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Post by Sonny Werblin on Apr 30, 2016 8:31:45 GMT -5
I live in Penn State's backyard. While I'm not a Penn State fan, I've had a front-row seat to the debacle that occurred at Penn State with respect to the development of Christian Hackenberg. In his freshman year he was like a sponge. He absorbed everything and anything Bill O'Brien could throw at him. Then, when the sanctions began to take hold and the talent around him greatly diminished and then Bill O'Brien left for the NFL, the wheels fell off. He was no longer a challenge to do more. It's as if the new coaching staff simply believed Hackenberg could raise the level of the team by sheer athletic ability. He was a bad Fit For A Franklin offense which cannot function with a bad offensive line. It was a disaster.
Not once during the year did Hackenberg cast blame on his teammates our coaching staff. While he did so during the draft process, in my opinion this is because he was so frustrated with all of the questions as to why he took so many sacks and why he was not nearly as good the past two years as he was during his freshman year.
The bottom line for me is that when he was coached by an NFL quality coach in an NFL type offense, he excelled. The question with most of these quarterbacks coming out of college is if they can quarterback an NFL offense after having quarterback that college offense. I believe we have that answer with Hackenberg. The only question is whether the past two years have destroyed his confidence so much that he cannot succeed.
If you asked me to bet on it, I would bet on his success. The main thing he needs to fix it this point in time is his accuracy, and as I understand it his accuracy problem developed as a result of the faulty advice he was receiving from his quarterback coach as far as mechanics are concerned. I agree with coach Gruden. The Jets got first-round Talent with a second round choice.
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Post by Yankees45 on Apr 30, 2016 8:43:55 GMT -5
I'm gonna laugh when the kid is actually good and all the hating ass "fans" of this team jumps on his dick like porzingis, that shit is unbelievable, ny sports fans are disgraceful
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Post by Trades on Apr 30, 2016 8:47:53 GMT -5
Good fair article I think. I hope he can figure it out and be the guy we need.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Apr 30, 2016 8:49:24 GMT -5
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Post by Harrier on Apr 30, 2016 8:55:44 GMT -5
I live in Penn State's backyard. While I'm not a Penn State fan, I've had a front-row seat to the debacle that occurred at Penn State with respect to the development of Christian Hackenberg. In his freshman year he was like a sponge. He absorbed everything and anything Bill O'Brien could throw at him. Then, when the sanctions began to take hold and the talent around him greatly diminished and then Bill O'Brien left for the NFL, the wheels fell off. He was no longer a challenge to do more. It's as if the new coaching staff simply believed Hackenberg could raise the level of the team by sheer athletic ability. He was a bad Fit For A Franklin offense which cannot function with a bad offensive line. It was a disaster. Not once during the year did Hackenberg cast blame on his teammates our coaching staff. While he did so during the draft process, in my opinion this is because he was so frustrated with all of the questions as to why he took so many sacks and why he was not nearly as good the past two years as he was during his freshman year. The bottom line for me is that when he was coached by an NFL quality coach in an NFL type offense, he excelled. The question with most of these quarterbacks coming out of college is if they can quarterback an NFL offense after having quarterback that college offense. I believe we have that answer with Hackenberg. The only question is whether the past two years have destroyed his confidence so much that he cannot succeed. If you asked me to bet on it, I would bet on his success. The main thing he needs to fix it this point in time is his accuracy, and as I understand it his accuracy problem developed as a result of the faulty advice he was receiving from his quarterback coach as far as mechanics are concerned. I agree with coach Gruden. The Jets got first-round Talent with a second round choice. That's what I've been reading, those sanctions where designed to bury Penn state football and the kid stayed with the program and took a beating. He's got a brain and an arm, Macc and Bowles believe everything else can be straightened out, I'm excited for the future with this kid, gives us hope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 9:03:55 GMT -5
The bottom line for me is that when he was coached by an NFL quality coach in an NFL type offense, he excelled. The question with most of these quarterbacks coming out of college is if they can quarterback an NFL offense after having quarterback that college offense. I believe we have that answer with Hackenberg. The only question is whether the past two years have destroyed his confidence so much that he cannot succeed. So well put. The moments in the Gruden video are telling as well. That quote VTN pulled about his pre-snap foot placement in the shotgun - "I was asked to do it so I did it". Any poker player worth his salt could read the look on his face and see what he was really thinking - "I didn't agree with it, I thought it was wrong, but it's not my job to question my coaches." This pick has my head spinning. I'm sick to my stomach but still, of all the developmental QBs in this draft he's probably got the best chance to develop because of his experience and past success in a pro style offense. My my only hope is that the CS and FO stick to thier guns and let this kid sit and develop for a year before throwing him into the fire. They also need to rebuild the o-line. Let's hope we spend some 2017 free agent money on that before we see him under center in Sept 2017.
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Post by cmart on Apr 30, 2016 9:04:43 GMT -5
Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer
In his "Way-Too-Early" mock draft for 2016, posted last May, ESPN analyst Todd McShay had QB Christian Hackenberg going No. 1 overall to the Redskins. He had the Jets taking a quarterback at No. 7 -- Cardale Jones.
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Post by nocomment on Apr 30, 2016 9:19:38 GMT -5
I posted this video in another thread, but it's a really good breakdown of Hack:
Good example starts at round 4:20.
