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Post by bxjetfan on Jun 4, 2020 12:41:56 GMT -5
The irony of this statement, I'm sure, escapes you. All I see is a vicious circle with a minority of assholes on both sides. Tell me where that's "ironic" and I'll listen. Its disheartening. Everyone agrees what happened is horrible. But now everyone takes their pre-determined "side". And it escalates proving to both sides that they were right. You post about there being no systematic racism, someone else posts about black drivers getting pulled over 2.5x more than whites. And you both may be correct but none of that matters. We can post til the cows come home. None of it brings us closer to a solution. I get it, you were LE, I have LE friends, sucks that they are painted with the broad brush because of this. They spent their whole careers doing the right thing under impossible circumstances. And I have black friends who have heartbreaking stories about how their teenage son was treated by a cop. BOTH of your experiences can be true. I'm just saying this whole idea of fucking up the "other side" just perpetuates what's gone on forever. This thread is a microcosm. Starts out about George Floyd, degrades into "antifa sucks". And if the people here leaned left it would have degraded into "all cops sucks" crap. America has A.D.D. My two cents, have at me. Also, really wish this shit was in Politics. The Hampur is my last safe space. You could always post in the New Members forum. Nobody's been there in years.😁 |
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Post by shakin on Jun 4, 2020 12:51:00 GMT -5
Also, really wish this shit was in Politics. The Hampur is my last safe space. do you really navigate by forums? i just click recent threads to see where any activity has been going on also, ragu recently enhanced the forum technology and changed the rules to give you the power to not click on any threads that you believe may not in fact float your boat. that fuckin guy... what he does for us |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jun 4, 2020 13:04:51 GMT -5
Wish some of my woke friends could explain why the NYPD has to endure this. I’m far from woke but I would say they shouldn’t have to endure that. Sure looks like a bunch of young white assholes in that video. I’ve been saying to people I know all along, those are the guys that are causing trouble and distracting from the legit message that the real Non-violent protesters are trying to get across. Protest organizers should be more vocal about telling these guys , “thanks but no thanks, stop fucking up our shit”. |
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Post by westcoastoffensive on Jun 4, 2020 13:14:16 GMT -5
Wish some of my woke friends could explain why the NYPD has to endure this. I’m far from woke but I would say they shouldn’t have to endure that. Sure looks like a bunch of young white assholes in that video. I’ve been saying to people I know all along, those are the guys that are causing trouble and distracting from the legit message that the real Non-violent protesters are trying to get across. Protest organizers should be more vocal about telling these guys , “thanks but no thanks, stop fucking up our shit”. Since it's on the table now - why are caucasians involved with violence? Against cawps? Is it that they want to be rough and tough? Everybody wants to be Mike Ehrmantraut |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jun 4, 2020 13:58:23 GMT -5
The irony of this statement, I'm sure, escapes you. All I see is a vicious circle with a minority of assholes on both sides. Tell me where that's "ironic" and I'll listen. Its disheartening. Everyone agrees what happened is horrible. But now everyone takes their pre-determined "side". And it escalates proving to both sides that they were right. You post about there being no systematic racism, someone else posts about black drivers getting pulled over 2.5x more than whites. And you both may be correct but none of that matters. We can post til the cows come home. None of it brings us closer to a solution. I get it, you were LE, I have LE friends, sucks that they are painted with the broad brush because of this. They spent their whole careers doing the right thing under impossible circumstances. And I have black friends who have heartbreaking stories about how their teenage son was treated by a cop. BOTH of your experiences can be true. I'm just saying this whole idea of fucking up the "other side" just perpetuates what's gone on forever. This thread is a microcosm. Starts out about George Floyd, degrades into "antifa sucks". And if the people here leaned left it would have degraded into "all cops sucks" crap. America has A.D.D. My two cents, have at me. Also, really wish this shit was in Politics. The Hampur is my last safe space. Antifa does suck. And nobody should conflate them with the protestors. America does have ADD. And our brains are being trained to being even more ADD with the content we consume. Remember going outside kills grandma? That was a week ago. You're right there probably isnt a solution. We will end up just swapping one problem for another. Just like one of the "solutions" Los Angeles just announced. They are cutting funding to the LAPD. We need better policing, not less. What L.A. is doing will harm POC more than it will help them. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 4, 2020 14:28:05 GMT -5
Also, really wish this shit was in Politics. The Hampur is my last safe space. do you really navigate by forums? i just click recent threads to see where any activity has been going on also, ragu recently enhanced the forum technology and changed the rules to give you the power to not click on any threads that you believe may not in fact float your boat. that fuckin guy... what he does for us I do, stay out of Politics come right to Hampur. Get a few laughs. Problem with your clicking idea is Thead's go from "How Ya'll Doin" to "Lets Kill the Libs" in 1.5 pages. Should be some technology when a thread turns so does the thread name. Im sure 32 could write a program to make that happen. Algorithms and such. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 4, 2020 14:30:27 GMT -5
All I see is a vicious circle with a minority of assholes on both sides. Tell me where that's "ironic" and I'll listen. Its disheartening. Everyone agrees what happened is horrible. But now everyone takes their pre-determined "side". And it escalates proving to both sides that they were right. You post about there being no systematic racism, someone else posts about black drivers getting pulled over 2.5x more than whites. And you both may be correct but none of that matters. We can post til the cows come home. None of it brings us closer to a solution. I get it, you were LE, I have LE friends, sucks that they are painted with the broad brush because of this. They spent their whole careers doing the right thing under impossible circumstances. And I have black friends who have heartbreaking stories about how their teenage son was treated by a cop. BOTH of your experiences can be true. I'm just saying this whole idea of fucking up the "other side" just perpetuates what's gone on forever. This thread is a microcosm. Starts out about George Floyd, degrades into "antifa sucks". And if the people here leaned left it would have degraded into "all cops sucks" crap. America has A.D.D. My two cents, have at me. Also, really wish this shit was in Politics. The Hampur is my last safe space. You could always post in the New Members forum. Nobody's been there in years.😁 With my luck Hotman would follow me. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 4, 2020 14:42:45 GMT -5
