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Post by Gunnails on Mar 31, 2015 0:48:52 GMT -5
Another thought is to go sign up at the smith&wesson forum smith-wessonforum.com/search.php?searchid=6848846This forum is a one 180 from here, they don't allow much shenanigans, it is huge, larger then JI was, and full of some real experts, those guy's know there shit, and not just S&W's, I've learned a lot there. They also have a classified section for used guns. It's a gun geeks paradise. There are also Colt and Ruger forums, TheFiringLine, AR15.com. My home board where I have bought and sold face to face without an FFL or a paper trail (completely legal in most states). www.northwestfirearms.com/find-new/3009673/posts |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 31, 2015 1:27:51 GMT -5
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Post by Wee Baby Shamus on Mar 31, 2015 15:38:57 GMT -5
Good advice by gunails ......
i buy from budsgunshop.com and gunbroker.com. You can get crazy deals at buds and i just bought from this place and they also have crazy sales palmettostatearmory.com
like guns say, being in ny you might encounter red tape. Just get the permit and go to any local gun shop and pick up a revolver. Its too bad you cant do your research beforehand and check a few out to see what feels right. Ny is retarted about guns....you cant even touch one without a permit. Its taboo.....
i would also suggest you show it to your kids and take them to the range. Let them see it, feel it and realize the power it has. This way, it will be old news and not such a secretive taboo item that they would perhaps seek out. You know how human nature is.....the more exotic, the more curiousity
i remember driving home with my buddies when i was 20 from edelmans with my first firearm, a .22 ruger rifle, feeling very wrong and dirty as if i did something i shouldnt have done. Looking back now living in fl, i realize how idiotic it is
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Post by Wee Baby Shamus on Mar 31, 2015 15:41:54 GMT -5
And the old man is a wicked shot. I cant believe he was hitting that metal that far away
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Post by crossfire on Mar 31, 2015 16:39:27 GMT -5
I have to talk to my brother. He has had a gun for years. He asked me recently if I wanted to go to the range. He lives in CT. Not sure how it works there so I will have to ask him. But years ago, I went with a friend to a gun club in Massachusetts. I had to fill out some forms but was allowed to shoot a variety of guns including a Glock, a S&W .44 magnum, a S&W .357 magnum and an AK-47. That was many years ago but it was very cool. I especially remember the kick of the .44.
I would like to get the permit and research which gun I like. But I have to admit, I have already been swayed toward the .357.
Does anyone know much about Colts? I grew up in CT and would consider one made by them too
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Post by PK on Mar 31, 2015 17:00:15 GMT -5
Shot off a few with my brother in laws fully auto ak this summer. Talk about a pointless gun. It's great to make noise and waste brass.
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 31, 2015 20:00:49 GMT -5
Most gun ranges where they allow you to rent will make you fill out paper woirk and maybe even watch a 15 minute video on range and gun safety.
Colts are sweet shooters, but the rumor is that you can actually shoot them out of timing, and that there are few qualified Colt gun smiths left, add that Colt no longer makes revolvers or services them, and thus the price for them is artificially high for the 357 versions especially, like the Walking Dead Python, Anaconda, or Cobra. Beautiful guns with a great history.
I have a Ruger Security Six and it is nice, Ruger has a great rep for building affordable, stout and reliable guns and there warranty is excellent. I just think they look a bit clunky.
S&W have a lifetime warranty on everything built since 2000 (?), they look great, and have one of the best factory triggers.
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 31, 2015 20:02:41 GMT -5
Shot off a few with my brother in laws fully auto ak this summer. Talk about a pointless gun. It's great to make noise and waste brass. It had to be fun though? |
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Post by jay57 on Mar 31, 2015 20:28:33 GMT -5
Second on the Ruger. The GP100 would be my choice for a .357 revolver. I like the S&W 686 and 66 but they are so ridiculously expensive and hard to find. Plus the Ruger doesn't have the silly trigger lock.
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Post by Bonhomme Richard on Mar 31, 2015 20:52:18 GMT -5
Great video. Boy that's a nice gun, what a classic. I wonder if I can convince my wife that I need one of these. What at did he mean by putting "hot" .357 rounds through the K frame, and how it might be damaged as a result? |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 31, 2015 21:41:38 GMT -5
Great video. Boy that's a nice gun, what a classic. I wonder if I can convince my wife that I need one of these. What at did he mean by putting "hot" .357 rounds through the K frame, and how it might be damaged as a result? ========================================== Hickock 45 was/is a life long competitive shooter. He does similar videos on everything from Derringers to full auto machine guns, I really enjoy his videos. What he means by hot is more gunpowder in the bullet casing, and mild would be less. The more powder (hotter) the more velocity and harder the recoil. There is a whole science to ballistics, it gets quite complicated. He is loading his own rounds, so he can make them as hot or mild as is prudent based mostly on info published by powder makers and such. |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 31, 2015 21:58:58 GMT -5
Too much powder in a load and you can blow up your gun. But what Hickock is talking about is more of loosening up the gun by firing to many hot loads that could cause the gun to malfunction or even wear it out. Conditions sush as the cylinder not locking up exactly with the barrel, cylinder being loose, cracking of the forcing cone which is where the bullet enters the barrel after leaving the cylinder, and all sorts of other problems.
Smith&Wesson have different size gun frames. J being the smallest and typically used for concealed carry like Dicks. K frames, a medium size frame such as that used by the 66. The L frame is stronger yet and used in guns like my 686 which most claim will never wear out with even hot 357 rounds. The N frame for even larger calibers like Harry Calahans 44 magnum. And now the X frame for the 500 magnum that shoots a .50 caliber and is currently the most powerful handgun in the world.
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Post by tbp on Mar 31, 2015 22:00:06 GMT -5
The S&W K-frames are notorious for not being able to stand up under the commercial 125 JHP .357 mag ammo.
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Post by Bonhomme Richard on Mar 31, 2015 22:23:29 GMT -5
Too much powder in a load and you can blow up your gun. But what Hickock is talking about is more of loosening up the gun by firing to many hot loads that could cause the gun to malfunction or even wear it out. Conditions sush as the cylinder not locking up exactly with the barrel, cylinder being loose, cracking of the forcing cone which is where the bullet enters the barrel after leaving the cylinder, and all sorts of other problems. Smith&Wesson have different size gun frames. J being the smallest and typically used for concealed carry like Dicks. K frames, a medium size frame such as that used by the 66. The L frame is stronger yet and used in guns like my 686 which most claim will never wear out with even hot 357 rounds. The N frame for even larger calibers like Harry Calahans 44 magnum. And now the X frame for the 500 magnum that shoots a .50 caliber and is currently the most powerful handgun in the world. Great info, thanks. I shot a .50 caliber at a gun range once in Las Vegas. Goddamn thing was a beast. |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 31, 2015 22:31:52 GMT -5
The S&W K-frames are notorious for not being able to stand up under the commercial 125 JHP .357 mag ammo. True that. the lighter bullet creates more pressure possibly? I believe the K frame was always meant to be used with .38 sp, but people liked the k frame and wanted them in 357 as the N frame was notably heavier and clunkier. Thus came the L frame. They say a K frame will last just fine with the common 158/165 grain rounds. but ballistics isn't just about tossing out heavy bullets like the .45 caliber which may have a 230 grain bullet at 850 feet per second with an energy impact of 350 pounds Vs a 185 grain bullet at 1200 feet per second with an energy of 600. It gets confusing, and every one has an opinion on which round is the most effective. At the end of the day they all will kill you and shot placement is the most important factor. tbp, I realize you know all this, it's just the gun geek in me that compels me to run on about all this. |
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