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Post by red75bronco on Jan 19, 2015 9:20:28 GMT -5
You completely missed my point, but figured you would have. I said don't bring up private citizens moving guns into the black market when the government is so more efficient at doing it. Explain to me how well gun control is going in Chicago. Explain to me we why you want laws that only punish law abiding citizens. CR thinks too many idiots own guns, I think too many idiots are allowed to vote. If you don't want to own a gun, dont. All you liberals are the same. You can't deal with just not doing something, you want everyone else to not do it. You don't want to eat junk food, that is not good enough, no one should eat it. Don't want sodas, not good enough, punish other people. Only certain class of people should have guns in your opinion. My opinion is I will take careof my self, not rely on the all mighty government to protect me and give me handouts. There are plenty of places you can go where the man takes care of you. If it is so great, move there. You do realize that Chicago isn't a isolated island right? You do realize the U.S. borders are wide open right? Ban all guns in the us, there is no way any guns come across the borders.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 19:53:09 GMT -5
You completely missed my point, but figured you would have. I said don't bring up private citizens moving guns into the black market when the government is so more efficient at doing it. Explain to me how well gun control is going in Chicago. Explain to me we why you want laws that only punish law abiding citizens. CR thinks too many idiots own guns, I think too many idiots are allowed to vote. If you don't want to own a gun, dont. All you liberals are the same. You can't deal with just not doing something, you want everyone else to not do it. You don't want to eat junk food, that is not good enough, no one should eat it. Don't want sodas, not good enough, punish other people. Only certain class of people should have guns in your opinion. My opinion is I will take careof my self, not rely on the all mighty government to protect me and give me handouts. There are plenty of places you can go where the man takes care of you. If it is so great, move there. Instead of throwing out strawman attacks and asking me to make arguments for you, why don't you try making an argument with some substance. Your argument was that universal background checks for private sales would keep guns off the black market. I think that universal background checks do nothing but punish law abiding citizens. First of all, universal background checks are not enforceable without gun registry. Second of all, I do not believe that many law abiding citizens are going on the streets no selling guns to shady people. Those that are doing it are not going to stop due to a background check. Before you start, I'm not saying registration leads to confiscation, but find me one instance where confiscation wasn't preceeded by registration. I am am a colorado citizen,the dems in colorado passed a law requiring background checks on private sales. Please tell me how tHis is enforced? All 64 sheriffs, republican and democrat are against the law and have filed suit. It is unenforceable. It is now illegal for me to loan/transfer a gun to a friend for a hunting trip. Does that make sense? Do you think this will stop criminals from buying guns on the black market? Law enforcement doesn't.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 19:41:35 GMT -5
Who said they are so awesome. They are a tool to protect and defend yourself. If you plan and train for circumstances and with the grace of God, a gun owner will never need to use your gun on another person.
Don't believe I ever even mentioned Obama. All politicians are the same, they want power.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 17:16:54 GMT -5
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 17:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 18, 2015 17:09:42 GMT -5
You completely missed my point, but figured you would have. I said don't bring up private citizens moving guns into the black market when the government is so more efficient at doing it.
Explain to me how well gun control is going in Chicago. Explain to me we why you want laws that only punish law abiding citizens. CR thinks too many idiots own guns, I think too many idiots are allowed to vote.
If you don't want to own a gun, dont. All you liberals are the same. You can't deal with just not doing something, you want everyone else to not do it. You don't want to eat junk food, that is not good enough, no one should eat it. Don't want sodas, not good enough, punish other people.
Only certain class of people should have guns in your opinion. My opinion is I will take careof my self, not rely on the all mighty government to protect me and give me handouts. There are plenty of places you can go where the man takes care of you. If it is so great, move there.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 17, 2015 18:34:06 GMT -5
Accidental shootings must constitute a very small percentages of deaths in America. And with that, I am a huge proponent of education and training. I won't even discuss guns moving into the black market until the borders are secure and our government quits putting guns in the black market. Fast and furious pretty much tells the story. Must? Where is training mandatory for gun ownership? I am not wasting my time looking up the percentages of deaths due to accidental shootings. It just doesn't happen enough. I would guess ther are more stabbings in a month in Chicago than there are accidental shootings. Training is not and should not be mandatory to own a gun. Tell mewha tis mandatory to exercise your 1st amendment rights, 4th, etc. please tell me why you hate me having the right to own a gun. Are you scared of the gun or the person. If it is the person, are you scared if they have a knife, what about a baseball bat, what about a car to run you over, ied? If it is the gun, many of my guns have been left alone for long periods of time with a round chambered and they never shot anyone. It is amazing how it is just an inanimate object and is always where I left it and there are no dead people around it?
