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Post by Trades on Sept 18, 2017 9:40:10 GMT -5
Idk. I see a plan that is really coming together. After the failed shot taken to win with the vets and cap room Mac inherited, Mac has the team set to finally land a franchise QB and have a young team with a ton of cap room. Everyone wants to get rid of Mac because the team will be teed up for success next season. But, who put them in that position? I don't see it as a plan that has come together -- I see a team that is completely devoid of talent at any key positions as the result of a plan that has failed. Macc's whole idea of a competitive rebuild -- bring in veterans who can compete while restocking the roster through the draft with young guys who can step in for those veterans as they decline. Well, we had a nice run but fell short in 2015, the veterans have declined and moved on, but there is no little young talent on the roster to replace them. The plan failed and left them in a position where the only logical approach is to clean house and start over. Macc has torn it down, but is he the right guy to build it back up. Personally, as of now, I don't think so, but I am willing to wait out this season and re-evaluate Macc when the season ends. The OL has been better than expected -- I thought Beachum and Shell held up pretty well against Mack and Irvin and the OL in general opened up holes in the running game this week. That is a positive, as was the play of the two rookie safeties. I might feel differently about Macc if the OL comes together during the season, if one or two of the young WRs (Anderson, Peake, Stewart, Marhsall, Hansen) step up and prove to be legitimate weapons that would be solid 2s or 3s on other, if we find an edge rusher, if Claiborne proves to be a solid (injury free) CB1, if a legit CB2 emerges from Burris/Williams/Roberts. Those are the type of things I would need to see to agree with you that a plan is coming together. Not all of them need to work out, but if we end the season feeling like we have answers in a couple of these areas, I might feel differently, but as of now, I have little confidence in Macc as the guy to oversee the build part of the rebuild. Tearing it down is easy, putting it back together is hard. All Macc has done so far is tear it down. I think it was the right plan just poorly executed. I don't see Mac as the guy that should be running the draft. This could be make or break for the next 5 - 10 years and I honestly don't think we can trust Mac to make the right picks. My current joke to all my friends right now is..."And with the first pick in the 2018 NFL Draft the NY Jets select Kicker...." I don't know who the right GM is but I would have to assume you need to look in the trees of the top franchises. The ones that have been consistently getting the best picks and free agents while keeping the team out of cap hell. Look at the Steelers, Packers & Atlanta or teams that are successfully rebuilding like Tampa or Oakland.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 18, 2017 10:31:04 GMT -5
I don't see it as a plan that has come together -- I see a team that is completely devoid of talent at any key positions as the result of a plan that has failed. Macc's whole idea of a competitive rebuild -- bring in veterans who can compete while restocking the roster through the draft with young guys who can step in for those veterans as they decline. Well, we had a nice run but fell short in 2015, the veterans have declined and moved on, but there is no little young talent on the roster to replace them. The plan failed and left them in a position where the only logical approach is to clean house and start over. Macc has torn it down, but is he the right guy to build it back up. Personally, as of now, I don't think so, but I am willing to wait out this season and re-evaluate Macc when the season ends. The OL has been better than expected -- I thought Beachum and Shell held up pretty well against Mack and Irvin and the OL in general opened up holes in the running game this week. That is a positive, as was the play of the two rookie safeties. I might feel differently about Macc if the OL comes together during the season, if one or two of the young WRs (Anderson, Peake, Stewart, Marhsall, Hansen) step up and prove to be legitimate weapons that would be solid 2s or 3s on other, if we find an edge rusher, if Claiborne proves to be a solid (injury free) CB1, if a legit CB2 emerges from Burris/Williams/Roberts. Those are the type of things I would need to see to agree with you that a plan is coming together. Not all of them need to work out, but if we end the season feeling like we have answers in a couple of these areas, I might feel differently, but as of now, I have little confidence in Macc as the guy to oversee the build part of the rebuild. Tearing it down is easy, putting it back together is hard. All Macc has done so far is tear it down. I think it was the right plan just poorly executed. I don't see Mac as the guy that should be running the draft. This could be make or break for the next 5 - 10 years and I honestly don't think we can trust Mac to make the right picks. My current joke to all my friends right now is..."And with the first pick in the 2018 NFL Draft the NY Jets select Kicker...." I don't know who the right GM is but I would have to assume you need to look in the trees of the top franchises. The ones that have been consistently getting the best picks and free agents while keeping the team out of cap hell. Look at the Steelers, Packers & Atlanta or teams that are successfully rebuilding like Tampa or Oakland. We picked Mac from an organization that has drafted as well as the other teams you mentioned with the exception of finding a QB.
