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Post by likeabitch on Dec 4, 2014 19:12:46 GMT -5
Who are these countries? And please dont say Europe. They owe us their ass and they will be the first in the West to fall to radical Islam. All their culture, paintings, good food and wine aren't going to help them when the barbarians come. Europe owes us for what? Destroying them? That's some right-wing American dumb ass logic right there. I have no idea why so many Americans insist on the gratitude of other nations after dropping X amount of millions of pounds of bombs on them and their children. You do realize this is just shit American media tells its people to make them feel good right? Maybe the Chinese should nuke us to "save us" from a wildly corrupt government and big banks. I know how thankful I'd be if their armies arrived, raped my family, bombed my kids, and put me under the thumb of a puppet-regime or Joseph Stalin's rape-brigades. We sure would "owe" them, wouldn't we? Have you ever been to Europe? Japan? The Middle East? If you're planning a trip, I'd lay off demanding gratitude unless you're looking to get knifed. The Native Americans, I suppose, owe us gratitude, too, for bringing them `civilization`. In fact, while we're at it, let's demand American blacks thank us for slavery. Whether or not Europe falls to Islam remains to be seen. European Nationalist parties are on the rise and faith in the European Union is on a rapid decline. The first step towards addressing the hypothetical Muslim take over is addressing the possibility of it, which Europe has reached. That's a big step further than we're willing to take. It looks as if the trend is beginning to reverse there, which is a lot more than I can say for America, which will, beyond any shadow of a doubt, be under new ownership within the next three decades, and no amount of fast food restaurants, Walmarts or Mickey Mouse theme parks are going to help us `when the barbarians come.` Expect with absolute certainty for the U.S. to be operating under an entirely different set of political and economic principles during your lifetime. In fact, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the Union be forced to dissolve under the weight of the debt of the federal government, to escape a crashing dollar. A break up and balkanization of the territory now known as the United States is a very real possibility because of how pragmatic it will inevitably look. The United States isn't even a country. It's an economic-zone. We lack every pillar of what makes a nation a nation (Borders, language, culture), and any other conclusion is little more than feel-good escapism. Our military, contrary to popular belief, isn't a force for freedom, but a mercenary force for globalist ideology and the enforcement of NWO power-politics. Our citizens are blatantly ignored by their elected officials until they get tired of whining and just go back to work. I'd take a long look in the mirror before pointing to others and saying "they're going to fall." We're basically fucking helots here. We do like to look to others, though. It's a nice escape from looking at ourselves. (Oh, look, it's Putin the boogey man on my television.) I know, all of this sounds horribly `anti-American ,` because that's what we label anyone who just calls a spade a spade instead of pretending everything is just fucking great and we're a beacon of freedom and a shining city on a hill and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm American. My neighbors are American. My family is American. I like Americans, but I'm just tired of their fantasies and can't go along with them anymore.
Fantasies don't solve problems, and pretending we're anything else but completely fucked is complete and total fantasy. If more Americans embraced this reality instead of parroting their televisions like fucking robots, we might actually reverse course, but it's easier to just put a flag-pin on our shirts, say what our TVs instruct us to say, and circle jerk about how wonderful and free we are while being spied on and our currency collapses.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 4, 2014 20:09:47 GMT -5
I don't even know where to start. Nobody here claims we are perfect. I don't think anybody would dispute that we are in decline. But it sure as hell ain't gonna be Europe that fills the void. It will be the Islamic State, Russia or China.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 4, 2014 20:18:36 GMT -5
I don't even know where to start. Nobody here claims we are perfect. I don't think anybody would dispute that we are in decline. But it sure as hell ain't gonna be Europe that fills the void. It will be the Islamic State, Russia or China. I'm not so sure the US, Russia, and China will all allow the Islamic state to take that seat. They will unload every last nuke they have before that happens.
