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Post by Harrier on Dec 18, 2016 0:02:29 GMT -5
I get this. We're at least a 2-3 rebuild with a good GM and he didn't get to pick his own coach. However, I know this is harder said than done, but I wish some GMs would realize they're not getting fired after one year. Stop going for 1-2 year fixes. I applaud what he did in his first year, but it was extremely short sighted. He should have targeted more long term solutions. Also as you know I'm know I'm not a fan of his drafts, but that's open to debate. It's just how I feel. I agree on the quick fix part, and wish he just had gutted it to begin with. I guess in my head that always came from Woody. I thought I had read that, but could be making it up. As far as his drafts, I think it's the guys that aren't contributing per their draft slot(Smith and Hack) sour people on some of the picks he's made. I think he's assembled some solid contributors, and I'm higher on Lee than most, but he certainly isn't in "bust" territory. A 4-12 team needs day one starters not contributors, everyone else can do it, why can't we.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 18, 2016 0:02:58 GMT -5
I get this. We're at least a 2-3 rebuild with a good GM and he didn't get to pick his own coach. However, I know this is harder said than done, but I wish some GMs would realize they're not getting fired after one year. Stop going for 1-2 year fixes. I applaud what he did in his first year, but it was extremely short sighted. He should have targeted more long term solutions. Also as you know I'm know I'm not a fan of his drafts, but that's open to debate. It's just how I feel. I agree on the quick fix part, and wish he just had gutted it to begin with. I guess in my head that always came from Woody. I thought I had read that, but could be making it up. As far as his drafts, I think it's the guys that aren't contributing per their draft slot(Smith and Hack) sour people on some of the picks he's made. I think he's assembled some solid contributors, and I'm higher on Lee than most, but he certainly isn't in "bust" territory. I use to defend Woody because he's willing to spend money. However, I think he's just dumb and has bad timing. He either interferes too much or takes the no hands on approach. He's not able to read the situation or fan base.
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Post by RobR on Dec 18, 2016 0:03:28 GMT -5
There are no quick fixes for this team. Keep whatever is worth keeping and toss the shit out. Completely agreed. I can only hope Macc can convince woody of that. As Hollywood said, this team is at least 2 solid draft/FA classes away, probably 3. I don't even know if Macc has that much rope. We could have said the same thing two years ago when Mac took over.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 18, 2016 0:04:27 GMT -5
Not to mention those stomach patches are the silliest looking shit I've ever seen integrated into a uniform. Everyone has them now, but ours stick out like a sore thumb as soon as dudes start to sweat. I always thought we looked like fat pigs wearing the Nike jerseys. That stomach patch is so unflattering.
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 18, 2016 0:06:17 GMT -5
I agree on the quick fix part, and wish he just had gutted it to begin with. I guess in my head that always came from Woody. I thought I had read that, but could be making it up. As far as his drafts, I think it's the guys that aren't contributing per their draft slot(Smith and Hack) sour people on some of the picks he's made. I think he's assembled some solid contributors, and I'm higher on Lee than most, but he certainly isn't in "bust" territory. I use to defend Woody because he's willing to spend money. However, I think he's just dumb and has bad timing. He either interferes too much or takes the no hands on approach. He's not able to read the situation or fan base. Biggest problem I have with Woody is that he has both Macc and Bowles reporting to him. He is not a football guy. There is no single voice that is running this team. If Macc and Bowles are back, I would like to see Woody bring in a head of football operations that Macc and Bowles report to, or put Macc in charge.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 18, 2016 0:06:19 GMT -5
I'm tired of this narrative. Instead why don't you tell me what he's done to EARN his job in 2017 at however many millions his salary is. Honestly, if this was a performance evaluation, what has he done to merit sticking around? It's a legitimate question. How long do you think is a reasonable timeframe to rebuild a roster? That's his job. To build a winning roster. If you think 2 years is enough to do so from the point where he took over, then your stance carries more weight. To answer your question, to degrees, I think Williams(superstar), Anderson, Peake, Jenkins, Lee, Mauldin, Burris and Simon,are positive additions, or have at least flashed enough that they can be given a few years to develop before they are graded. What about my post presented as quasi legit? I'm not daft. I understand expectations need to be tempered. A handful of mid round picks who are doing "OK" is not something to hang your hat on as proof, when we're in debatebly worse shape than we were two years ago.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 18, 2016 0:10:55 GMT -5
Biggest problem I have with Woody is that he has both Macc and Bowles reporting to him. He is not a football guy. There is no single voice that is running this team. If Macc and Bowles are back, I would like to see Woody bring in a head of football operations that Macc and Bowles report to, or put Macc in charge. Agreed. I wish he could have gotten Ron Wolf to take over. Fuck Charley Casserly. He's overrated as fuck.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 18, 2016 0:12:09 GMT -5
I agree on the quick fix part, and wish he just had gutted it to begin with. I guess in my head that always came from Woody. I thought I had read that, but could be making it up. As far as his drafts, I think it's the guys that aren't contributing per their draft slot(Smith and Hack) sour people on some of the picks he's made. I think he's assembled some solid contributors, and I'm higher on Lee than most, but he certainly isn't in "bust" territory. A 4-12 team needs day one starters not contributors, everyone else can do it, why can't we. Lee, Williams, Jenkins, Mauldin are all in that category. That's 4 picks of 6 out of rounds 1-3 in his first 2 drafts. 1 guy was derailed by injuries(some say he wouldn't pan out anyway) and the other is a guy that wasn't going to play this year anyway. Not going to say the Hack pick isn't very questionable. I guess the point I'm trying to get at is it seems to me like people get up in arms because a guy like Mauldin for example isn't a high level starter, but to me , last year, he was right about where he should be expected.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 18, 2016 0:16:52 GMT -5