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Post by cmart on Apr 30, 2016 9:23:24 GMT -5
The bottom line for me is that when he was coached by an NFL quality coach in an NFL type offense, he excelled. The question with most of these quarterbacks coming out of college is if they can quarterback an NFL offense after having quarterback that college offense. I believe we have that answer with Hackenberg. The only question is whether the past two years have destroyed his confidence so much that he cannot succeed. So well put. The moments in the Gruden video are telling as well. That quote VTN pulled about his pre-snap foot placement in the shotgun - "I was asked to do it so I did it". Any poker player worth his salt could read the look on his face and see what he was really thinking - "I didn't agree with it, I thought it was wrong, but it's not my job to question my coaches." This pick has my head spinning. I'm sick to my stomach but still, of all the developmental QBs in this draft he's probably got the best chance to develop because of his experience and past success in a pro style offense. My my only hope is that the CS and FO stick to thier guns and let this kid sit and develop for a year before throwing him into the fire. They also need to rebuild the o-line. Let's hope we spend some 2017 free agent money on that before we see him under center in Sept 2017. After reading the various articles and watching the gruden camp video it's pretty obvious this kid, repeat KID, would be a prime candidate for a change of scenery / transfer to another college with the benefit of the redshirt year to just clear his head. So as been said, hopefully the Jets allow him this redshirt year to "clear his head", clean up & correct his flaws and observe how it is to be a NFL QB in NY. We don't need another rookie QB thrown to the wolves i.e. NFL defenses & NY media like Sanchez & Geno were.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 30, 2016 9:26:27 GMT -5
The bottom line for me is that when he was coached by an NFL quality coach in an NFL type offense, he excelled. The question with most of these quarterbacks coming out of college is if they can quarterback an NFL offense after having quarterback that college offense. I believe we have that answer with Hackenberg. The only question is whether the past two years have destroyed his confidence so much that he cannot succeed. So well put. The moments in the Gruden video are telling as well. That quote VTN pulled about his pre-snap foot placement in the shotgun - "I was asked to do it so I did it". Any poker player worth his salt could read the look on his face and see what he was really thinking - "I didn't agree with it, I thought it was wrong, but it's not my job to question my coaches." This pick has my head spinning. I'm sick to my stomach but still, of all the developmental QBs in this draft he's probably got the best chance to develop because of his experience and past success in a pro style offense. My my only hope is that the CS and FO stick to thier guns and let this kid sit and develop for a year before throwing him into the fire. They also need to rebuild the o-line. Let's hope we spend some 2017 free agent money on that before we see him under center in Sept 2017. The blasé scouts are just judging and destroying him based on what they see on tape just judging him and that's all good and well, but if you are gonna judge him then judge the whole system and program, judge the porous protection and receivers running the wrong routes etc not just one man in a situation. Penn's offense was an absolute disaster from top to bottom and I think Macc sees their program as an injustice to Hackenberg
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Post by rangerous on Apr 30, 2016 9:45:50 GMT -5
This guy was reading defenses and audibled into other plays at Penn State. He also adjusted protections at the line. The word is that he's a football genius and will swallow the playbook in a few weeks. He was better under Center then he was in the shotgun.So he was great at everything that gives every college QB problems in the NFL. He was coached three different ways in three years on his footwork. I mean everyone wants the 65% high TD low INT yardage compiler. That wasn't Hack. We got a guy that played on a Penn State team after their scholarships were reduced because of that Sandusky shit. So the talent around him was an issue. And Penn States schedule didn't change after that so his competition wasn't cake. Apparently he was the consensus No 1 High school prospect. He was also sacked over 100 times in three years. If this guy isn't shell shocked like David Carr and he responds to some good coaching, we might have something here. this softens it a bit. the big knock on genot is that he doesn't have it between the ears, that is a lot football sense. if this guy has the sense of fitz along with his better arm then the jets may have done well.
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Post by nocomment on Apr 30, 2016 9:50:03 GMT -5
I have a hunch that drafting Hack means we will definitely bring back Fitz--to start, and to mentor.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 30, 2016 9:58:13 GMT -5
I have a hunch that drafting Hack means we will definitely bring back Fitz--to start, and to mentor. I can live with that because we have a legitimate QB to groom. So glad our GM had the balls to go get his guy and stand by his evaluation and workouts on him. We have Fitz who is smart but is physically limited. Geno who is physically gifted but dumb as rock and a terrible leader. Now hack who is physically talented but also a smart cookie. Love our draft.
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Post by carlito1171 on Apr 30, 2016 10:03:39 GMT -5
I have a hunch that drafting Hack means we will definitely bring back Fitz--to start, and to mentor. I can live with that because we have a legitimate QB to groom. So glad our GM had the balls to go get his guy and stand by his evaluation and workouts on him. We have Fitz who is smart but is physically limited. Geno who is physically gifted but dumb as rock and a terrible leader. Now hack who is physically talented but also a smart cookie. Love our draft. Gotta give Mac credit for sticking with his guns and going to get the guy HE likes. This was a well thought out decision. They spent a lot of time with Hack and dissecting his 3 years at PSU.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 30, 2016 10:07:45 GMT -5
I can live with that because we have a legitimate QB to groom. So glad our GM had the balls to go get his guy and stand by his evaluation and workouts on him. We have Fitz who is smart but is physically limited. Geno who is physically gifted but dumb as rock and a terrible leader. Now hack who is physically talented but also a smart cookie. Love our draft. Gotta give Mac credit for sticking with his guns and going to get the guy HE likes. This was a well thought out decision. They spent a lot of time with Hack and dissecting his 3 years at PSU. Now the dust has settled and I'm not being spoon fed media opinion the more I love it, Macc stuck to HIS evaluation and never gave in too fan or media pressure to take Lynch. Gotta love the Balls to go out and say fuck you I trust my own judgment. If you watch the presser last night you can see Bowles and Macc are shoulder to shoulder on this pick aswell.
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