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Post by likeabitch on Dec 4, 2014 20:40:45 GMT -5
I don't even know where to start. Nobody here claims we are perfect. I don't think anybody would dispute that we are in decline. But it sure as hell ain't gonna be Europe that fills the void. It will be the Islamic State, Russia or China. I'm not so sure the US, Russia, and China will all allow the Islamic state to take that seat. They will unload every last nuke they have before that happens. Neither Russia or China are going to nuke the Middle East. They're both allies and trade partners with much of the Arabic world, like sensible people - like we SHOULD be. The only oligarchs insane enough to do something like that live right here, and if they did, incinerating millions of people and annihilating yet another ancient culture and civilization, I'm sure it'll be `fer freedom` and in self defense, like usual. ...on the principles of `peace and prosperity.`
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 4, 2014 20:54:14 GMT -5
I'm not so sure the US, Russia, and China will all allow the Islamic state to take that seat. They will unload every last nuke they have before that happens. Neither Russia or China are going to nuke the Middle East. They're both allies and trade partners with much of the Arabic world, like sensible people - like we SHOULD be. The only oligarchs insane enough to do something like that live right here, and if they did, incinerating millions of people and annihilating yet another ancient culture and civilization, I'm sure it'll be `fer freedom` and in self defense, like usual. ...on the principles of `peace and prosperity.` Now you're losing me. You are deluded if you think we would be able to have the same relationships with some of those countries that China and Russia do. Part of the basis of those relationships is anti-American sentiment.
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Post by likeabitch on Dec 4, 2014 21:50:38 GMT -5
That tends to happen when you use sanctions to starve them to death, place oppressive puppet regimes to reign over them with a heavy hand, and bomb their cities once a decade.
Gee, I wonder why Russia and China have a better relationship with them. What could it possibly be?
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Post by Trades on Dec 5, 2014 9:49:46 GMT -5
Europe owes us for what? Destroying them? That's some right-wing American dumb ass logic right there. I have no idea why so many Americans insist on the gratitude of other nations after dropping X amount of millions of pounds of bombs on them and their children. You do realize this is just shit American media tells its people to make them feel good right? Maybe the Chinese should nuke us to "save us" from a wildly corrupt government and big banks. I know how thankful I'd be if their armies arrived, raped my family, bombed my kids, and put me under the thumb of a puppet-regime or Joseph Stalin's rape-brigades. We sure would "owe" them, wouldn't we? Have you ever been to Europe? Japan? The Middle East? If you're planning a trip, I'd lay off demanding gratitude unless you're looking to get knifed. The Native Americans, I suppose, owe us gratitude, too, for bringing them `civilization`. In fact, while we're at it, let's demand American blacks thank us for slavery. Whether or not Europe falls to Islam remains to be seen. European Nationalist parties are on the rise and faith in the European Union is on a rapid decline. The first step towards addressing the hypothetical Muslim take over is addressing the possibility of it, which Europe has reached. That's a big step further than we're willing to take. It looks as if the trend is beginning to reverse there, which is a lot more than I can say for America, which will, beyond any shadow of a doubt, be under new ownership within the next three decades, and no amount of fast food restaurants, Walmarts or Mickey Mouse theme parks are going to help us `when the barbarians come.` Expect with absolute certainty for the U.S. to be operating under an entirely different set of political and economic principles during your lifetime. In fact, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the Union be forced to dissolve under the weight of the debt of the federal government, to escape a crashing dollar. A break up and balkanization of the territory now known as the United States is a very real possibility because of how pragmatic it will inevitably look. The United States isn't even a country. It's an economic-zone. We lack every pillar of what makes a nation a nation (Borders, language, culture), and any other conclusion is little more than feel-good escapism. Our military, contrary to popular belief, isn't a force for freedom, but a mercenary force for globalist ideology and the enforcement of NWO power-politics. Our citizens are blatantly ignored by their elected officials until they get tired of whining and just go back to work. I'd take a long look in the mirror before pointing to others and saying "they're going to fall." We're basically fucking helots here. We do like to look to others, though. It's a nice escape from looking at ourselves. (Oh, look, it's Putin the boogey man on my television.) I know, all of this sounds horribly `anti-American ,` because that's what we label anyone who just calls a spade a spade instead of pretending everything is just fucking great and we're a beacon of freedom and a shining city on a hill and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm American. My neighbors are American. My family is American. I like Americans, but I'm just tired of their fantasies and can't go along with them anymore.
