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Post by Raoul Duke on Oct 4, 2015 15:24:53 GMT -5
On the train ride back.
- wembley can suck my hairy ball sack. For fucks sake there are bottlenecks everywhere. We had no fun before the game. Waited 45 min to get my tickets which was unavoidable. Then 1h30 before kickoff when we were hungry they started closing all the venues outside. We had to walk away from the stadium to find a pizza joint. Then,, actually getting in to the stadium took at least 30 minutes waiting painstakingly for everyone to go individually through 10 turnstiles with a sea of humans waiting. Even the line to pee was ridiculous.
End rant
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Oct 4, 2015 15:36:31 GMT -5
Glad about 3-1, but Fitz is not good and Devin smith is a wasted pick with Fitz as our QB. Even that long pass to Marshall was under thrown. Would have loved to c what geno could do with all these weapons but he has no one to blame but himself for his dumb fight in camp. Oh well, we may never know. But, out d is solid but Fitz doesn't instill any confidence or scare any opposing teams. Guess we'll c how we do going forward, but I think we r a fairly good team that could b great if we only had a better QB. :-(
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Oct 4, 2015 15:40:33 GMT -5
I thought I touched on it already. Fitz is a scrapper, good intangibles, leadership, smart, makes good decisions, but his average skills as a passer holds back this offense from being better than it can be. We should have won this game by a larger margin, the offense executed, but it's missing a dynamic passing attack. Fitz has to be the starter right now, I get that, but once he falters, Geno has to get the call. I get the feeling the Jets want to play Geno, they know his physical abilities can take this offense to another level, but they can't right now, as long as they are winning. So put in the better qb if we flame out and fail with fitz or take a chance at the bye and go for the playoffs. The better player should play regardless of wins. This is about playoffs championships not season wins. Go all in or play safe. No one ever won shit playing it safe. I have fitz and Geno battle it out these 2 weeks and the better player plays. I still say Fitz must be the better player. If Geno really showed something i would imagine he would be in. Honestly i think the team prefers fitz as well as the coaches Agreed, let them fight it out over the next 2 weeks and start the better player. F it.
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Post by rangerous on Oct 4, 2015 16:19:58 GMT -5
ray ray summed it up pretty well. my biggest beefs are the penalties and the inability of the jets to close the game out. the folk fg miss was bigger than one might think just because it would've made it a 3 score game instead of 2. luckily revis makes the pick in the end zone and the defense bails out the offense in the closing minutes by keeping the doltfins at bay. the penaltiy total was high enough that if they didn't have such a point cushion they might have lost. those two pass interference penalties that led to the doltfins first td were pretty pansy calls. neither of the receiver's were affeted by the db. devin smith? it's much better with decker out there and let's hope he comes back in good shape for the redskins. smith should improve but like other have said he needs to make sure the play has finished before complaining. and yes it was pass interference.
give a hand to winters (who has been getting killed) for neutralizing suh. was wake awake? and it's plenty obvious how good ivory makes the oline look, although there was quite a bit of good down field blocking by winters and giacomitti. those two guys were playing with some attitude and not taking any crap from the doltfins. also give a hand to skrine who was very disruptive on defense. maybe the jets have finally found the guy to take brady and edelman down a few notches.
the doltfins are proving to be one very inept team and that's one thing that's scary about today's win. philbin is a goner.
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Post by rangerous on Oct 4, 2015 16:29:30 GMT -5
So put in the better qb if we flame out and fail with fitz or take a chance at the bye and go for the playoffs. The better player should play regardless of wins. This is about playoffs championships not season wins. Go all in or play safe. No one ever won shit playing it safe. I have fitz and Geno battle it out these 2 weeks and the better player plays. I still say Fitz must be the better player. If Geno really showed something i would imagine he would be in. Honestly i think the team prefers fitz as well as the coaches You know this is flat out wrong. Geno was the starter until his injury. Right now, Fitz needs to be the starter because he had to come in for Geno and the team is winning... Fitz isn't starting because he's the better player... imo, i think bowles need to look at this situation very carefully. fitz's short comings were exposed on those wild passes. he hit that first long pass but ever there it was about 2 yards too short and marshall made a big adjustment. but right now this defense is playing as advertised and the offense is performing pretty well. ivory, marshall, deker is not a bad set of skill position players. so the big question is how not to waste these guys? i mean, players only last so long and it would be a terrible shame if they fell out of the play offs by 1 or so game. i also think that with better qb play they win out against the patsies, bills and doltfins. i'm not a big geno fan but i'm also willing to see if gailey and bowles can turn this guy into something good enough.
