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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 17, 2015 16:09:12 GMT -5
Oh yeah? What did you think about homeopathic symphytum?
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 17, 2015 16:10:45 GMT -5
Instigator or not, innocent or not, he's the starting QB, supposedly a leader of men. He got himself, or let himself get pulled into, this situation, so either way, dumb dumb dumb. This is the bottom line. He did something to get himself punched in the jaw and knocked out as starter. I wouldn't put it past Marshall to try and smooth things and salvage the situation and tell a white fib or two for Geno's benefit as well as the locker room
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Post by rangerous on Aug 17, 2015 16:40:10 GMT -5
okay so marshall is saying some good things about geno. not that i think the ny slimes as being very credible but they were sure heaping it on IK in sunday's paper and basically saying that geno was doing all of the dissing and that it went on for quite some time. frankly, it sounds like geno is not a very stand up guy. the whole reason why he missed IK's charity camp sounded a little dubious. if geno is truly this way then he's going to have a very long season ahead of him. he clearly doesn't have the attitude he needs to give the team much confidence. of course consider the source. seems like all of the ny media is piling on.
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Post by jcappy on Aug 17, 2015 16:52:49 GMT -5
Nothing like a good ole witch hunt
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Post by Jetworks on Aug 17, 2015 17:09:02 GMT -5
We're on the same page Har.... I'm back to "wait and see" mode when it comes to Geno...I don't have much hope still, but I won't root against him if he gets the ball back I notice there's no threads about Genos apparent innocence. Feel free to go and start one if you feel it's so necessary. Why the passive-aggressive snipe? If you feel this completely exonerates him, go ahead and start a thread detailing your thoughts. I notice there's no threads about Genos apparent innocence. I am glad you finally mentioned it I was going to create a new thread with the Marshall ESPN interview that came out I find it extremely telling hypocritical that there is no thread on this. I think it really speaks volumes that there really are a lot who have an agenda against Geno! No, it's not hypocritical nor is it conspiratorial, that's just you projecting your feelings on the subject onto the rest of us, something you're notorious for and more often than not leads to a lot of angst for you and the rest of the people who have to read it. So stop. We all have opinions on the matter. Mine, for instance, doesn't line up with yours. For you, that means I have some sort of agenda. For me, it means I disagree with the current accounts being put forth. Best part about it is that we can both have differing opinions. The worst part is you want to take anyone that does have a differing opinion to task. Please don't. Show that you can truly agree to disagree. Or don't.
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Post by Peebag on Aug 17, 2015 17:16:28 GMT -5
I notice there's no threads about Genos apparent innocence. Feel free to go and start one if you feel it's so necessary. Why the passive-aggressive snipe? If you feel this completely exonerates him, go ahead and start a thread detailing your thoughts. I am glad you finally mentioned it I was going to create a new thread with the Marshall ESPN interview that came out I find it extremely telling hypocritical that there is no thread on this. I think it really speaks volumes that there really are a lot who have an agenda against Geno! No, it's not hypocritical nor is it conspiratorial, that's just you projecting your feelings on the subject onto the rest of us, something you're notorious for and more often than not leads to a lot of angst for you and the rest of the people who have to read it. So stop. We all have opinions on the matter. Mine, for instance, doesn't line up with yours. For you, that means I have some sort of agenda. For me, it means I disagree with the current accounts being put forth. Best part about it is that we can both have differing opinions. The worst part is you want to take anyone that does have a differing opinion to task. Please don't. Show that you can truly agree to disagree. Or don't. dude arguing with RahRah is like arguing with your dog...he hears the words but he just don't care....
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Post by Jetworks on Aug 17, 2015 17:18:53 GMT -5
Feel free to go and start one if you feel it's so necessary. Why the passive-aggressive snipe? If you feel this completely exonerates him, go ahead and start a thread detailing your thoughts. No, it's not hypocritical nor is it conspiratorial, that's just you projecting your feelings on the subject onto the rest of us, something you're notorious for and more often than not leads to a lot of angst for you and the rest of the people who have to read it. So stop. We all have opinions on the matter. Mine, for instance, doesn't line up with yours. For you, that means I have some sort of agenda. For me, it means I disagree with the current accounts being put forth. Best part about it is that we can both have differing opinions. The worst part is you want to take anyone that does have a differing opinion to task. Please don't. Show that you can truly agree to disagree. Or don't. dude arguing with RahRah is like arguing with your dog...he hears the words but he just don't care.... I wasn't crazy about either of my responses, to be honest. I actually came back into the thread to delete the whole thing but you quoted it, now I quoted it, which means I have to delete three posts. That's more work than it took to type it all out. Fuck it.