Fantasies don't solve problems, and pretending we're anything else but completely fucked is complete and total fantasy. If more Americans embraced this reality instead of parroting their televisions like fucking robots, we might actually reverse course, but it's easier to just put a flag-pin on our shirts, say what our TVs instruct us to say, and circle jerk about how wonderful and free we are while being spied on and our currency collapses. This has gone WAY off topic but... Do you not understand the necessity of America getting involved in WWII? We nuked Japan to save hundreds of thousands of America soldiers. Japan wasn't backing down even after we dropped the first bomb. Was it horrible? Yes. Was it necessary? Yes. After we beat Japan and Germany we helped rebuild both countries and left them to govern themselves. So much for Empire. The decimation of the American Indians looks horrible through the lens of history but when you look at it through how things were done back then and realize that they weren't this fictional peaceful people standing next to litter on a highway you can put some things in perspective. A large number were wiped out by disease that their systems couldn't defend way before they got blankets covered in small pox. You can't judge history by present day standards. Back to the original topic, no one said that the history of America was all peace and love but the framework of our society, how we evolve and the rules we live under for the average citizen is about order, peace and law. It isn't about riots, theft and battle. That is for the fringe criminal populations that are dumb enough to burn down their own cities in the name of justice.
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Post by likeabitch on Dec 5, 2014 14:03:23 GMT -5
Europe owes us for what? Destroying them? That's some right-wing American dumb ass logic right there. I have no idea why so many Americans insist on the gratitude of other nations after dropping X amount of millions of pounds of bombs on them and their children. You do realize this is just shit American media tells its people to make them feel good right? Maybe the Chinese should nuke us to "save us" from a wildly corrupt government and big banks. I know how thankful I'd be if their armies arrived, raped my family, bombed my kids, and put me under the thumb of a puppet-regime or Joseph Stalin's rape-brigades. We sure would "owe" them, wouldn't we? Have you ever been to Europe? Japan? The Middle East? If you're planning a trip, I'd lay off demanding gratitude unless you're looking to get knifed. The Native Americans, I suppose, owe us gratitude, too, for bringing them `civilization`. In fact, while we're at it, let's demand American blacks thank us for slavery. Whether or not Europe falls to Islam remains to be seen. European Nationalist parties are on the rise and faith in the European Union is on a rapid decline. The first step towards addressing the hypothetical Muslim take over is addressing the possibility of it, which Europe has reached. That's a big step further than we're willing to take. It looks as if the trend is beginning to reverse there, which is a lot more than I can say for America, which will, beyond any shadow of a doubt, be under new ownership within the next three decades, and no amount of fast food restaurants, Walmarts or Mickey Mouse theme parks are going to help us `when the barbarians come.` Expect with absolute certainty for the U.S. to be operating under an entirely different set of political and economic principles during your lifetime. In fact, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the Union be forced to dissolve under the weight of the debt of the federal government, to escape a crashing dollar. A break up and balkanization of the territory now known as the United States is a very real possibility because of how pragmatic it will inevitably look. The United States isn't even a country. It's an economic-zone. We lack every pillar of what makes a nation a nation (Borders, language, culture), and any other conclusion is little more than feel-good escapism. Our military, contrary to popular belief, isn't a force for freedom, but a mercenary force for globalist ideology and the enforcement of NWO power-politics. Our citizens are blatantly ignored by their elected officials until they get tired of whining and just go back to work. I'd take a long look in the mirror before pointing to others and saying "they're going to fall." We're basically fucking helots here. We do like to look to others, though. It's a nice escape from looking at ourselves. (Oh, look, it's Putin the boogey man on my television.) I know, all of this sounds horribly `anti-American ,` because that's what we label anyone who just calls a spade a spade instead of pretending everything is just fucking great and we're a beacon of freedom and a shining city on a hill and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm American. My neighbors are American. My family is American. I like Americans, but I'm just tired of their fantasies and can't go along with them anymore.
