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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Oct 4, 2015 22:25:58 GMT -5
So put in the better qb if we flame out and fail with fitz or take a chance at the bye and go for the playoffs. The better player should play regardless of wins. This is about playoffs championships not season wins. Go all in or play safe. No one ever won shit playing it safe. I have fitz and Geno battle it out these 2 weeks and the better player plays. I still say Fitz must be the better player. If Geno really showed something i would imagine he would be in. Honestly i think the team prefers fitz as well as the coaches Geno has previously showed us that playing QB is not all mobility and arm strength .. sometimes it's about maturity,, game smarts,leadership,and focus. Fitz is physically limited, he is not going to consistently beat the good teams given his limitations. His intangibles, maturity, smarts, chemistry, leadership may well take us to the playoffs. My conclusion is 1. Geno is capable of better individual games than Fitz because of his physical gifts. 2. Fitz is capable more consistency i.e. capable of a better season's play due his analytical approach to the game. His maturity will help carry the team through losses and set backs along the way. The problem is, is that you're thinking about last year's version of Geno. I went to a ton of Jets practices this summer and he looked like a different player. Fitz NEVER challenged him for the starting position. Geno was much miles better than him in the offseason. The only reason Fitz is in there is because of a freak accident. We might be 3-1 with Fitz, but we've left a ton points on the board because of his arm. Defenses don't respect him, and we can't have 10+ play drives every time.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 4, 2015 22:32:49 GMT -5
Geno has previously showed us that playing QB is not all mobility and arm strength .. sometimes it's about maturity,, game smarts,leadership,and focus. Fitz is physically limited, he is not going to consistently beat the good teams given his limitations. His intangibles, maturity, smarts, chemistry, leadership may well take us to the playoffs. My conclusion is 1. Geno is capable of better individual games than Fitz because of his physical gifts. 2. Fitz is capable more consistency i.e. capable of a better season's play due his analytical approach to the game. His maturity will help carry the team through losses and set backs along the way. The problem is, is that you're thinking about last year's version of Geno. I went to a ton of Jets practices this summer and he looked like a different player. Fitz NEVER challenged him for the starting position. Geno was much miles better than him in the offseason. The only reason Fitz is in there is because of a freak accident. We might be 3-1 with Fitz, but we've left a ton points on the board because of his arm. Defenses don't respect him, and we can't have 10+ play drives every time. Just think, the Bills scored 41 (or was it 42) on the Dolphins while all we could muster was 27. The Fins scored 14 on both defenses which is sort of interesting
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 5, 2015 7:15:01 GMT -5
The more I see, the more I love Todd Bowles. The team is prepared, the game plans are good, and he immediately douses the flames of any controversy. No drama. No wasted emotions. And despite his quiet demeanor there is no doubt as to who is in charge. However, I'm a little concerned about how he might be dealing with the stress of his first HC job. Has anyone else noticed he appears to have put on a few pounds?
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Post by Fishooked on Oct 5, 2015 7:40:45 GMT -5
Looking ahead:
I don't know what the fuck to make of this Redskins team, I really have no clue which team will show up, kinda like the Eagles a couple of weeks ago. I don't want to same the same kind of lackluster play again knowing we have the Fagtriots the week after. Trap game take two? I don't know - hope not.
That is what I really want to see. Play like a 3-1 team and beat the teams that you should.