All I see is a vicious circle with a minority of assholes on both sides. Tell me where that's "ironic" and I'll listen. Its disheartening. Everyone agrees what happened is horrible. But now everyone takes their pre-determined "side". And it escalates proving to both sides that they were right. You post about there being no systematic racism, someone else posts about black drivers getting pulled over 2.5x more than whites. And you both may be correct but none of that matters. We can post til the cows come home. None of it brings us closer to a solution. I get it, you were LE, I have LE friends, sucks that they are painted with the broad brush because of this. They spent their whole careers doing the right thing under impossible circumstances. And I have black friends who have heartbreaking stories about how their teenage son was treated by a cop. BOTH of your experiences can be true. I'm just saying this whole idea of fucking up the "other side" just perpetuates what's gone on forever. This thread is a microcosm. Starts out about George Floyd, degrades into "antifa sucks". And if the people here leaned left it would have degraded into "all cops sucks" crap. America has A.D.D. My two cents, have at me. Also, really wish this shit was in Politics. The Hampur is my last safe space. Antifa does suck. And nobody should conflate them with the protestors. But notice how quick the George Floyd discussion became about them. |
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Post by adpz on Jun 4, 2020 14:48:34 GMT -5
She's probably thinking to poison some cops. Jordan's Utah pizza style...... haha wtf is Jordan's Utah pizza?! That sounds terrible lol From THE LAST DANCE - the Bulls - Jordan got pizza takeout before game 2 in the 1997 NBA Finals and came down with flu/food poisoning. The insinuation is that the pizza place spiked his pizza with god-knows-what. Cheesecake Factory is straight-up garbage. It's got Factory right in the name! Been twice, nevermore. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jun 4, 2020 15:15:48 GMT -5
Antifa does suck. And nobody should conflate them with the protestors. But notice how quick the George Floyd discussion became about them. Since George Floyd was murdered Antifa riots have caused more black people to die than the police. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jun 4, 2020 15:37:09 GMT -5
But notice how quick the George Floyd discussion became about them. Since George Floyd was murdered Antifa riots have caused more black people to die than the police. Wait until the China virus numbers kick in. |
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Post by 32Green on Jun 4, 2020 15:56:02 GMT -5
But notice how quick the George Floyd discussion became about them. Since George Floyd was murdered Antifa riots have caused more black people to die than the police. Bingo. I've seen several vids of black protesters challenging these idiots too. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 4, 2020 16:11:32 GMT -5
But notice how quick the George Floyd discussion became about them. Since George Floyd was murdered Antifa riots have caused more black people to die than the police. Which doesn’t change what happened to him. It’s not a competition. But it drowns it out. Like I said A.D.D. Vicious cycle. It sets it up as 2 “sides”, when it’s not. Separating us. You can hate bad cops and antifa. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jun 4, 2020 16:15:06 GMT -5
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Post by jetswin on Jun 4, 2020 16:19:19 GMT -5
My entire life I have seen civil rights being a gigantic issue, MLK's murder is still something I remember vividly. I remember riots as a kid and I remember racial tensions as a kid. I was an athlete so for the most part I got along with everyone however there was plenty of hidden anger in my little universe. After 60 years it would be naive of me to think that this anger is misplaced, life has not been fair for many. I grew up fortunate, and fortunately took advantage of it for the most part. I know programs in the past decades to help disadvantaged imrpove their lot have mostly failed, but I think that only stresses the need to do something that works now.
We know there are people out there that hate us, and by us I mean all Americans, the least racist time i can remember was after 911, when America truly had no color. WE cannot hate ourselves, we will be ruined, and I feel a slippery slope right now tht could easily lead to ruination.
Early this week, Monday perhaps the days all run into one with this lockdown, CNBC interviewed Ken Frazier, CEO of Merck. The man was inspired and inspiring, he explained that he was fortunate enough to be part of some program in Philly as kid that bused him to a better school. He took advantage and look at him now, he is a black man btw. Anyway he was stressing the need for corporate America to do more for minorities, to help them get the chance they are not born into. I know it sounds like affirmative action, which imho has failed historically, but in a more aware environment why would this not work? Any minorities I've worked with in my career are just co-workers, do the job as well or better than anyone else, more need that chance. He said it starts with education and I agree. We need teachers in lesser school districts to stop sleepwalking their way to a pension. If the inner city kids feel inspired by their teachers they will excel, it only makes sense. Education is color blind, brains are color blind. If money is to be spent, start in schools, improve the facilities, improve the technology, give the cities what wealthy parents can give their kids, money will be spent let's just not piss it away as has been the case.
As to the cops, imho there are assholes in all walks of life, so there are bound to be some on the job. That doesn't change the fact that for the most part they do a thankless job putting their lives on the line in a respectful manner. One of my neighbors is a young cop and he said he can't find anyone defending the cop who killed Floyd. i said to him I felt NY had better training for their force and more up to date on whatever holds they use, as obviously a knee to the neck is not a good idea, he just sort of nodded to that but offered no opinion so I could be wrong. Bottom line iseveryone is outraged by this, and it's all exasperated by the freaking rona, the US is a powder keg right now, and bothe sides of the aisle better sort their shit out and get together bringing this country together.
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