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Oct 25, 2015 19:37:29 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 19:37:29 GMT -5
Well were not an elite top team but were a whole Fuck ton closer than a lot of ppl thought including jets fans everywhere. +1 There are exactly 6 teams with records above .500 in the AFC. There are only 4 teams with fewer than 3 losses. With 6 playoff slots and not the toughest schedule in the world, this team is primed to make some real progress this year. The Jets are playing for 2 playoff spots, not 6.
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Oct 25, 2015 19:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by Peebag on Oct 25, 2015 19:53:10 GMT -5
+1 There are exactly 6 teams with records above .500 in the AFC. There are only 4 teams with fewer than 3 losses. With 6 playoff slots and not the toughest schedule in the world, this team is primed to make some real progress this year. The Jets are playing for 2 playoff spots, not 6. fuck off - no one cares about your opinion.
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Oct 25, 2015 20:20:05 GMT -5
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Post by adpz on Oct 25, 2015 20:20:05 GMT -5
+1 There are exactly 6 teams with records above .500 in the AFC. There are only 4 teams with fewer than 3 losses. With 6 playoff slots and not the toughest schedule in the world, this team is primed to make some real progress this year. The Jets are playing for 2 playoff spots, not 6. Yes - and that worked out great for you last time.
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Oct 25, 2015 20:23:44 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 20:23:44 GMT -5
The Jets are playing for 2 playoff spots, not 6. Yes - and that worked out great for you last time. Not sure what you are talking about, the Pats never play for a lowly WC playoff position.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Oct 25, 2015 20:24:23 GMT -5
no doubt losing pryor and having ivory at half speed hurt. but you simply can't make the injury excuse and expect to be a top team. here's to hoping they'll be back next week. There is a huge difference between pointing out how our defense suffered after he was injured and making excuses. The Jets could have won the game despite his injury, but they didn't. That doesn't change the fact that the defense did not play as well when he was not in there.
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Post by The Turk on Oct 26, 2015 5:56:18 GMT -5
Pryor has been the best surprise of this year by far. He's been excellent at reading plays, better at taking the correct angles and better at tackling. Of course he was utter dogshyte last year so any semblance of life would have been an improvement but the Pryor I'm watching this year is a solid starter in this league. I think we'll miss him.
Now if the coaching staff can get a similar turnaround from Amaro next year, then we're talking a whole different ball game in the AFCE.
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Oct 26, 2015 9:26:29 GMT -5
Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 26, 2015 9:26:29 GMT -5
no doubt losing pryor and having ivory at half speed hurt. but you simply can't make the injury excuse and expect to be a top team. here's to hoping they'll be back next week. This. Three Fifths of the Pats O-line was newbies and, they did OK. This is the NFL. Guys get injured. Next man up. IMO, the loss was related to two factors. First, the inability to consistently pressure Brady. Second, The lack of any threat that the Jets would throw downfield. The Pats D had to defend less ground because Fitz can not throw deep. And I'm not just talking about bombs to WRs on Fly patterns. Watch other NFL teams play. There are always a handful of deep crossing patterns and 30 yard post where the QB throws a laser beam ball. The Jets do not have access to several chapters of the playbook because the QB simply can not make the throws. This is the simple ugly truth about Fitz. Great guy, very smart, and a less than average NFL arm.
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Oct 26, 2015 9:30:05 GMT -5
Post by 2foolish on Oct 26, 2015 9:30:05 GMT -5
no doubt losing pryor and having ivory at half speed hurt. but you simply can't make the injury excuse and expect to be a top team. here's to hoping they'll be back next week. Well were not an elite top team but were a whole Fuck ton closer than a lot of ppl thought including jets fans everywhere. +1
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 26, 2015 9:37:48 GMT -5
Well were not an elite top team but were a whole Fuck ton closer than a lot of ppl thought including jets fans everywhere. +1 In truth, the Jets are a QB away from being a Superbowl contender. Which, unfortunately, is just like being light years away.
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Oct 26, 2015 9:46:14 GMT -5
Post by tkasper01 on Oct 26, 2015 9:46:14 GMT -5
In truth, the Jets are a QB away from being a Superbowl contender. Which, unfortunately, is just like being light years away. This is so true. Look at what happened when we had Favre. Unfortunately we have really been in this position most of my fucking life (52). Been watching sub-par QB play since the early 70's now. Put even Rivers on this team and we coast to the PO's every year. Petty in 2016?
