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Post by rexneffect on Jan 18, 2015 11:32:53 GMT -5
Kind of like talking about inner-city crime and Muslim terrorists. If they would self-help the problems of violence and hatred in their communities then we can all stop talking about profiling. Right? The analogy doesn't fit. Gun owners have direct control over their own guns. They control how they are stored, who has access to them and how they are sold. People do not exercise that kind of control over other people in their community. Red75bronco even disputes that such self-help can occur. He, like many gun advocates, asserts that there are just bad people out there and you can't control them.
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 18, 2015 11:41:11 GMT -5
Kind of like talking about inner-city crime and Muslim terrorists. If they would self-help the problems of violence and hatred in their communities then we can all stop talking about profiling. Right? Accidental shootings must constitute a very small percentages of deaths in America. And with that, I am a huge proponent of education and training. I won't even discuss guns moving into the black market until the borders are secure and our government quits putting guns in the black market. Fast and furious pretty much tells the story. Won't discuss the black market? You've brought up criminals buying guns from each other multiple times. You've already discussed it. I understand though; you're not interested in having a serious conversation. You just want to run around firing off NRA talking points.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 17:09:42 GMT -5
You completely missed my point, but figured you would have. I said don't bring up private citizens moving guns into the black market when the government is so more efficient at doing it.
Explain to me how well gun control is going in Chicago. Explain to me we why you want laws that only punish law abiding citizens. CR thinks too many idiots own guns, I think too many idiots are allowed to vote.
If you don't want to own a gun, dont. All you liberals are the same. You can't deal with just not doing something, you want everyone else to not do it. You don't want to eat junk food, that is not good enough, no one should eat it. Don't want sodas, not good enough, punish other people.
Only certain class of people should have guns in your opinion. My opinion is I will take careof my self, not rely on the all mighty government to protect me and give me handouts. There are plenty of places you can go where the man takes care of you. If it is so great, move there.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 17:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 17:16:54 GMT -5
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 18, 2015 17:17:06 GMT -5
You completely missed my point, but figured you would have. I said don't bring up private citizens moving guns into the black market when the government is so more efficient at doing it. Explain to me how well gun control is going in Chicago. Explain to me we why you want laws that only punish law abiding citizens. CR thinks too many idiots own guns, I think too many idiots are allowed to vote. If you don't want to own a gun, dont. All you liberals are the same. You can't deal with just not doing something, you want everyone else to not do it. You don't want to eat junk food, that is not good enough, no one should eat it. Don't want sodas, not good enough, punish other people. Only certain class of people should have guns in your opinion. My opinion is I will take careof my self, not rely on the all mighty government to protect me and give me handouts. There are plenty of places you can go where the man takes care of you. If it is so great, move there. Instead of throwing out strawman attacks and asking me to make arguments for you, why don't you try making an argument with some substance.
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Post by PK on Jan 18, 2015 18:12:16 GMT -5
You completely missed my point, but figured you would have. I said don't bring up private citizens moving guns into the black market when the government is so more efficient at doing it. Explain to me how well gun control is going in Chicago. Explain to me we why you want laws that only punish law abiding citizens. CR thinks too many idiots own guns, I think too many idiots are allowed to vote. If you don't want to own a gun, dont. All you liberals are the same. You can't deal with just not doing something, you want everyone else to not do it. You don't want to eat junk food, that is not good enough, no one should eat it. Don't want sodas, not good enough, punish other people. Only certain class of people should have guns in your opinion. My opinion is I will take careof my self, not rely on the all mighty government to protect me and give me handouts. There are plenty of places you can go where the man takes care of you. If it is so great, move there. People who talk about how awesome guns are....are the last people that should own them. Your guns are safe. Mean Obama didn't take then from you, did he? He certainly didn't take mine.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 19:41:35 GMT -5
Who said they are so awesome. They are a tool to protect and defend yourself. If you plan and train for circumstances and with the grace of God, a gun owner will never need to use your gun on another person.