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Post by Vondarkmoor on Oct 5, 2015 8:41:55 GMT -5
-I thought it was a great job by the coaching staff to have this team prepared with good game plans on both sides, considering the travel to London. Can't be ignored, teams are not operating at peak levels in a game like that... Team came out fast with good energy. -Defense dominated the game, great job on the final two drives when Miami started with the ball in our territory, real clutch on both of those drives, especially on the pass interference on Skrine, Jets buckled down tremendously, it was a great job and great play calling by Jets defensive staff... -Offense started hot, but the limitations of Fitz were apparent in the second half. The missed FG, several drives that just stalled, with a top 15 QB this team is a contender, there is no question about it. But with Fitz, I get the feeling that the Jets could be more with Geno, but there is no way Bowels will replace him right now. The offense could be more dynamic, and more potent in the passing game. They are very solid, but a top 15 QB in this game today and the Jets blow the Phins out of London and back to the US without a plane. -Phins are just not a good football team -Penalties need to be cleaned up. There were several very questionable calls. And where the hell was the call on the deep pass to Smith that should have been called a pass interference? I thought the refs were extremely liberal on the pass interference calls, that was the story. But I also thought that some of the plays were savvy veteran decisions to prevent a bigger play, which does factor into their effectiveness despite the help to the offense. -Ivory is a beast, he's just unbelievable. I'm still looking forward to Ridley coming back later this year, I think the Jets will need the depth in this offense, with the passing game being average for the moment. -The Jets weapons at WR can be utilized so much more than they are, but their talent is what is saving Fitzpatrick right now IMO. Fitz is the right QB right now, he's making good decisions for the most part, the intangibles and decision making is working right now, but a good defense will provide bigger challenges... -OL, despite all the fan paranoia with Winters in the line-up was outstanding. Winters had a very good game, the entire OL had a very good game, I don't see how anybody can complain about the OL play. -Fitz has no idea what to do with Devin Smith, Smith is out running every pass Fitz throws, the timing is not there yet, and Fitz may not be able to get there. But once that timing gets there, and Smith settles down a bit, he's really going to be a player for us! -Injuries piled up a little bit, but they all looked minor, and the bye week comes at a good time for players like Harris and Williams. -Sheldon coming back can make this defense special, and it already is pretty close to that. -A 3-1 record going into the bye is more than any of us expected and even asked for, it's big. Buy I really think this team isn't close to what it can be, especially if the QB play can get better, and it can, I just don't know if Fitz is the guy to get the offense where it could be. -Still can't say enough about how clutch the D came through in that 4th quarter, Miami had all the momentum with the offense not executing, and Quigley having an up and down game. I think the Jets really look at the punters during the break, Quigley has a big leg, but he's inconsistent, that needs to be cleaned up. But the D really shined through on those two drives late, HUGE and clutch play by the overall unit. -I thought Deon Bailey made two critical plays, just picked up this week, he came up big, we could have something there with this player. -The trenches and the defense were the story today, penalties kept Miami in the game that the Jets clearly dominated, despite the offense stalling out on several drives in the 2nd half. The bye comes at a good time, we will get some more players back, and the timing and passing game needs the work during the longer break!!!! Our coach is no dummy. He knows we can win with the talent we have as long as our QB does not give games away as Geno so often did. For every game he wows us with his potential there are 5 games where he is awful, proving his place as the worst QB in the NFL* *ESPN Coach and Scout poll
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Post by The Turk on Oct 5, 2015 8:42:46 GMT -5
The more I see, the more I love Todd Bowles. The team is prepared, the game plans are good, and he immediately douses the flames of any controversy. No drama. No wasted emotions. And despite his quiet demeanor there is no doubt as to who is in charge. However, I'm a little concerned about how he might be dealing with the stress of his first HC job. Has anyone else noticed he appears to have put on a few pounds? If we learned anything from Rex its that; Fat coach=win Skinny coach=lose nothing else matters, it's just the weight of the coach that decides these games.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Oct 5, 2015 10:30:55 GMT -5
The more I see, the more I love Todd Bowles. The team is prepared, the game plans are good, and he immediately douses the flames of any controversy. No drama. No wasted emotions. And despite his quiet demeanor there is no doubt as to who is in charge. However, I'm a little concerned about how he might be dealing with the stress of his first HC job. Has anyone else noticed he appears to have put on a few pounds? If we learned anything from Rex its that; Fat coach=win Skinny coach=lose nothing else matters, it's just the weight of the coach that decides these games. Exactly. We should all be very happy he's gaining weight. Very. Say good bye to the lazy, overweight Todd Bowles, from now on he's a BIG FAT DYNAMO!!!!aka homer: "The slim lazy Homer you knew is dead. Now I'm a big fat dynamo!" Bystander: "Hey, Fatty! I've got a movie for ya: A Fridge Too Far! " Homer Simpson: "Shame on all of you. Give me my dignity! I just came here to see 'Honk If You're Horny' in peace."