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Post by MDL JET on Sept 18, 2017 11:13:15 GMT -5
Idk. I see a plan that is really coming together. After the failed shot taken to win with the vets and cap room Mac inherited, Mac has the team set to finally land a franchise QB and have a young team with a ton of cap room. Everyone wants to get rid of Mac because the team will be teed up for success next season. But, who put them in that position? I don't see it as a plan that is coming together -- I see a team that is completely devoid of talent at any key positions as the result of a plan that has failed. Macc's whole idea of a competitive rebuild -- bring in veterans who can compete while restocking the roster through the draft with young guys who can step in for those veterans as they decline. Well, we had a nice run but fell short in 2015, the veterans have declined and moved on, but there is little young talent on the roster to replace them. The plan failed and left them in a position where the only logical approach is to clean house and start over. Macc has torn it down, but is he the right guy to build it back up. Personally, as of now, I don't think so, but I am willing to wait out this season and re-evaluate Macc when the season ends. The OL has been better than expected -- I thought Beachum and Shell held up pretty well against Mack and Irvin and the OL in general opened up holes in the running game this week. That is a positive, as was the play of the two rookie safeties. I might feel differently about Macc if the OL comes together during the season, if one or two of the young WRs (Anderson, Peake, Stewart, Marhsall, Hansen) step up and prove to be legitimate weapons that would be solid 2s or 3s, if we find an edge rusher, if Claiborne proves to be a solid (injury free) CB1, if a legit CB2 emerges from Burris/Williams/Roberts. Those are the type of things I would need to see to agree with you that a plan is coming together. Not all of them need to work out, but if we end the season feeling like we have answers in a couple of these areas, I might feel differently, but as of now, I have little confidence in Macc as the guy to oversee the build part of the rebuild. Tearing it down is easy, putting it back together is hard. All Macc has done so far is tear it down. That's all on Bowles now. And unfortunately he has Kerley playing the majority of snaps over those young guys. Just another reason why he's so fucking awful. Playing Forte over Powell and McGuire. Bowles holds this team back more then anyone. I just hope at some point this season when they're 1-6, that they turn in to full fledge evaluation mode.
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 18, 2017 11:22:27 GMT -5
Mac is bad. Needs to be told he cannot sign any players to extensions during the season and needs to be fired after the season.
Idzik is an all-time bad GM. Not just for the Jets, but for the league. "This is our coach". Still makes me sick.
Bowles is not a NFL HC. We have become experts at recognizing this. There are only 32 such jobs and about half of those might be qualified. That said, if he is fired before the end of the season I will be pissed. I want 14 more no-doubters and a beautiful #1 overall pick for our next ex-HC/GM duo.
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Post by shakin on Sept 18, 2017 11:40:24 GMT -5
Idk. I see a plan that is really coming together. After the failed shot taken to win with the vets and cap room Mac inherited, Mac has the team set to finally land a franchise QB and have a young team with a ton of cap room. Everyone wants to get rid of Mac because the team will be teed up for success next season. But, who put them in that position? Too many of our fan base forgets that dumb shit Woody, hired the HC BEFORE the GM. he made his decisions based on the advice of ron wolf and charley casserly, who i wouldn't be surprised to learn were getting paid under the table by kraft and Belidick during the process
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Post by sec.101row23 on Sept 18, 2017 11:50:34 GMT -5
I don't want to see a competitive losing team, or hear about how the players "didn't quit on the HC". I want an incredibly bad, non-competitive team that leaves no doubt about cleaning house next year. 0-16, scorched earth debacle is what is needed. If that happens you will have the cleanest of slates to start over with a new regime.
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Post by Hotman on Sept 18, 2017 12:58:52 GMT -5
I don't want to see a competitive losing team, or hear about how the players "didn't quit on the HC". I want an incredibly bad, non-competitive team that leaves no doubt about cleaning house next year. 0-16, scorched earth debacle is what is needed. If that happens you will have the cleanest of slates to start over with a new regime. Telling all of you RIGHT NOW. ONE fuckin win and this shit team is picking 3rd in the draft
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Post by Gunnails on Sept 18, 2017 13:14:59 GMT -5
Mac got a 2nd for Sheldon, I think if Snacks was still here that Lee would look a lot better,, I'm not so sure Wilk is mailing it in. The revis signing was bad but who knew he was going to fall off aa cliff. Bowels was foisted on Mac, and I think Bowels is a good D Coordinator but this stoic shit is boring and he needs to go.
What system is Mac drafting for with this constant change at O coordinator?
Continuity is real, and although I am fine with booting Bowles, I would keep Mac untill the new coach position is settled at least.
This is a gift of a season where we can divest our emotions from needing to win, we need to lose and we are, we knew the Jets would be shitty and they are, so no angst from me.
There could be a bright future ahead and I am sure Mac is competent enough to pick Sam.