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Post by Big L on Oct 4, 2015 16:36:12 GMT -5
Two thoughts - maybe the misses by Fitz weren't entirely his fault. Maybe the receiver ran left instead was supposed to run right? How do we know it was all Fitz? Certainly not blame free, but might not be 100% to blame either,
Second, can coach get this team motivated off the bye week to win a fucking game? Haven't seen that in years.
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Post by Jetworks on Oct 4, 2015 16:39:08 GMT -5
I really was able to appreciate what some are saying about Fitz, but I still believe he is (marginally) the best option going forward.
Winters played much better than what we were accustomed to previously, but his pass blocking still needs to improve and I wonder about how invested Suh was in this game.
Marshall, Ivory and Skrine were excellent. Imagine how much better Skrine would grade out if they would eliminate the ticky-tack holding rule? That said, I can live with those penalties as opposed to what Cro put up today.
Cro can't hit the bench soon enough for me, his mental lapses/lazy play is starting to catch up with him as he ages.
Mo, Snacks and Leo were beasting today. There was an early sequence where Snacks was momentarily tripled and still forced the play and got in on the tackle.
Demario Davis had a very good game today. Rushed the passer well, blocked passes, wrapped up on tackles and was all over the place.
While I loved Giacomini's effort and nastiness down the field, he needs to be careful as he goes a bit too hard at the end of the play, especially from behind. Pretty sure he got this |-| close to being flagged after doing it a 2nd or 3rd time.
Punt coverage. COMMON!!!
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Post by chadp on Oct 4, 2015 17:03:56 GMT -5
The good:
Running game OL Defense
The bad:
Penalties Special teams
He is my summary of the Jets- D is good enough to keep them in the game. Teams are going to start stacking the box and taking out the run/ making Fitz beat them with his arm which is not going to turn out well.
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Post by southside on Oct 4, 2015 17:22:55 GMT -5
Punt Coverage is a huge liability. I don't know if the problem is the punter, the players, or the coach. But they are getting destroyed.
Fitz is terrible. It is pathetic watching him try to throw deep, or intermediate for that matter... Or short. He's bad. Very, very, bad. And he may be better than Geno which is sad.
This team needs Marshall, Decker, and Ivory in a bad way. Let's hope they don't get injured.
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Post by nyahaybus on Oct 4, 2015 17:50:43 GMT -5
Only reason why I dont put Revis in front of him was b.c of the money spent and the expectation. You know what you are getting with Revis. Skrine was a steal for us.
Fair point. It certainly looks that way. Having him as a 'nickel back' seems almost unfair to the rest of the league
Very happy with Skrine. Had no idea what we were getting. He has a very solid skill set. Great job by Mac and the scouting staff in finding this guy.
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Post by RobR on Oct 4, 2015 18:30:32 GMT -5
It's Bowles....Todd Bowles. Not Bowels....that is what your shit moves through.
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Post by nycdan on Oct 4, 2015 20:22:25 GMT -5
It's Bowles....Todd Bowles. Not Bowels....that is what your shit moves through.
I'm confused. I thought that was Willie Colon...
