as that vehicle.
Hayes is not guilty of murder, and the story is more complex than the police account, Fuller said after the hearing. He said Hayes called 911 after he was hit and convinced a witness who was about to leave to remain and talk to police.
Police spokesman Tyler Gamble told The Associated Press in an email Sunday that he had no immediate information about the witness or the 911 call.
Online court records show Hayes pleaded guilty in 2014 to one count each of possessing an illegal weapon and possessing drug paraphernalia.
The gun he had Sunday was legal, Fuller said, noting that police didn't accuse him of any weapons charge. Gamble said the gun hadn't been reported stolen, but tracing its actual history takes more time.
Smith was beloved by fans for his role in New Orleans' 2009 Super Bowl championship, though the defensive captain also was at the center of the NFL's bounty probe in 2012, the last year he played in an NFL regular season game.
The league concluded that Smith and fellow defensive captain Jonathan Vilma helped run a locker-room pool that paid cash bonuses for heavy and even injurious hits.
Smith successfully appealed a four-game suspension, though coach Sean Payton was suspended the entire 2012 season.
A year earlier, however, Smith served a two-game suspension for using a weight-loss product that included a diuretic banned by the league for masking steroid use.
Smith, a native of Queens, New York, played for Ohio State's 2002 national championship team and graduated in 2005 with a degree in criminology.
New Orleans chose him in the first round of the 2004 draft. He led the Saints with a career-high 13 sacks in 2009. Smith's 67 1/2 career sacks rank fourth in Saints history. The New Orleans Saints Hall of Fame says Smith had been unanimously voted into the hall last month.
Off the field, Smith established a foundation "to motivate, educate and provide opportunities for women and children."
The Smith family said in a statement Sunday that they were thankful for the outpouring of support but requested privacy as they grieve.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Post by porgyman on Apr 11, 2016 10:17:03 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm not from the US and gun violence is a much bigger deal in Australia than it is in the US, but I have to say I'm not seeing the funny side here. I must admit that I don't particularly find the loss of life to violence a topic for cracking jokes. I'm with you on this one. He sounded like a great guy and devoted family man. And he did not do anything to deserve this. Sometimes people use humor to deflect their real feelings. I know I'm guilty of that. But I can't this time. Fully agree with both of you here. Lately this board has taken a disturbing turn. Do I appreciate some off color humor? Yes. However when there are jokes about this stuff, or references in a previous thread to "nig nogs", it crosses a line. We have all lost close people in our lives. There are 3 kids with a dead father and wounded mother. No matter what the circumstances are surrounding this, that is the bottom line. Just my .02
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Apr 11, 2016 11:36:22 GMT -5
Its crazy... now it seems its not so "random" a murder, as they seem to be loosely connected through who they know, as that article above states.
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Post by bxjetfan on Apr 11, 2016 13:03:56 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm not from the US and gun violence is a much bigger deal in Australia than it is in the US, but I have to say I'm not seeing the funny side here. I must admit that I don't particularly find the loss of life to violence a topic for cracking jokes. Don't take this the wrong way but how bout you go fuck yourself.
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Post by 2foolish on Apr 11, 2016 17:27:47 GMT -5
Nah, he won't take it the wrong way...
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Post by PK on Apr 11, 2016 21:41:28 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm not from the US and gun violence is a much bigger deal in Australia than it is in the US, but I have to say I'm not seeing the funny side here. I must admit that I don't particularly find the loss of life to violence a topic for cracking jokes. Don't take this the wrong way but how bout you go fuck yourself. Savage
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Post by thebigragu on Apr 12, 2016 10:51:07 GMT -5
Real People Real Feelings and all that jazz. Kids are getting offed in the streets at about 8 a day here and much more around the world. Innocent children without a chance to even kiss a girl go on a date or even play an organized game of football. So if this guy getting whacked out bothers you emotionally I understand it but it is of little importance to most people who read shit besides the sports page. Carry on though
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Post by iamthewalrus on Apr 12, 2016 16:06:40 GMT -5
I'm with you on this one. He sounded like a great guy and devoted family man. And he did not do anything to deserve this. Sometimes people use humor to deflect their real feelings. I know I'm guilty of that. But I can't this time. Fully agree with both of you here. Lately this board has taken a disturbing turn. Do I appreciate some off color humor? Yes. However when there are jokes about this stuff, or references in a previous thread to " nig nogs", it crosses a line. We have all lost close people in our lives. There are 3 kids with a dead father and wounded mother. No matter what the circumstances are surrounding this, that is the bottom line. Just my .02 You mean to say that nig nogs doesn't refer to a yummy, chocolaty, egg drink consumed around Xmas time?
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Post by Gunnails on Apr 12, 2016 19:52:32 GMT -5
You mean to say that nig nogs doesn't refer to a yummy, chocolaty, egg drink consumed around Xmas time? ===================================== Only if you are Black, I looked it up.
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Post by Hotman on Apr 12, 2016 19:56:03 GMT -5
Fully agree with both of you here. Lately this board has taken a disturbing turn. Do I appreciate some off color humor? Yes. However when there are jokes about this stuff, or references in a previous thread to " nig nogs", it crosses a line. We have all lost close people in our lives. There are 3 kids with a dead father and wounded mother. No matter what the circumstances are surrounding this, that is the bottom line. Just my .02 You mean to say that nig nogs doesn't refer to a yummy, chocolaty, egg drink consumed around Xmas time? Nice racisty shit you got goin on there Walrus. Didn't realize they said shit like that in the UK. I am disappoint in u amigo.
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Post by Gunnails on Apr 12, 2016 20:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by Ff2 on Apr 12, 2016 20:47:31 GMT -5
Real People Real Feelings and all that jazz. Kids are getting offed in the streets at about 8 a day here and much more around the world. Innocent children without a chance to even kiss a girl go on a date or even play an organized game of football. So if this guy getting whacked out bothers you emotionally I understand it but it is of little importance to most people who read shit besides the sports page. Carry on though Shoot me for giving a shit about something.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Apr 13, 2016 2:14:15 GMT -5
Real People Real Feelings and all that jazz. Kids are getting offed in the streets at about 8 a day here and much more around the world. Innocent children without a chance to even kiss a girl go on a date or even play an organized game of football. So if this guy getting whacked out bothers you emotionally I understand it but it is of little importance to most people who read shit besides the sports page. Carry on though Organized youth sports? Fucking nazi.
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