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 17, 2015 18:02:42 GMT -5
We can establish reasonable rules for background checks. You seem to agree that there is a reasonable standard that can be applied when you agree that felons should not be allowed to purchase guns (although felons can purchase guns in many states). There are other reasonable standards that can be applied. For example, we also limit gun ownership to those who have been convicted of domestic violence and it would be equally as reasonable to procure a background check for that purpose as it would be to check for felony convictions. We don't need to go down the path of testing ridiculous standards like testing for political affiliation. If guns present a deterrent effect, why would the government absolutely knowing who owns guns not deter the government from attacking those people? Actually, wouldn't it reduce the probability of use of deadly force if the government knew you did not own a gun? More importantly, however, there would not have to be a gun registry, just a registry of owners and those who are prohibited by law from owning or purchasing guns. This is hardly different from the government having records of CHL holders who presumably also are all gun owners. People don't seem to mind the government knowing that they can conceal-carry by obtaining a government license to that effect. I will agree with you that criminals would not conduct background checks on each other but requiring the checks and prosecuting the sellers for failing to perform the check and decline sales to those prohibited from purchase would prevent guns from moving out of the legal marketplace into the black market where criminals can buy and sell them. You sort of pay the price. If you use your gun to kill somebody or your gun is used in an accidental shooting then your jail time is of little use to that person. Even if you had the money to adequately compensate a family for the killing it still does not do much for the person who died. The person who died is the person who really paid the price. And this is one of the key problems that people have with the "pro gun advocates". You all focus on your rights and how gun control laws affect you without any regard for how your gun ownership affects other people. Nobody cares if you own a gun any more than they care whether you own a coffeemaker. If you "pro gun advocates" can self-help the problems of accidental shootings and guns moving into the black market then we can all promptly stop talking about gun control. Kind of like talking about inner-city crime and Muslim terrorists. If they would self-help the problems of violence and hatred in their communities then we can all stop talking about profiling. Right? Accidental shootings must constitute a very small percentages of deaths in America. And with that, I am a huge proponent of education and training. I won't even discuss guns moving into the black market until the borders are secure and our government quits putting guns in the black market. Fast and furious pretty much tells the story.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 17, 2015 9:40:51 GMT -5
BTW, the columbine shooting was during the last AW ban and ten round magazine limit. Still happened. It does not prevent anything. Now, if you allow if you allow teachers to ccw you have a chance. If you don't like that, then put several armed guards at school.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 17, 2015 9:37:24 GMT -5
Tell me what AR stands for and why these guns are so bad. Why are they worse than any other rifle. What makes them the boogie man? Background checks at stores and gun dealers is fine. The check should be do you have a felony or not. I might be ok with denying if you take anti depressants, but that is a slippery slope. I am not ok with a government agent determining if people are mentally stable for a gun. If I was the agent most liberals couldn't own guns because they are obviously crazy? . If a liberal was the agent, they would obviously think I was crazy because I don't care for our dear leader. The problem I have with universal background checks is on private sales. It is unenforceable without gun registry which everyone should be against. This law would only punish the law abiding citizens. If you tell a criminal that they cannot transfer a gun to another criminal without a background check, I am pretty sure they are going to do it anyway. I just don't understand how anti gunners don't understand the role of the 2nd amendment. I understand if you are afraid of guns( the majority of a it gunners). But why do you want to force me to not have one? If I feel it is appropriate to have one to defend myself why do you care? If I break the law, I will pay the price. It is not like pro gun advocates are saying everyone should have a gun and if they shoot someone there are no consequences.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 11, 2015 21:17:30 GMT -5
If you don't like or are scared of guns, don't buy one. I don't want you to, all I am asking is you don't try to force me to not have one. Chances are, if you end up in one of those shitty situatuions, someone might have agin to help you unless your try to ban them, then only the criminal will have one. Right on cue. www.inquisitr.com/1745325/soldier-wife-shooting/Not sure what your point is with this article. Lots of break ins in the neighborhood, husband came home when he is not expected, she probably wasn't well trained with fire arms. By your logic, no one should have a gun because of this. By my logic, make it mandatory like drivers Ed in school to learn Fire arm safety. Educate people how to defend themselves. Why didn't you post the article about the mother that saved her and her three kids with a gun in Georgia when someone broke in? Doesn't fit your agenda. Again, why do you care if this lady has a gun? I don't care that you have a Prius.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 11, 2015 18:44:35 GMT -5
New England just got a free pass to the SB The chance was Baltimore. Let them go and get pummeled by Seattle.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 11, 2015 18:43:39 GMT -5
If Denver cant beat Indy at home, how the hell are they going to beat New England in foxboro? And what exactly are the Colts gonna do in Foxboro? At least they have a chance with luck. Manning is done.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 11, 2015 18:42:02 GMT -5
Romo undrafted, Wilson third round, brady 6th round. You don't need the first pick.
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 11, 2015 18:40:08 GMT -5
Peyton we need you bud Denver is our only hope left! If Denver cant beat Indy at home, how the hell are they going to beat New England in foxboro?
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