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Post by 32Green on Oct 4, 2015 21:05:06 GMT -5
-I thought it was a great job by the coaching staff to have this team prepared with good game plans on both sides, considering the travel to London. Can't be ignored, teams are not operating at peak levels in a game like that... Team came out fast with good energy. -Defense dominated the game, great job on the final two drives when Miami started with the ball in our territory, real clutch on both of those drives, especially on the pass interference on Skrine, Jets buckled down tremendously, it was a great job and great play calling by Jets defensive staff... -Offense started hot, but the limitations of Fitz were apparent in the second half. The missed FG, several drives that just stalled, with a top 15 QB this team is a contender, there is no question about it. But with Fitz, I get the feeling that the Jets could be more with Geno, but there is no way Bowels will replace him right now. The offense could be more dynamic, and more potent in the passing game. They are very solid, but a top 15 QB in this game today and the Jets blow the Phins out of London and back to the US without a plane. -Phins are just not a good football team -Penalties need to be cleaned up. There were several very questionable calls. And where the hell was the call on the deep pass to Smith that should have been called a pass interference? I thought the refs were extremely liberal on the pass interference calls, that was the story. But I also thought that some of the plays were savvy veteran decisions to prevent a bigger play, which does factor into their effectiveness despite the help to the offense. -Ivory is a beast, he's just unbelievable. I'm still looking forward to Ridley coming back later this year, I think the Jets will need the depth in this offense, with the passing game being average for the moment. -The Jets weapons at WR can be utilized so much more than they are, but their talent is what is saving Fitzpatrick right now IMO. Fitz is the right QB right now, he's making good decisions for the most part, the intangibles and decision making is working right now, but a good defense will provide bigger challenges... -OL, despite all the fan paranoia with Winters in the line-up was outstanding. Winters had a very good game, the entire OL had a very good game, I don't see how anybody can complain about the OL play. -Fitz has no idea what to do with Devin Smith, Smith is out running every pass Fitz throws, the timing is not there yet, and Fitz may not be able to get there. But once that timing gets there, and Smith settles down a bit, he's really going to be a player for us! -Injuries piled up a little bit, but they all looked minor, and the bye week comes at a good time for players like Harris and Williams. -Sheldon coming back can make this defense special, and it already is pretty close to that. -A 3-1 record going into the bye is more than any of us expected and even asked for, it's big. Buy I really think this team isn't close to what it can be, especially if the QB play can get better, and it can, I just don't know if Fitz is the guy to get the offense where it could be. -Still can't say enough about how clutch the D came through in that 4th quarter, Miami had all the momentum with the offense not executing, and Quigley having an up and down game. I think the Jets really look at the punters during the break, Quigley has a big leg, but he's inconsistent, that needs to be cleaned up. But the D really shined through on those two drives late, HUGE and clutch play by the overall unit. -I thought Deon Bailey made two critical plays, just picked up this week, he came up big, we could have something there with this player. -The trenches and the defense were the story today, penalties kept Miami in the game that the Jets clearly dominated, despite the offense stalling out on several drives in the 2nd half. The bye comes at a good time, we will get some more players back, and the timing and passing game needs the work during the longer break!!!! Nice job RR! While Fitz is tough and impressed me with his scrambling today, that first bomb to Marshall was fortuitous and the catch was more about Marshall than Fitz. It was underthrown as was his horrible interception... and it wont go unnoticed in the league. One thing to have a weak arm, another to still make ill-advised brain-fart throws, only one of which really hurt us today (though he made several). On the positive side, I trust Coach Bowles will have an entirely different approach to the stupid penalties than Rex did, so we can improve on those. We cant be the 12th man on the field doing stupid shyte to aid a marginal QB gain major yardage in penalties. Otherwise, lots of positives..and def. stuff to improve on ...I trust in Bowles!