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Post by Chesapeakejet on Oct 5, 2015 11:00:43 GMT -5
Having Ivory and Decker made a huge difference in being able to sustain drives and put up points.... I see why they waited so long in unleashing Devin Smith...hopefully he can get a little be more caught up during the bye Tacking was better on D this week...Front 7 got good pass rush Fitz leaves a lot to be desired in his arm, and is wildly inaccurate at times, but he's crafty...picked up some huge first downs with his legs Jets OL mauled in the running game....Did Suh play today? Sts Coverage needs a tune-up during the bye. Please take Zac Stacy off of returns Can we seriously not find a better punter then Quigley?! Hopefully Pryor and Harris are not hurt seriously -Yeah, everytime he would drop back to throw, he'd give me the drizzly fitzshitz. -Quigley. He has some dirt on somebody, he has too, that's the only way he could keep his job.
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Post by Chesapeakejet on Oct 5, 2015 11:03:40 GMT -5
I thought I touched on it already. Fitz is a scrapper, good intangibles, leadership, smart, makes good decisions, but his average skills as a passer holds back this offense from being better than it can be. We should have won this game by a larger margin, the offense executed, but it's missing a dynamic passing attack. Fitz has to be the starter right now, I get that, but once he falters, Geno has to get the call. I get the feeling the Jets want to play Geno, they know his physical abilities can take this offense to another level, but they can't right now, as long as they are winning. So put in the better qb if we flame out and fail with fitz or take a chance at the bye and go for the playoffs. The better player should play regardless of wins. This is about playoffs championships not season wins. Go all in or play safe. No one ever won shit playing it safe. I have fitz and Geno battle it out these 2 weeks and the better player plays. I still say Fitz must be the better player. If Geno really showed something i would imagine he would be in. Honestly i think the team prefers fitz as well as the coaches The 2000 Baltimore Ravens did.
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Post by Chesapeakejet on Oct 5, 2015 11:07:00 GMT -5
The more I see, the more I love Todd Bowles. The team is prepared, the game plans are good, and he immediately douses the flames of any controversy. No drama. No wasted emotions. And despite his quiet demeanor there is no doubt as to who is in charge. However, I'm a little concerned about how he might be dealing with the stress of his first HC job. Has anyone else noticed he appears to have put on a few pounds? With all the great restaurants in NY and NJ, how can one NOT put on a few pounds!??!?!
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 5, 2015 11:13:42 GMT -5
The more I see, the more I love Todd Bowles. The team is prepared, the game plans are good, and he immediately douses the flames of any controversy. No drama. No wasted emotions. And despite his quiet demeanor there is no doubt as to who is in charge. However, I'm a little concerned about how he might be dealing with the stress of his first HC job. Has anyone else noticed he appears to have put on a few pounds? If we learned anything from Rex its that; Fat coach=win Skinny coach=lose nothing else matters, it's just the weight of the coach that decides these games. Don't be like Skinny Rex Ryan
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Post by carlito1171 on Oct 5, 2015 11:43:50 GMT -5
If we learned anything from Rex its that; Fat coach=win Skinny coach=lose nothing else matters, it's just the weight of the coach that decides these games. Don't be like Skinny Rex Ryan Yeah....it's clear Fat Rex had Direct TV
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Post by DDNYjets on Oct 5, 2015 11:55:13 GMT -5
The more I see, the more I love Todd Bowles. The team is prepared, the game plans are good, and he immediately douses the flames of any controversy. No drama. No wasted emotions. And despite his quiet demeanor there is no doubt as to who is in charge. However, I'm a little concerned about how he might be dealing with the stress of his first HC job. Has anyone else noticed he appears to have put on a few pounds? I said this during the first pre season game. I think he has been hitting up the restaurants in Jersey. The job is stressful but his demeanor has been the same so I wouldnt worry about the stress effecting him.