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Post by fullblast on Sept 18, 2017 13:23:54 GMT -5
I don't want to see a competitive losing team, or hear about how the players "didn't quit on the HC". I want an incredibly bad, non-competitive team that leaves no doubt about cleaning house next year. 0-16, scorched earth debacle is what is needed. If that happens you will have the cleanest of slates to start over with a new regime. I just don't think that starting over is the answer, especially if we go for another first-time GM/HC combo. I wouldn't cry if they canned Bowles but another front office overhaul is just asking for more pain. Mac just finished installing his scouting/personnel staff last-season, do we really want to start that whole process again? Or are we going to stick the new guy with Mac's holdovers? Neither of those options seem appealing to me. Bowles is almost certainly gone at this rate, so I think a coaching staff overhaul is enough turmoil for one off-season. Turning over both the CS and FO again is just asking for more disfunction. If they're going to make a move, they should at the least bring in a head of operations who actually knows football to serve above Mac. Let him assess the situation and decide on a direction after next year. The last thing we need is Woody's brother performing a head coach and GM search.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 18, 2017 13:44:48 GMT -5
Mac got a 2nd for Sheldon, I think if Snacks was still here that Lee would look a lot better,, I'm not so sure Wilk is mailing it in. The revis signing was bad but who knew he was going to fall off aa cliff. Bowels was foisted on Mac, and I think Bowels is a good D Coordinator but this stoic shit is boring and he needs to go. What system is Mac drafting for with this constant change at O coordinator? Continuity is real, and although I am fine with booting Bowles, I would keep Mac untill the new coach position is settled at least. This is a gift of a season where we can divest our emotions from needing to win, we need to lose and we are, we knew the Jets would be shitty and they are, so no angst from me. There could be a bright future ahead and I am sure Mac is competent enough to pick Sam.I was just thinking what that would be like? Jets with the #1 pick and the commish announces Darnold (or Rosen whoever deserves it) being picked by the Jets. My God, the elation. It is difficult to imagine the Jets causing me to feel that much joy.
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Post by quantum on Sept 18, 2017 14:18:55 GMT -5
whats with all the fuckin bitchin and moaning? We've lost both games by more than one possession. We've looked like shit. Chargers need to step up their game so we can lose to them also.
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Post by shakin on Sept 18, 2017 14:21:13 GMT -5
Mac got a 2nd for Sheldon, I think if Snacks was still here that Lee would look a lot better,, I'm not so sure Wilk is mailing it in. The revis signing was bad but who knew he was going to fall off aa cliff. Bowels was foisted on Mac, and I think Bowels is a good D Coordinator but this stoic shit is boring and he needs to go. What system is Mac drafting for with this constant change at O coordinator? Continuity is real, and although I am fine with booting Bowles, I would keep Mac untill the new coach position is settled at least. This is a gift of a season where we can divest our emotions from needing to win, we need to lose and we are, we knew the Jets would be shitty and they are, so no angst from me. There could be a bright future ahead and I am sure Mac is competent enough to pick Sam.I was just thinking what that would be like? Jets with the #1 pick and the commish announces Darnold (or Rosen whoever deserves it) being picked by the Jets. My God, the elation. It is difficult to imagine the Jets causing me to feel that much joy. oh yes to me it will be like imagining what it must have felt like to be chargers/giants fans when manning and leaf were picked then i'll be like oh shit, that's right, leaf oh no oh no no no but yeah, history repeating and what not because jets which fine young man will they doom
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Post by Peebag on Sept 18, 2017 14:30:51 GMT -5
Go Jets!
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Post by JStokes on Sept 18, 2017 14:40:05 GMT -5
Mac got a 2nd for Sheldon, I think if Snacks was still here that Lee would look a lot better,, I'm not so sure Wilk is mailing it in. The revis signing was bad but who knew he was going to fall off aa cliff. Bowels was foisted on Mac, and I think Bowels is a good D Coordinator but this stoic shit is boring and he needs to go. What system is Mac drafting for with this constant change at O coordinator? Continuity is real, and although I am fine with booting Bowles, I would keep Mac untill the new coach position is settled at least. This is a gift of a season where we can divest our emotions from needing to win, we need to lose and we are, we knew the Jets would be shitty and they are, so no angst from me. There could be a bright future ahead and I am sure Mac is competent enough to pick Sam.I was just thinking what that would be like? Jets with the #1 pick and the commish announces Darnold (or Rosen whoever deserves it) being picked by the Jets. My God, the elation. It is difficult to imagine the Jets causing me to feel that much joy. Kind of the opposite emotion I felt when Peyton had his press conference and announced he was going back to Tenn for his senior year. I was at home recuperating from some minor surgery and I remember laying it bed all excited only to be completely let down, flabbergasted. _
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Post by Lithfan on Sept 18, 2017 16:26:49 GMT -5
I was just thinking what that would be like? Jets with the #1 pick and the commish announces Darnold (or Rosen whoever deserves it) being picked by the Jets. My God, the elation. It is difficult to imagine the Jets causing me to feel that much joy. Kind of the opposite emotion I felt when Peyton had his press conference and announced he was going back to Tenn for his senior year. I was at home recuperating from some minor surgery and I remember laying it bed all excited only to be completely let down, flabbergasted. _ This is one of the reasons I don't want to study the QB prospects in too much detail right now. Just going to watch and enjoy the games. I will start watching game tape and stuff once the players declare. Don't want to fall in love with a prospect just to find out he is going to stay in school.
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