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Post by Bavarian on Jan 7, 2015 22:32:30 GMT -5
Nice mock draft. I'll put mine out soon. I'm surprised you don't have another safety to play coverage (FS) to mask Pryor's shortcomings. Is Allen really a starter? I don't think you can solve every area of need in one offseason. I'm more concerned about the corners than I am the safety position. True that. One more thing I just noticed is Mo at DE. Mine will be different. I don't believe he can play there but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they utterly dominate. I'd be concerned about sealing the edge with him. Also, great idea with Thurmond in addition to Maxwell as he's relatively cheap insurance and played in Quinn's defense. Could be our new nickel. Another consideration is with Quinn, he may not take kindly to what Harvin created in Seattle. He may be the first cut. |
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Post by RobR on Jan 7, 2015 22:56:54 GMT -5
I don't believe he can play there but maybe I'm wrong. He could easily play the strong side in a 4-3 DE alignment. Probably not his greatest position, but his scheme versatility is what makes him so valuable. |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 7, 2015 23:21:07 GMT -5
I don't believe he can play there but maybe I'm wrong. He could easily play the strong side in a 4-3 DE alignment. Probably not his greatest position, but his scheme versatility is what makes him so valuable. Easily? If it were so easy we would see more 300+ DE's playing a 4-3. There are reasons that's not the case. But you're right in that if this is possible it would be on the strong side. Wilk is is scheme versatile switching from 3-4 DE to 4-3 DT but not to be confused with the 4-3 DE. |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 8, 2015 11:37:28 GMT -5
I missed that in UT's final roster -- ya, I can't imagine Mo lining up at DE regularly - he's 4-3 DT for sure. I mean, could he? Sure, probably. But you're wasting his a lot of his talent there. Honestly, that's where Coples has been at his statistical best as well; DT
Harrison is on the pine, and you're looking for Shane Ray to step in on the Outside (that'd be my pick over Winston).
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Post by Touchable on Jan 8, 2015 11:42:51 GMT -5
He could easily play the strong side in a 4-3 DE alignment. Probably not his greatest position, but his scheme versatility is what makes him so valuable. Easily? If it were so easy we would see more 300+ DE's playing a 4-3. There are reasons that's not the case. But you're right in that if this is possible it would be on the strong side. Wilk is is scheme versatile switching from 3-4 DE to 4-3 DT but not to be confused with the 4-3 DE. Dan Quinn had a 340 lb Red Bryant playing defensive end last year and the move helped resurrect his career. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 8, 2015 11:55:41 GMT -5
Easily? If it were so easy we would see more 300+ DE's playing a 4-3. There are reasons that's not the case. But you're right in that if this is possible it would be on the strong side. Wilk is is scheme versatile switching from 3-4 DE to 4-3 DT but not to be confused with the 4-3 DE. Dan Quinn had a 340 lb Red Bryant playing defensive end last year and the move helped resurrect his career. If you look at what Seattle does with their D line, Wilkerson would fit in fine at DE. As long as you upgrade your OLBs you can have a ton of versatility. On passing downs and in nickel situations they move Bryant inside and use Bruce Irvin as a D end, the key is your LBers. |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 8, 2015 12:00:12 GMT -5
Dan Quinn had a 340 lb Red Bryant playing defensive end last year and the move helped resurrect his career. If you look at what Seattle does with their D line, Wilkerson would fit in fine at DE. As long as you upgrade your OLBs you can have a ton of versatility. On passing downs and in nickel situations they move Bryant inside and use Bruce Irvin as a D end, the key is your LBers. Agreed If Quinn is indeed the guy and wants to transition to more of a 4-3, then you let Harris walk and totally overhaul the OLB spots. Someone like Bruce Carter in FA and Jake Ryan, Paul Dawson or Eric Striker in the 3rd round of the draft. And does anyone think that Demario Davis could play on the outside? If so, I wouldn't mind drafting a kid like Perryman at the top of the 2nd to play in the middle. |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 8, 2015 12:18:26 GMT -5
he played outside in College didn't he
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 8, 2015 12:31:47 GMT -5
he played outside in College didn't he He did. |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 8, 2015 12:40:56 GMT -5
he played outside in College didn't he He did. Sweet Davis, Perryman, Carter Sounds pretty damn good to me. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 8, 2015 12:45:36 GMT -5
Sweet Davis, Perryman, Carter Sounds pretty damn good to me. I still prefer Davis inside, he hasn't been great in coverage. The trio of Carter, Davis and Dawson would be pretty nice. |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 8, 2015 16:18:42 GMT -5
Easily? If it were so easy we would see more 300+ DE's playing a 4-3. There are reasons that's not the case. But you're right in that if this is possible it would be on the strong side. Wilk is is scheme versatile switching from 3-4 DE to 4-3 DT but not to be confused with the 4-3 DE. Dan Quinn had a 340 lb Red Bryant playing defensive end last year and the move helped resurrect his career. That's true and Mario Williams does the same but these are the exceptions although with Quinn having done this and with the likelihood he's the next HC, this could happen. That said, I still think he's going to be way too expensive when you combine looming extensions for Richardson and Harrison. |
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Post by RobR on Jan 8, 2015 20:25:40 GMT -5
Easily? If it were so easy we would see more 300+ DE's playing a 4-3. There are reasons that's not the case. But you're right in that if this is possible it would be on the strong side. Wilk is is scheme versatile switching from 3-4 DE to 4-3 DT but not to be confused with the 4-3 DE. Dan Quinn had a 340 lb Red Bryant playing defensive end last year and the move helped resurrect his career. Great point, not too mention when we deployed the 4-3 this year Mo was playing S/S end on numerous occasions. On paper we technically have 3 interior tackles in a 4-3, being Mo, Sheldon, and IMO Coples. In reality those guys are very scheme diverse and could make an impact either outside or inside especially with a creative coach. I think Ray would compliment that line but I'd rather see an in house candidate like IK or a F/A occupy that spot and focus on the O side of the ball. |
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Post by eaglenj on Jan 9, 2015 8:31:00 GMT -5
Dan Quinn had a 340 lb Red Bryant playing defensive end last year and the move helped resurrect his career. That's true and Mario Williams does the same but these are the exceptions although with Quinn having done this and with the likelihood he's the next HC, this could happen. That said, I still think he's going to be way too expensive when you combine looming extensions for Richardson and Harrison. I think Demario is a much better fit at MLB then at the hybrid "ILB" spot he was playing last year. He is "good" in coverage for a MLB but is simply not fast enough for a WLB-type guy. I would rather see him in the middle, with a faster OLB like Kendricks playing "next" to him and then either a FA signee (jabaal sheard), draft pick, or Ik Empali playing "Rush LB" next to Coples, Wilkerson, and Richardson on the line. That would allow us to play Pryor close to the line in a hybrid safety/LB spot potentially with Antonio Allen, 2 CBs, and a deep safety. |
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