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Post by Lithfan on Oct 5, 2015 11:59:55 GMT -5
-I thought it was a great job by the coaching staff to have this team prepared with good game plans on both sides, considering the travel to London. Can't be ignored, teams are not operating at peak levels in a game like that... Team came out fast with good energy. -Defense dominated the game, great job on the final two drives when Miami started with the ball in our territory, real clutch on both of those drives, especially on the pass interference on Skrine, Jets buckled down tremendously, it was a great job and great play calling by Jets defensive staff... -Offense started hot, but the limitations of Fitz were apparent in the second half. The missed FG, several drives that just stalled, with a top 15 QB this team is a contender, there is no question about it. But with Fitz, I get the feeling that the Jets could be more with Geno, but there is no way Bowels will replace him right now. The offense could be more dynamic, and more potent in the passing game. They are very solid, but a top 15 QB in this game today and the Jets blow the Phins out of London and back to the US without a plane. -Phins are just not a good football team -Penalties need to be cleaned up. There were several very questionable calls. And where the hell was the call on the deep pass to Smith that should have been called a pass interference? I thought the refs were extremely liberal on the pass interference calls, that was the story. But I also thought that some of the plays were savvy veteran decisions to prevent a bigger play, which does factor into their effectiveness despite the help to the offense. -Ivory is a beast, he's just unbelievable. I'm still looking forward to Ridley coming back later this year, I think the Jets will need the depth in this offense, with the passing game being average for the moment. -The Jets weapons at WR can be utilized so much more than they are, but their talent is what is saving Fitzpatrick right now IMO. Fitz is the right QB right now, he's making good decisions for the most part, the intangibles and decision making is working right now, but a good defense will provide bigger challenges... -OL, despite all the fan paranoia with Winters in the line-up was outstanding. Winters had a very good game, the entire OL had a very good game, I don't see how anybody can complain about the OL play. -Fitz has no idea what to do with Devin Smith, Smith is out running every pass Fitz throws, the timing is not there yet, and Fitz may not be able to get there. But once that timing gets there, and Smith settles down a bit, he's really going to be a player for us! -Injuries piled up a little bit, but they all looked minor, and the bye week comes at a good time for players like Harris and Williams. -Sheldon coming back can make this defense special, and it already is pretty close to that. -A 3-1 record going into the bye is more than any of us expected and even asked for, it's big. Buy I really think this team isn't close to what it can be, especially if the QB play can get better, and it can, I just don't know if Fitz is the guy to get the offense where it could be. -Still can't say enough about how clutch the D came through in that 4th quarter, Miami had all the momentum with the offense not executing, and Quigley having an up and down game. I think the Jets really look at the punters during the break, Quigley has a big leg, but he's inconsistent, that needs to be cleaned up. But the D really shined through on those two drives late, HUGE and clutch play by the overall unit. -I thought Deon Bailey made two critical plays, just picked up this week, he came up big, we could have something there with this player. -The trenches and the defense were the story today, penalties kept Miami in the game that the Jets clearly dominated, despite the offense stalling out on several drives in the 2nd half. The bye comes at a good time, we will get some more players back, and the timing and passing game needs the work during the longer break!!!! Nice write up, Ray. Have to admit I was one of those guys who was worried about Winters matching up with Suh, but the kid came through, he had a real nice game. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the difference in our offense in the red zone. Hard to win in this league by settling for FGs. We were 3 out of 4 yesterday and we are right around 75% on the season - 5th in the league. Last year, we were dead last at about 36% and we have been ranked 25 or below for each of the last 3 years. Probably a combination of factors, Fitz, Marshall, OL play, Ivory -- but we are doing a lot right in the red zone this year. Also don't want to discount Gailey - no more wildcat and trick plays at first and goal. The offense needs to get more consistent, and I agree about the limitations of Fitz, but I love what I am seeing in the red zone so far.
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Post by Peebag on Oct 5, 2015 12:01:10 GMT -5
On the train ride back. - wembley can suck my hairy ball sack. For fucks sake there are bottlenecks everywhere. We had no fun before the game. Waited 45 min to get my tickets which was unavoidable. Then 1h30 before kickoff when we were hungry they started closing all the venues outside. We had to walk away from the stadium to find a pizza joint. Then,, actually getting in to the stadium took at least 30 minutes waiting painstakingly for everyone to go individually through 10 turnstiles with a sea of humans waiting. Even the line to pee was ridiculous. End rant Fuckin' limeys...amirite?
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