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Oct 26, 2015 10:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Oct 26, 2015 10:00:20 GMT -5
no doubt losing pryor and having ivory at half speed hurt. but you simply can't make the injury excuse and expect to be a top team. here's to hoping they'll be back next week. This. Three Fifths of the Pats O-line was newbies and, they did OK. This is the NFL. Guys get injured. Next man up. IMO, the loss was related to two factors. First, the inability to consistently pressure Brady. Second, The lack of any threat that the Jets would throw downfield. The Pats D had to defend less ground because Fitz can not throw deep. And I'm not just talking about bombs to WRs on Fly patterns. Watch other NFL teams play. There are always a handful of deep crossing patterns and 30 yard post where the QB throws a laser beam ball. The Jets do not have access to several chapters of the playbook because the QB simply can not make the throws. This is the simple ugly truth about Fitz. Great guy, very smart, and a less than average NFL arm. No one is making an injury excuse. As said before, acknowledging the fact that him going down seemed to be a factor is not making any sort of excuse.
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Oct 26, 2015 12:17:41 GMT -5
Post by rangerous on Oct 26, 2015 12:17:41 GMT -5
In truth, the Jets are a QB away from being a Superbowl contender. Which, unfortunately, is just like being light years away. true enough about needing a qb with a better arm. i'm no geno fan but i do think he is capable of game managing. lst season both games were 3 point losses and it can be argued that the jets should've won both. if fitz's arm strength is seriously keeping this team away from greatness then maybe geno needs to be rethought. and there's that whole thing about players not losing their status because of injury. i'm not trying to take a thing from fitz. he's done very well but at this point, even if they make the playoffs, this is a one or two game playoff team at best. the really good teams are going to keep playing 8 or 9 in the box until they get by going downfield.
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Post by gordy on Oct 29, 2015 10:23:11 GMT -5
In truth, the Jets are a QB away from being a Superbowl contender. Which, unfortunately, is just like being light years away. true enough about needing a qb with a better arm. i'm no geno fan but i do think he is capable of game managing. lst season both games were 3 point losses and it can be argued that the jets should've won both. if fitz's arm strength is seriously keeping this team away from greatness then maybe geno needs to be rethought. and there's that whole thing about players not losing their status because of injury. i'm not trying to take a thing from fitz. he's done very well but at this point, even if they make the playoffs, this is a one or two game playoff team at best. the really good teams are going to keep playing 8 or 9 in the box until they get by going downfield. Fitz has done MORE than enough. The loss to the Pats came because of poor field positioning, dropped passes (see Marshall), pussy defensive play call on 3rd and 17 and poor clock management.
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Oct 29, 2015 10:57:26 GMT -5
Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 29, 2015 10:57:26 GMT -5
true enough about needing a qb with a better arm. i'm no geno fan but i do think he is capable of game managing. lst season both games were 3 point losses and it can be argued that the jets should've won both. if fitz's arm strength is seriously keeping this team away from greatness then maybe geno needs to be rethought. and there's that whole thing about players not losing their status because of injury. i'm not trying to take a thing from fitz. he's done very well but at this point, even if they make the playoffs, this is a one or two game playoff team at best. the really good teams are going to keep playing 8 or 9 in the box until they get by going downfield. Fitz has done MORE than enough. The loss to the Pats came because of poor field positioning, dropped passes (see Marshall), pussy defensive play call on 3rd and 17 and poor clock management. The reasons you cite for the loss are valid, and this team can win with Fitz, but his margin for error is very small because his physical limitations do not allow the team to run deep crosses, comebacks, posts or flys. Basically, every pass that requires arm strength has been removed from the playbook. Not too long ago we had a coached that liked the "threat" of a wildcat just because it forced the other team to prepare to defend it. How many different passing plays does the opposing team need to prepare to defend with Fitz at QB? Any pass that travels more than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage has effectively been removed from the playbook. Plus, Marshall and Decker would kill defenses if they received the ball in space. Where is the space? It is Downfield. It is Not within 13 yards of the line of scrimmage. If I am the Raider secondary, I expect almost every pass to be a slant or a back shoulder. It certainly seems like they make up about 95% of Fitz's completed passes.
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Oct 29, 2015 11:01:52 GMT -5
Post by gordy on Oct 29, 2015 11:01:52 GMT -5
Fitz has done MORE than enough. The loss to the Pats came because of poor field positioning, dropped passes (see Marshall), pussy defensive play call on 3rd and 17 and poor clock management. The reasons you cite for the loss are valid, and this team can win with Fitz, but his margin for error is very small because his physical limitations do not allow the team to run deep crosses, comebacks, posts or flys. Basically, every pass that requires arm strength has been removed from the playbook. Not too long ago we had a coached that liked the "threat" of a wildcat just because it forced the other team to prepare to defend it. How many different passing plays does the opposing team need to prepare to defend with Fitz at QB? Any pass that travels more than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage has effectively been removed from the playbook. Plus, Marshall and Decker would kill defenses if they received the ball in space. Where is the space? It is Downfield. It is Not within 13 yards of the line of scrimmage. If I am the Raider secondary, I expect almost every pass to be a slant or a back shoulder. It certainly seems like they make up about 95% of Fitz's completed passes. But that's not the point. The point is that we are NOT losing because of the QB position. We have one that can sling it all over the place the problem is......it's to the other colored jersey!
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