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Post by gordy on Oct 4, 2015 22:13:28 GMT -5
-I thought it was a great job by the coaching staff to have this team prepared with good game plans on both sides, considering the travel to London. Can't be ignored, teams are not operating at peak levels in a game like that... Team came out fast with good energy. -Defense dominated the game, great job on the final two drives when Miami started with the ball in our territory, real clutch on both of those drives, especially on the pass interference on Skrine, Jets buckled down tremendously, it was a great job and great play calling by Jets defensive staff... -Offense started hot, but the limitations of Fitz were apparent in the second half. The missed FG, several drives that just stalled, with a top 15 QB this team is a contender, there is no question about it. But with Fitz, I get the feeling that the Jets could be more with Geno, but there is no way Bowels will replace him right now. The offense could be more dynamic, and more potent in the passing game. They are very solid, but a top 15 QB in this game today and the Jets blow the Phins out of London and back to the US without a plane. -Phins are just not a good football team -Penalties need to be cleaned up. There were several very questionable calls. And where the hell was the call on the deep pass to Smith that should have been called a pass interference? I thought the refs were extremely liberal on the pass interference calls, that was the story. But I also thought that some of the plays were savvy veteran decisions to prevent a bigger play, which does factor into their effectiveness despite the help to the offense. -Ivory is a beast, he's just unbelievable. I'm still looking forward to Ridley coming back later this year, I think the Jets will need the depth in this offense, with the passing game being average for the moment. -The Jets weapons at WR can be utilized so much more than they are, but their talent is what is saving Fitzpatrick right now IMO. Fitz is the right QB right now, he's making good decisions for the most part, the intangibles and decision making is working right now, but a good defense will provide bigger challenges... -OL, despite all the fan paranoia with Winters in the line-up was outstanding. Winters had a very good game, the entire OL had a very good game, I don't see how anybody can complain about the OL play. -Fitz has no idea what to do with Devin Smith, Smith is out running every pass Fitz throws, the timing is not there yet, and Fitz may not be able to get there. But once that timing gets there, and Smith settles down a bit, he's really going to be a player for us! -Injuries piled up a little bit, but they all looked minor, and the bye week comes at a good time for players like Harris and Williams. -Sheldon coming back can make this defense special, and it already is pretty close to that. -A 3-1 record going into the bye is more than any of us expected and even asked for, it's big. Buy I really think this team isn't close to what it can be, especially if the QB play can get better, and it can, I just don't know if Fitz is the guy to get the offense where it could be. -Still can't say enough about how clutch the D came through in that 4th quarter, Miami had all the momentum with the offense not executing, and Quigley having an up and down game. I think the Jets really look at the punters during the break, Quigley has a big leg, but he's inconsistent, that needs to be cleaned up. But the D really shined through on those two drives late, HUGE and clutch play by the overall unit. -I thought Deon Bailey made two critical plays, just picked up this week, he came up big, we could have something there with this player. -The trenches and the defense were the story today, penalties kept Miami in the game that the Jets clearly dominated, despite the offense stalling out on several drives in the 2nd half. The bye comes at a good time, we will get some more players back, and the timing and passing game needs the work during the longer break!!!! well said and Geno still sucks
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Post by gangrene on Oct 4, 2015 22:17:58 GMT -5
I thought I touched on it already. Fitz is a scrapper, good intangibles, leadership, smart, makes good decisions, but his average skills as a passer holds back this offense from being better than it can be. We should have won this game by a larger margin, the offense executed, but it's missing a dynamic passing attack. Fitz has to be the starter right now, I get that, but once he falters, Geno has to get the call. I get the feeling the Jets want to play Geno, they know his physical abilities can take this offense to another level, but they can't right now, as long as they are winning. So put in the better qb if we flame out and fail with fitz or take a chance at the bye and go for the playoffs. The better player should play regardless of wins. This is about playoffs championships not season wins. Go all in or play safe. No one ever won shit playing it safe. I have fitz and Geno battle it out these 2 weeks and the better player plays. I still say Fitz must be the better player. If Geno really showed something i would imagine he would be in. Honestly i think the team prefers fitz as well as the coaches Geno has previously showed us that playing QB is not all mobility and arm strength .. sometimes it's about maturity,, game smarts,leadership,and focus. Fitz is physically limited, he is not going to consistently beat the good teams given his limitations. His intangibles, maturity, smarts, chemistry, leadership may well take us to the playoffs. My conclusion is 1. Geno is capable of better individual games than Fitz because of his physical gifts. 2. Fitz is capable more consistency i.e. capable of a better season's play due his analytical approach to the game. His maturity will help carry the team through losses and set backs along the way.
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