Fantasies don't solve problems, and pretending we're anything else but completely fucked is complete and total fantasy. If more Americans embraced this reality instead of parroting their televisions like fucking robots, we might actually reverse course, but it's easier to just put a flag-pin on our shirts, say what our TVs instruct us to say, and circle jerk about how wonderful and free we are while being spied on and our currency collapses. This has gone WAY off topic but... Do you not understand the necessity of America getting involved in WWII? We nuked Japan to save hundreds of thousands of America soldiers. Japan wasn't backing down even after we dropped the first bomb. Was it horrible? Yes. Was it necessary? Yes. After we beat Japan and Germany we helped rebuild both countries and left them to govern themselves. So much for Empire. The decimation of the American Indians looks horrible through the lens of history but when you look at it through how things were done back then and realize that they weren't this fictional peaceful people standing next to litter on a highway you can put some things in perspective. A large number were wiped out by disease that their systems couldn't defend way before they got blankets covered in small pox. You can't judge history by present day standards. Back to the original topic, no one said that the history of America was all peace and love but the framework of our society, how we evolve and the rules we live under for the average citizen is about order, peace and law. It isn't about riots, theft and battle. That is for the fringe criminal populations that are dumb enough to burn down their own cities in the name of justice. Please explain to me the "necessity" of `getting involved in WWII`. You say you're a libertarian yet now, in typical fashion, you're going to give me Socialist-Emperor FDR's propaganda talking points to justify getting hundreds of thousands of American soldiers killed in order to put most of the planet under the heel of Communist mass murderers. This is a great example why it's hard to take people's political opinion serious in this country. They don't actually possess them. What they do possess is whatever their televisions have supplied them with. Libertarians, ideologically, are not in the business of vast worldwide Empire building, nuking foreign nations, and arming, fueling, and supplying iron-fisted dictators, who had already killed upwards of 50 MILLION civilians in grotesque, straight up barbaric ways before the war even started, so that they can conquer most of the planet. Yet here you are. A libertarian, you are not. I'm willing to bet that's just something you say as a protest against the Republicans. What was America's involvement in WWII? It was starting a war with Japan by slapping it with an oil embargo that the entire planet understood would force Japan to react for its own national and economic survival. Then it waited, and pretended not to know, leaving its OWN sailors to get killed by a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor solely so they could get a nice, pissed off population willing to go along with our socialist oligarchs and socialist President's secret desires, when prior to this the nation was 85% opposed to any involvement. You call this `necessity`. Laughable. It's just more of our political leaders throwing American civilians into a meat grinder for their own hidden ideologies, and then justifying it later with defacto-bullshit which everyone is always more than willing to repeat to be fashionable. Then you gloss over the G-Nopecide of an entire people and chalk it up as "the times," yet if some Middle East boogey man kills 50 people, you'll probably label them as the next coming of Satan and support an invasion. So long as you're willing to parrot every last thing our leaders, past and present, have done, with an American-centric, though nonsensical view of the world, not truly rooted in objective reality, you basically lose all right to complain about the decline of the nation and the death of the West. More of the same leads to more of the same leads to more of the same. Time for people to start thinking outside their narrow little box.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 5, 2014 14:19:04 GMT -5
There is some serious tinhat shit going on here. You do realize that we do not live in a vacuum and sometimes we must do the lesser of two evils? Can't just ignore everything and stay in our lane and pretend like shit won't eventually land on our doorstep. Sometimes we have to sleep with the cats and get fleas in order to get rid of the rats.
