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Ukraine
Mar 1, 2022 14:40:23 GMT -5
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Post by frostlich on Mar 1, 2022 14:40:23 GMT -5
You know I really wasn't understanding what was going on with Russia and Ukraine until Kamala gave her great insight. Solid analysis! Dear God...she's the Phil Simms of the WH. |
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Ukraine
Mar 1, 2022 15:21:30 GMT -5
Post by Trades on Mar 1, 2022 15:21:30 GMT -5
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Post by Raoul Duke on Mar 1, 2022 16:39:23 GMT -5
Interpreter gets choked up translating Zelensky
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Ukraine
Mar 1, 2022 16:48:42 GMT -5
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Post by Raoul Duke on Mar 1, 2022 16:48:42 GMT -5
40 mile Russian convoy heading for Kiev  Reports coming out that they're running out of gas and food? |
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Ukraine
Mar 1, 2022 18:04:59 GMT -5
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Mar 1, 2022 18:04:59 GMT -5
40 mile Russian convoy heading for Kiev Reports coming out that they're running out of gas and food? Heard same thing... Hopefully the advance stalls right there |
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Ukraine
Mar 1, 2022 23:53:21 GMT -5
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 1, 2022 23:53:21 GMT -5
This won't be up long I think.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Mar 2, 2022 5:25:20 GMT -5
^^Concerning "the promise" by NATO to not extend towards the East, I'm not sure if this was part of a signed treaty or just an oral promise. In any case, it was a mistake to go as far as Ukraine, it was obvious it would infuriate Putin.
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Ukraine
Mar 2, 2022 7:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by frostlich on Mar 2, 2022 7:38:02 GMT -5
^^Concerning "the promise" by NATO to not extend towards the East, I'm not sure if this was part of a signed treaty or just an oral promise. In any case, it was a mistake to go as far as Ukraine, it was obvious it would infuriate Putin. Jimmy Dore in youtube attempts to go in depth on this depending on how much credence you place in him. Heres a different bit I linked a few weeks ago. Keep in mind its about 6 years old or so..if you have the time to watch it: |
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Post by Trades on Mar 2, 2022 8:20:02 GMT -5
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Post by Trades on Mar 2, 2022 8:24:56 GMT -5
^^Concerning "the promise" by NATO to not extend towards the East, I'm not sure if this was part of a signed treaty or just an oral promise. In any case, it was a mistake to go as far as Ukraine, it was obvious it would infuriate Putin. They didn't go as far as Ukraine though. Ukraine isn't a NATO country they just said if Russia keeps threatening us we will ask to be a part of NATO. The irony is that if Russia takes Ukraine then they are surrounded by NATO countries in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Latvia, and Estonia so he is creating the "problem" he didn't want. I think that was just an excuse. |
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Post by Raoul Duke on Mar 2, 2022 9:14:10 GMT -5
^^Concerning "the promise" by NATO to not extend towards the East, I'm not sure if this was part of a signed treaty or just an oral promise. In any case, it was a mistake to go as far as Ukraine, it was obvious it would infuriate Putin. They didn't go as far as Ukraine though. Ukraine isn't a NATO country they just said if Russia keeps threatening us we will ask to be a part of NATO. The irony is that if Russia takes Ukraine then they are surrounded by NATO countries in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Latvia, and Estonia so he is creating the "problem" he didn't want. I think that was just an excuse. True. I guess the flirting was becoming too heavy. In any case, the real thing is for Putin all the independant satellite countries created post USSR still have to pledge allegiance to Russia and Ukraine has been pissing him off leaning towards the EU, NATO.. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 2, 2022 9:59:20 GMT -5
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Ukraine
Mar 2, 2022 10:21:41 GMT -5
Post by tkasper01 on Mar 2, 2022 10:21:41 GMT -5
40 mile Russian convoy heading for Kiev Reports coming out that they're running out of gas and food? Germany should do a Berlin airdrop kind of thing. Not like they do not know the benefits. Food med's and anything else that can be dropped form a plane. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 2, 2022 10:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by adpz on Mar 2, 2022 10:45:56 GMT -5
^^Concerning "the promise" by NATO to not extend towards the East, I'm not sure if this was part of a signed treaty or just an oral promise. In any case, it was a mistake to go as far as Ukraine, it was obvious it would infuriate Putin. They didn't go as far as Ukraine though. Ukraine isn't a NATO country they just said if Russia keeps threatening us we will ask to be a part of NATO. The irony is that if Russia takes Ukraine then they are surrounded by NATO countries in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Latvia, and Estonia so he is creating the "problem" he didn't want. I think that was just an excuse. Yeah - I get Russia's POV but they've had PLENTY of time and opportunity to work these issues through diplomatically and they've also forced the hands of other nations with the incursions/occupations into Georgia, Crimea, etc. They can't have it both ways and consider that a situation that can credibly be solved through diplomacy. I don't want any US or NATO involvement at this point, but I think the pile-up on them from every angle going on right now is exactly right. If this weakens Putin and/or Russia internally, which it very well might - that would be a big fat message getting across to China, a lesson about modern overreach where things don't just fade away and in fact they move blindingly fast. |
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