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Post by Harrier on Aug 17, 2015 17:51:56 GMT -5
I notice there's no threads about Genos apparent innocence. Feel free to go and start one if you feel it's so necessary. Why the passive-aggressive snipe? If you feel this completely exonerates him, go ahead and start a thread detailing your thoughts. I am glad you finally mentioned it I was going to create a new thread with the Marshall ESPN interview that came out I find it extremely telling hypocritical that there is no thread on this. I think it really speaks volumes that there really are a lot who have an agenda against Geno! No, it's not hypocritical nor is it conspiratorial, that's just you projecting your feelings on the subject onto the rest of us, something you're notorious for and more often than not leads to a lot of angst for you and the rest of the people who have to read it. So stop. We all have opinions on the matter. Mine, for instance, doesn't line up with yours. For you, that means I have some sort of agenda. For me, it means I disagree with the current accounts being put forth. Best part about it is that we can both have differing opinions. The worst part is you want to take anyone that does have a differing opinion to task. Please don't. Show that you can truly agree to disagree. Or don't. Where was there a passive agressive snipe? I just stated that I notice there's no threads about today's developments. If it was a snipe, I would have said something along the lines of "it's funny there's no threads today about his apparent innocence". My comment was just eluding to my original point quoted above, that if you like him then he's being hunted, if you don't it's proof he sucks. Obviously in this case due to the lack of threads regarding today's storylines, it's clear the majority don't like him. Makes no difference to me whether people like him or not, I'm not trying to covinnce anyone either way. I did not mean a swipe at you if that's how it came across. To me it was just an observation.
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Post by jcappy on Aug 17, 2015 18:07:12 GMT -5
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Post by Jetworks on Aug 17, 2015 18:20:38 GMT -5
Feel free to go and start one if you feel it's so necessary. Why the passive-aggressive snipe? If you feel this completely exonerates him, go ahead and start a thread detailing your thoughts. No, it's not hypocritical nor is it conspiratorial, that's just you projecting your feelings on the subject onto the rest of us, something you're notorious for and more often than not leads to a lot of angst for you and the rest of the people who have to read it. So stop. We all have opinions on the matter. Mine, for instance, doesn't line up with yours. For you, that means I have some sort of agenda. For me, it means I disagree with the current accounts being put forth. Best part about it is that we can both have differing opinions. The worst part is you want to take anyone that does have a differing opinion to task. Please don't. Show that you can truly agree to disagree. Or don't. Where was there a passive agressive snipe? I just stated that I notice there's no threads about today's developments. If it was a snipe, I would have said something along the lines of "it's funny there's no threads today about his apparent innocence". My comment was just eluding to my original point quoted above, that if you like him then he's being hunted, if you don't it's proof he sucks. Obviously in this case due to the lack of threads regarding today's storylines, it's clear the majority don't like him. Makes no difference to me whether people like him or not, I'm not trying to covinnce anyone either way. I did not mean a swipe at you if that's how it came across. To me it was just an observation. Seemed like a snipe to me, but I'm in a bit of a mood today, so there's that. No worries. I'll just go back to being pissy without the commentary.
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Post by RayRay1 on Aug 17, 2015 19:43:06 GMT -5
I notice there's no threads about Genos apparent innocence. Feel free to go and start one if you feel it's so necessary. Why the passive-aggressive snipe? If you feel this completely exonerates him, go ahead and start a thread detailing your thoughts. I am glad you finally mentioned it I was going to create a new thread with the Marshall ESPN interview that came out I find it extremely telling hypocritical that there is no thread on this. I think it really speaks volumes that there really are a lot who have an agenda against Geno! No, it's not hypocritical nor is it conspiratorial, that's just you projecting your feelings on the subject onto the rest of us, something you're notorious for and more often than not leads to a lot of angst for you and the rest of the people who have to read it. So stop. We all have opinions on the matter. Mine, for instance, doesn't line up with yours. For you, that means I have some sort of agenda. For me, it means I disagree with the current accounts being put forth. Best part about it is that we can both have differing opinions. The worst part is you want to take anyone that does have a differing opinion to task. Please don't. Show that you can truly agree to disagree. Or don't.
Oh knock it off, isn't part of having a differing opinion presenting that opinion and debating that with the opposite opinion? That is what I'm doing.
Opinions were initially formed on the information the media portrayed, my complaint is with the obvious media agendas.. Some fans however, have a personal hatred for Geno, so no matter what is said, their opinions are swayed, this is obvious.
I'm taking to task the opinions that were formed prematurely with limited and slanted information. The initial media spin was that the silence from the team put Geno in a negative light, both the local and then the national media. The problem with that spin is that the team had a closed practice, a travel day, a pre-season game, and then another off day, so how the hell did the media properly field team responses? Yet half this board and Jets twitter blew up with their disdain for Geno.
Now finally, we are getting team responses, Marshall, Decker, etc... It's also interesting that Marshall wants nothing to do with the local NY media, I know why, because I've always been disgusted with the clear agendas of the beat reporters that follow this team from the ny scribes. If you listened to Marshall's interview on Mike and Mike, he goes into some pretty good detail about that he was there and the way the incident did play out is very much different than what the media has tried to portray, and Marshall is one of the few to put his name on it. Why would he lie, he would have the part of the team that may have also been there refuting that, we can wait for it, but I'm pretty sure Marshall who was actually there, and put his name on it, vs Ryan Clark from BSPN, who supposedly "knows" a player, who "told him" something, yet we have no player name, or any credibility of that statement.