Don't believe I ever even mentioned Obama. All politicians are the same, they want power.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 19:53:09 GMT -5
You completely missed my point, but figured you would have. I said don't bring up private citizens moving guns into the black market when the government is so more efficient at doing it. Explain to me how well gun control is going in Chicago. Explain to me we why you want laws that only punish law abiding citizens. CR thinks too many idiots own guns, I think too many idiots are allowed to vote. If you don't want to own a gun, dont. All you liberals are the same. You can't deal with just not doing something, you want everyone else to not do it. You don't want to eat junk food, that is not good enough, no one should eat it. Don't want sodas, not good enough, punish other people. Only certain class of people should have guns in your opinion. My opinion is I will take careof my self, not rely on the all mighty government to protect me and give me handouts. There are plenty of places you can go where the man takes care of you. If it is so great, move there. Instead of throwing out strawman attacks and asking me to make arguments for you, why don't you try making an argument with some substance. Your argument was that universal background checks for private sales would keep guns off the black market. I think that universal background checks do nothing but punish law abiding citizens. First of all, universal background checks are not enforceable without gun registry. Second of all, I do not believe that many law abiding citizens are going on the streets no selling guns to shady people. Those that are doing it are not going to stop due to a background check. Before you start, I'm not saying registration leads to confiscation, but find me one instance where confiscation wasn't preceeded by registration. I am am a colorado citizen,the dems in colorado passed a law requiring background checks on private sales. Please tell me how tHis is enforced? All 64 sheriffs, republican and democrat are against the law and have filed suit. It is unenforceable. It is now illegal for me to loan/transfer a gun to a friend for a hunting trip. Does that make sense? Do you think this will stop criminals from buying guns on the black market? Law enforcement doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 20:01:48 GMT -5
Just a small piece of it. People say that if those guns were illegal he wouldn't have done that. Actually he still could have done it with other weapons or he could have made a bomb. But if that kid was getting the mental help he needed in a facility he definitely wouldn't have been able to do that. That is the root of the problem. Access to guns is merely a branch on the tree. Im getting deja vu. We have had these discussions already. I am bowing out of this one. You should bow out because that is a desperate argument.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 20:19:16 GMT -5
You completely missed my point, but figured you would have. I said don't bring up private citizens moving guns into the black market when the government is so more efficient at doing it. Explain to me how well gun control is going in Chicago. Explain to me we why you want laws that only punish law abiding citizens. CR thinks too many idiots own guns, I think too many idiots are allowed to vote. If you don't want to own a gun, dont. All you liberals are the same. You can't deal with just not doing something, you want everyone else to not do it. You don't want to eat junk food, that is not good enough, no one should eat it. Don't want sodas, not good enough, punish other people. Only certain class of people should have guns in your opinion. My opinion is I will take careof my self, not rely on the all mighty government to protect me and give me handouts. There are plenty of places you can go where the man takes care of you. If it is so great, move there. You do realize that Chicago isn't a isolated island right?
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 18, 2015 20:42:58 GMT -5
Instead of throwing out strawman attacks and asking me to make arguments for you, why don't you try making an argument with some substance. Your argument was that universal background checks for private sales would keep guns off the black market. I think that universal background checks do nothing but punish law abiding citizens. First of all, universal background checks are not enforceable without gun registry. Second of all, I do not believe that many law abiding citizens are going on the streets no selling guns to shady people. Those that are doing it are not going to stop due to a background check. Before you start, I'm not saying registration leads to confiscation, but find me one instance where confiscation wasn't preceeded by registration. I am am a colorado citizen,the dems in colorado passed a law requiring background checks on private sales. Please tell me how tHis is enforced? All 64 sheriffs, republican and democrat are against the law and have filed suit. It is unenforceable. It is now illegal for me to loan/transfer a gun to a friend for a hunting trip. Does that make sense? Do you think this will stop criminals from buying guns on the black market? Law enforcement doesn't. All you're doing now is rehashing the same shit you already said that I already responded to that you failed to address.
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 18, 2015 20:44:25 GMT -5
But wait, China has lots of knives. Why didn't all that knife ownership deter the perpetrators?
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Post by Gunnails on Jan 18, 2015 21:50:51 GMT -5
What question did you ask? If you want to call some one an idiot maybe you should proof read your post before posting it. There re are people who take gun ownership very seriously, but there are way too many who do not and regulations are needed because of them. Ask a a parent in Sandy Hook if the mother of the animal should have owned a arsenal of guns. What that mother needed was the power to have her son put away but bc of libtards like the aclu it is nearly impossible. I owe you an apology, I honestly don't think your an idiot and I do respect the service you provide to your community. My bad and I'm sorry. Should just said you are a dick and left it at that, cause you are a dick and that's okay. peace.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 19, 2015 9:20:28 GMT -5
You completely missed my point, but figured you would have. I said don't bring up private citizens moving guns into the black market when the government is so more efficient at doing it. Explain to me how well gun control is going in Chicago. Explain to me we why you want laws that only punish law abiding citizens. CR thinks too many idiots own guns, I think too many idiots are allowed to vote. If you don't want to own a gun, dont. All you liberals are the same. You can't deal with just not doing something, you want everyone else to not do it. You don't want to eat junk food, that is not good enough, no one should eat it. Don't want sodas, not good enough, punish other people. Only certain class of people should have guns in your opinion. My opinion is I will take careof my self, not rely on the all mighty government to protect me and give me handouts. There are plenty of places you can go where the man takes care of you. If it is so great, move there. You do realize that Chicago isn't a isolated island right? You do realize the U.S. borders are wide open right? Ban all guns in the us, there is no way any guns come across the borders.
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