Biggest problem I have with Woody is that he has both Macc and Bowles reporting to him. He is not a football guy. There is no single voice that is running this team. If Macc and Bowles are back, I would like to see Woody bring in a head of football operations that Macc and Bowles report to, or put Macc in charge. Agreed. I wish he could have gotten Ron Wolf to take over. Fuck Charley Casserly. He's overrated as fuck. Saw something on Twitter earlier today that Woody has spoken with Mike Holmgren about taking a role with the team if Woody is named Ambassador to the UK. Supposedly Holmgren has said he would accept. Not entirely sure how I would feel. I loved Holmgren as a coach, but he didn't exactly work wonders for the Browns when he was running the whole show. Then again, they're the Browns.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 18, 2016 0:19:56 GMT -5
A 4-12 team needs day one starters not contributors, everyone else can do it, why can't we. Lee, Williams, Jenkins, Mauldin are all in that category. That's 4 picks of 6 out of rounds 1-3 in his first 2 drafts. 1 guy was derailed by injuries(some say he wouldn't pan out anyway) and the other is a guy that wasn't going to play this year anyway. Not going to say the Hack pick isn't very questionable. I guess the point I'm trying to get at is it seems to me like people get up in arms because a guy like Mauldin for example isn't a high level starter, but to me , last year, he was right about where he should be expected. The problem is Williams is the only different maker. When you have 12-13 picks in two drafts you should be able to get more than one player that contributes on every snap. Leo is the only player we've drafted that can play every down. Lee has shown flashes. I even said tonight he's great at reading plays in the flat, but I don't think his play has warranted where he got drafted. Jenkins and Mauldin are nice players, but they're not special. Every team has 10+ players just like them. They're a dime a dozen and great depth. Macc has at least done a so so job of building our depth which Idzik was terrible at.
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Post by shea319now314 on Dec 18, 2016 0:20:03 GMT -5
So as I drop my wife off in front of Trader Joe's before I spy a MILF walking across the parking lot with her 10-12 year old son who's wearing a Dolphins baseball cap. As they cross in front of me I make direct eye contact with both of them and scream out FUCK THE FISH. It was worth it to watch the MILF grab her sons hand and scurry in front of me to go in the store. I hope someday, when something like this happens again, the uppity female fins fan and her son beats the living pulp out of you while your kids watch and cry and your wife wails for the bitch to stop turning your ribs into broken bones. Then she calls your wife an ugly cunt while you're still trying to count your teeth laying in a pool of your own blood. Karma. Asshole, that will never happen you know why! I'm not a British Fag excuse me I meant Dicksucker
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 18, 2016 0:21:26 GMT -5
Agreed. I wish he could have gotten Ron Wolf to take over. Fuck Charley Casserly. He's overrated as fuck. Saw something on Twitter earlier today that Woody has spoken with Mike Holmgren about taking a role with the team if Woody is named Ambassador to the UK. Supposedly Holmgren has said he would accept. Not entirely sure how I would feel. I loved Holmgren as a coach, but he didn't exactly work wonders for the Browns when he was running the whole show. Then again, they're the Browns. Idk if I'd like him. I think the game has passed him. I would have let him build my team back in the day and then fired his ass.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 18, 2016 0:21:31 GMT -5
Come to think of it...didn't Woody want Holmgren as HC before he hired Bowles?
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 18, 2016 0:22:19 GMT -5
Agreed. I wish he could have gotten Ron Wolf to take over. Fuck Charley Casserly. He's overrated as fuck. Saw something on Twitter earlier today that Woody has spoken with Mike Holmgren about taking a role with the team if Woody is named Ambassador to the UK. Supposedly Holmgren has said he would accept. Not entirely sure how I would feel. I loved Holmgren as a coach, but he didn't exactly work wonders for the Browns when he was running the whole show. Then again, they're the Browns. I would trust him picking a head coach that could groom a QB. The scouting part would be question mark.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 18, 2016 0:28:05 GMT -5
Lee, Williams, Jenkins, Mauldin are all in that category. That's 4 picks of 6 out of rounds 1-3 in his first 2 drafts. 1 guy was derailed by injuries(some say he wouldn't pan out anyway) and the other is a guy that wasn't going to play this year anyway. Not going to say the Hack pick isn't very questionable. I guess the point I'm trying to get at is it seems to me like people get up in arms because a guy like Mauldin for example isn't a high level starter, but to me , last year, he was right about where he should be expected. The problem is Williams is the only different maker. When you have 12-13 picks in two drafts you should be able to get more than one player that contributes on every snap. Leo is the only player we've drafted that can play every down. Lee has shown flashes. I even said tonight he's great at reading plays in the flat, but I don't think his play has warranted where he got drafted. Jenkins and Mauldin are nice players, but they're not special. Every team has 10+ players just like them. They're a dime a dozen and great depth. Macc has at least done a so so job of building our depth which Idzik was terrible at. That's kind of the point I'm trying to make, just not spitting out my words well tonight. I don't disagree that you need playmakers/special talents.. But I do disagree that people should view it as a negative that Mauldin or Jenkins aren't anything more than OK starters. 3rd round difference makers aren't running around all over the NFL. Quite frankly, 2nd round ones aren't as much as is implied either. I won't argue his 2nd Rd picks so far have done nothing to improve the product. Those seem to be misses, but Williams is a home run, and Lee might be good. He's been up and down, but has to be better to fill his draft slot. I won't pretend I don't see some of the concern with Mac, but I just personally don't view it as poorly as some.
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