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Post by likeabitch on Dec 5, 2014 16:07:08 GMT -5
America's greatest General, General Patton, an American icon, said after the war that we had made a horrible mistake, and he was becoming increasingly talkative and convinced of it. Then, if you believe him over our shit-bag politicians, our own Government killed him for it so he wasn't echoing those sentiments for the next 30 years, disrupting our national propaganda and BS narrative on the situation.
Yes, we assassinate our own Generals, we the Americans, who are always so righteous and good.
You talk about `lesser of two evils.` This is, AGAIN, something television says that has NO BASIS in reality. Joseph Stalin had murdered 30 to 60 MILLION CIVILIANS before the second World War even started. How in the fuck can you say that's a lesser evil than Germany's invasion of Poland? Are you familiar with the Red Terror following the Bolshevik revolution? Do you have any comprehension of what was going on in Russia under the Bolshevik regime?
People were being tied to planks and slowly moved into furnaces so the flesh melted off their legs while they were still alive. They were being placed in barrels with nails studded on the inside and then rolled down fucking hills. People were sometimes forced to stand naked in the streets of Moscow, in the dead of winter, and had water poured over them until they became living ice statues. The Soviet Union, during the Red Terror, actually BOILED PEOPLE ALIVE.
The Cheka was the most fucking deranged outfit, very possibly, in all of world history, and made Ivan the Terrible look like a fucking Disney cartoon character. This is the same nation that made its own people charge German machine gun nests without even having a weapon, and killed the entire family of ANY Russian soldier who surrendered to the German army. LESSER OF TWO EVILS? Are you fucking serious? You have to go forward 3 years into the war to even begin to find German war-crimes worth talking about when compared to what was going on elsewhere in the world, while the Soviet Union had already butchered more people than had ever been butchered by a regime in all of human history.
It was a nightmarish slave-Empire that had dump trucks full of dead bodies constantly driving up and down its city streets like some crazy science fiction horror movie, as if they were a part of basic societal functions, like trash disposal or the postal service.
This certainly doesn't make Germany an angel, but neither are we who had just finished our genocide against the Native Americans a mere 40 years before WWII started. The British had just about every non-white nation in the world subjugated at rifle point and the French had whatever the British didn't. Yet all of this, even the annihilation of the American Indians, cannot hold a fucking candle to what was going on in the Soviet Union which was, without question, the most horrific evil that world had EVER seen.
In fact, the truth of the matter is, the Soviet Union was more deranged and more evil in its crimes against humanity than the Japanese, Germans, Americans, and British COMBINED. You can tally up the savagery of each of these nations and the combined total of all of it won't even begin to TOUCH Lenin, Trotsky, and Joseph Stalin's Bolshevik house of horrors.
So here we are, having helped Communist psychopaths conquer the world and much of Western civilization, after their stated goal was worldwide Bolshevik revolution, and now we sit here wondering how it all went to shit. 250 million people were killed by Communism in the 20th century. Do you even know what that number means?
In 1990 the population of America was 248 million, so it basically equates to killing every last man, women and child in our country at that time, to the utter last, leaving the ENTIRE United States totally devoid of human life.
Hope that puts things into perspective.
The Soviet Union, between the years 1917 and 1950, was by FAR, not just the greatest evil of the war, but the greatest evil in all of human history, and anyone who would say they would prefer their families lived there instead of somewhere else (like Germany), is a fucking liar, insane, or just has zero knowledge pertaining to what the Soviet regime was doing to its own people. The Holodomor genocide alone killed six million Ukrainians through the misery of systematic, purposeful starvation in 1933, the same year the Socialist FDR legitimized the Bolshevik revolution with national recognition, which no other country was willing to previously do.
It's funny how little facts and the narrative of events we're given actually have in common.
Care to defend your `lesser of two evils` line? I'd love to hear the list of atrocities committed by Germany from 1933 to 1941, which was when American policy makers settled absolutely on siding with the Soviet Union to help it smash Europe.