I would probably agree that Geno could have done more to prevent the situation, but in reading Becht's comments about how players usually never pay back for expenses laid out by players for their own off-season charity work when they invite other players, I'm lead to believe IK made a much bigger deal about this than he should have, and based on some of the reports that came out about IK, his temper, anger problems, and is frugalness with money, I do think IK is completely at fault for going after Geno. I think the situation played out along the lines of Geno said he would pay IK back, once training camp started, team in meetings all day, practices, living out of a hotel, little to know free time during the first 1-2 weeks, he probably let it slip or probably didn't get a chance to, and handled it very casually. I'm sure Geno had the chance to complete the exchange more promptly, if people want to put that on Geno, ok, but I mean, why would one millionaire worry about $600 for another player who was making $750K? IK didnt' want to wait, and made it a big issue. Geno probably got upset about IK making it a big deal and that is what IK responded to.
Here's the bottomline, for fans to be questioning Geno, his leadership, etc, because of the money incident, I think that is agenda driven rhetoric. To take it a step further, for fans to do the same about this stupid throwing the ball incident 2 days after surgery, which was an even more pathetic media driven agenda, and fans responding to that the way they have, is completely baseless and pathetic. I mean really, a QB is antsy two days after surgery, he hates the fact he's in the predicament he is in, and is anxious to test things out to see for himself where he is, he wasn't in any kind of attire that would seem he was going through a full workout. Then fans jumped on the rhetoric about how immature Geno is for not listening to the team, I mean really, and Geno is the only player to ever do this, nevermind a 24 yr old?
I think some are writing Geno off too quickly, he was having a great off-season and start to training camp, all players raving about how he looked. Does Geno still have room for improvement in the areas of leadership and maturity, sure, I'll buy that, what 24 yr old wouldn't though. The leadership he needs to be developing is while on the field playing, and performing, and winning.
The problem I have with some of the fan out lash, is they are using the misinformation we got from the earlier media reports to justify why they hate Geno because of how bad of a QB he is, which makes no sense, the two are completely disconnected. Geno does need to improve on the field, that progression was pointing in the right direction as of the last 6 games last year, this off-season, and the start to training camp.
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Post by Hotman on Aug 17, 2015 19:46:21 GMT -5
Where was there a passive agressive snipe? I just stated that I notice there's no threads about today's developments. If it was a snipe, I would have said something along the lines of "it's funny there's no threads today about his apparent innocence". My comment was just eluding to my original point quoted above, that if you like him then he's being hunted, if you don't it's proof he sucks. Obviously in this case due to the lack of threads regarding today's storylines, it's clear the majority don't like him. Makes no difference to me whether people like him or not, I'm not trying to covinnce anyone either way. I did not mean a swipe at you if that's how it came across. To me it was just an observation. Seemed like a snipe to me, but I'm in a bit of a mood today, so there's that. No worries. I'll just go back to being pissy without the commentary. This makes me wonder how many innocent inmates you have beaten...
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Post by RayRay1 on Aug 17, 2015 19:54:52 GMT -5
Feel free to go and start one if you feel it's so necessary. Why the passive-aggressive snipe? If you feel this completely exonerates him, go ahead and start a thread detailing your thoughts. No, it's not hypocritical nor is it conspiratorial, that's just you projecting your feelings on the subject onto the rest of us, something you're notorious for and more often than not leads to a lot of angst for you and the rest of the people who have to read it. So stop. We all have opinions on the matter. Mine, for instance, doesn't line up with yours. For you, that means I have some sort of agenda. For me, it means I disagree with the current accounts being put forth. Best part about it is that we can both have differing opinions. The worst part is you want to take anyone that does have a differing opinion to task. Please don't. Show that you can truly agree to disagree. Or don't. dude arguing with RahRah is like arguing with your dog...he hears the words but he just don't care.... It's jackasses like you with responses like the above that deserve responses like this...
GFY.
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Post by RayRay1 on Aug 17, 2015 19:57:05 GMT -5
Nothing like a good ole witch hunt
This is a great find, (where is this from?) a powerful and truthful quote from Marshall, and he completely destroys the NY media agenda...
Everything he said is true, and what I've been saying all along... He's young, he hasn't established himself, and he still has to earn it but is doing all the right things, until IK fucked things up for the time being.
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Post by jcappy on Aug 17, 2015 20:14:56 GMT -5
Nothing like a good ole witch hunt
This is a great find, (where is this from?) a powerful and truthful quote from Marshall, and he completely destroys the NY media agenda...
Everything he said is true, and what I've been saying all along... He's young, he hasn't established himself, and he still has to earn it but is doing all the right things, until IK fucked things up for the time being.
From the full Manish article www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/geno-smith-wrong-jet-wr-brandon-marshall-article-1.2328195
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