Let's see how they add up and compare. Spoiler alert: They don't. Not even fucking close. They're not even in the same hemisphere.
Even if I was Jewish, I'd still choose Germany over living in the Soviet Union, and it isn't even close.
Our course of action in recognizing, funding, arming and aiding the Soviet slave-Empire achieve its goals of conquest is the primary reason the West is so thoroughly fucked up and on its way out the door of human history. It not only set Western civilization up for a rapid decline and its ultimate demise, but ruined Asia as well.
There was no greater evil than the Soviet Union and the Bolsheviks. I don't think you could find a greater evil if you look all through human history. You're just wrong, and once again repeating a narrative that has zero basis in reality because it's fashionable.
Communism built a mountain of skulls through a unique level of human suffering that could stand alongside Mt. Everest.
To defend our alliance with them is to defend that mountain.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 5, 2014 18:50:07 GMT -5
This has gone WAY off topic but... Do you not understand the necessity of America getting involved in WWII? We nuked Japan to save hundreds of thousands of America soldiers. Japan wasn't backing down even after we dropped the first bomb. Was it horrible? Yes. Was it necessary? Yes. After we beat Japan and Germany we helped rebuild both countries and left them to govern themselves. So much for Empire. The decimation of the American Indians looks horrible through the lens of history but when you look at it through how things were done back then and realize that they weren't this fictional peaceful people standing next to litter on a highway you can put some things in perspective. A large number were wiped out by disease that their systems couldn't defend way before they got blankets covered in small pox. You can't judge history by present day standards. Back to the original topic, no one said that the history of America was all peace and love but the framework of our society, how we evolve and the rules we live under for the average citizen is about order, peace and law. It isn't about riots, theft and battle. That is for the fringe criminal populations that are dumb enough to burn down their own cities in the name of justice. Please explain to me the "necessity" of `getting involved in WWII`. You say you're a libertarian yet now, in typical fashion, you're going to give me Socialist-Emperor FDR's propaganda talking points to justify getting hundreds of thousands of American soldiers killed in order to put most of the planet under the heel of Communist mass murderers. This is a great example why it's hard to take people's political opinion serious in this country. They don't actually possess them. What they do possess is whatever their televisions have supplied them with. Libertarians, ideologically, are not in the business of vast worldwide Empire building, nuking foreign nations, and arming, fueling, and supplying iron-fisted dictators, who had already killed upwards of 50 MILLION civilians in grotesque, straight up barbaric ways before the war even started, so that they can conquer most of the planet. Yet here you are. A libertarian, you are not. I'm willing to bet that's just something you say as a protest against the Republicans. What was America's involvement in WWII? It was starting a war with Japan by slapping it with an oil embargo that the entire planet understood would force Japan to react for its own national and economic survival. Then it waited, and pretended not to know, leaving its OWN sailors to get killed by a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor solely so they could get a nice, pissed off population willing to go along with our socialist oligarchs and socialist President's secret desires, when prior to this the nation was 85% opposed to any involvement. You call this `necessity`. Laughable. It's just more of our political leaders throwing American civilians into a meat grinder for their own hidden ideologies, and then justifying it later with defacto-bullshit which everyone is always more than willing to repeat to be fashionable. Then you gloss over the G-Nopecide of an entire people and chalk it up as "the times," yet if some Middle East boogey man kills 50 people, you'll probably label them as the next coming of Satan and support an invasion. So long as you're willing to parrot every last thing our leaders, past and present, have done, with an American-centric, though nonsensical view of the world, not truly rooted in objective reality, you basically lose all right to complain about the decline of the nation and the death of the West. More of the same leads to more of the same leads to more of the same. Time for people to start thinking outside their narrow little box. Are you stupid? Rhetorical question
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Post by ruby2 on Dec 8, 2014 11:17:40 GMT -5
WTF, who is the insane person?
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Post by thebigragu on Dec 8, 2014 11:24:07 GMT -5
WTF, who is the insane person? He's a real treat is he not?
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