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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 11:18:30 GMT -5
Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 29, 2015 11:18:30 GMT -5
The reasons you cite for the loss are valid, and this team can win with Fitz, but his margin for error is very small because his physical limitations do not allow the team to run deep crosses, comebacks, posts or flys. Basically, every pass that requires arm strength has been removed from the playbook. Not too long ago we had a coached that liked the "threat" of a wildcat just because it forced the other team to prepare to defend it. How many different passing plays does the opposing team need to prepare to defend with Fitz at QB? Any pass that travels more than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage has effectively been removed from the playbook. Plus, Marshall and Decker would kill defenses if they received the ball in space. Where is the space? It is Downfield. It is Not within 13 yards of the line of scrimmage. If I am the Raider secondary, I expect almost every pass to be a slant or a back shoulder. It certainly seems like they make up about 95% of Fitz's completed passes. But that's not the point. The point is that we are NOT losing because of the QB position. We have one that can sling it all over the place the problem is......it's to the other colored jersey! Are your views of Fitz based upon your keen eye for evaluating football talent? The same eyes that saw double digit sacks in Aaron Maybin? And I am not saying Fitz isn't the best option the Jets have at QB if they want to win now. He is. I am saying we can never be more than an above average team with him because he is "limited" in what he can do. There is a reason he has been on so many different teams and has only ever become a starter because the guy ahead of him was injured.
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 11:41:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 11:41:17 GMT -5
Night and day compared to last year Can he keep his intensity level up? he was selling out on Sunday; madonn!
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 11:44:54 GMT -5
Post by gordy on Oct 29, 2015 11:44:54 GMT -5
But that's not the point. The point is that we are NOT losing because of the QB position. We have one that can sling it all over the place the problem is......it's to the other colored jersey! Are your views of Fitz based upon your keen eye for evaluating football talent? The same eyes that saw double digit sacks in Aaron Maybin? And I am not saying Fitz isn't the best option the Jets have at QB if they want to win now. He is. I am saying we can never be more than an above average team with him because he is "limited" in what he can do. There is a reason he has been on so many different teams and has only ever become a starter because the guy ahead of him was injured. But what do you think? Come down to reality. There's only a handful of QBs that can combine arm strength, accuracy and smarts. You're stating the obvious -of course it would be optimal to have a QB with all those traits -but they are RARE.
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 12:06:29 GMT -5
Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 29, 2015 12:06:29 GMT -5
Fitz has done MORE than enough. The loss to the Pats came because of poor field positioning, dropped passes (see Marshall), pussy defensive play call on 3rd and 17 and poor clock management. The reasons you cite for the loss are valid, and this team can win with Fitz, but his margin for error is very small because his physical limitations do not allow the team to run deep crosses, comebacks, posts or flys. Basically, every pass that requires arm strength has been removed from the playbook. Not too long ago we had a coached that liked the "threat" of a wildcat just because it forced the other team to prepare to defend it. How many different passing plays does the opposing team need to prepare to defend with Fitz at QB? Any pass that travels more than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage has effectively been removed from the playbook. Plus, Marshall and Decker would kill defenses if they received the ball in space. Where is the space? It is Downfield. It is Not within 13 yards of the line of scrimmage. If I am the Raider secondary, I expect almost every pass to be a slant or a back shoulder. It certainly seems like they make up about 95% of Fitz's completed passes. Just curious, how many of said passes did or does New England utilize? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, why doesn't it hold them back?
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 12:34:34 GMT -5
Post by 10pennytocoles87 on Oct 29, 2015 12:34:34 GMT -5
Since no one's talking about it, I'll just leave this here:
Hope Pryor is back asap. He's made quite a leap this year and become a key cog to the secondary. Bailey is a huge drop-off.
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 12:43:37 GMT -5
Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 29, 2015 12:43:37 GMT -5
The reasons you cite for the loss are valid, and this team can win with Fitz, but his margin for error is very small because his physical limitations do not allow the team to run deep crosses, comebacks, posts or flys. Basically, every pass that requires arm strength has been removed from the playbook. Not too long ago we had a coached that liked the "threat" of a wildcat just because it forced the other team to prepare to defend it. How many different passing plays does the opposing team need to prepare to defend with Fitz at QB? Any pass that travels more than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage has effectively been removed from the playbook. Plus, Marshall and Decker would kill defenses if they received the ball in space. Where is the space? It is Downfield. It is Not within 13 yards of the line of scrimmage. If I am the Raider secondary, I expect almost every pass to be a slant or a back shoulder. It certainly seems like they make up about 95% of Fitz's completed passes. Just curious, how many of said passes did or does New England utilize? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, why doesn't it hold them back? 3d and 17? It seems whether your QB can make those throws is the difference between winning and losing. Heck, Fitz couldn't even heave one to the endzone after the Jets recovered the onside kick.
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 12:48:18 GMT -5
Post by Chesapeakejet on Oct 29, 2015 12:48:18 GMT -5
Exactly. AFCE may not be wide open anymore - but the AFC still is as far as the playoffs are concerned. Pats have had a creampuff schedule so far but are the class of the weak AFC so far - and we were a coin-flip away from beating them. And we already beat - thrashed - Indy. I'll take that all day long coming off a 4-win season and playing with our 'backup' QB.... This is a good point completely forgotten. Bills. Cowboys. Pitt. How are they doing with their backups. Pitt lost to the left for dead Chiefs. We are hanging in there with our backup But is he REALLY the backup?
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 12:52:07 GMT -5
Post by Chesapeakejet on Oct 29, 2015 12:52:07 GMT -5
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 12:53:36 GMT -5
Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 29, 2015 12:53:36 GMT -5
Are your views of Fitz based upon your keen eye for evaluating football talent? The same eyes that saw double digit sacks in Aaron Maybin? And I am not saying Fitz isn't the best option the Jets have at QB if they want to win now. He is. I am saying we can never be more than an above average team with him because he is "limited" in what he can do. There is a reason he has been on so many different teams and has only ever become a starter because the guy ahead of him was injured. But what do you think? Come down to reality. There's only a handful of QBs that can combine arm strength, accuracy and smarts. You're stating the obvious -of course it would be optimal to have a QB with all those traits -but they are RARE. Do you read? All I am saying is that a QB with no arm strength limits what the opposing D has to defend and what the OC can call. Arm strength is my one, and only, point. I make no mention of accuracy, smarts or the hallowed franchise QB. Arm Strength. Say it with me. Arm Strength. How many QBs are currently on an NFL roster who have less arm strength than Fitz? Has anything changed about Peyton Manning other than arm strength? No. And many say he should retire after this season because he has lost his arm strength. It is IMO an essential tool for any player who wants to be a QB in the NFL. Fitz is NOT a starting caliber NFL QB --- but he's our best option, which is truly pathetic.
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 12:55:05 GMT -5
Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 29, 2015 12:55:05 GMT -5
Just curious, how many of said passes did or does New England utilize? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, why doesn't it hold them back? 3d and 17? It seems whether your QB can make those throws is the difference between winning and losing. Heck, Fitz couldn't even heave one to the endzone after the Jets recovered the onside kick. But that's not even 20 yards. Heaving it to the endzone wasn't that more like 40 yards?
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 13:12:53 GMT -5
Post by cgjet on Oct 29, 2015 13:12:53 GMT -5
Yes - and that worked out great for you last time. Not sure what you are talking about, the Pats never play for a lowly WC playoff position.
You do realize the posters on this forum are going to savage you once Belicheat abandons ship, Rainbow Tom retires, and the Cheats become a sub 500 team?
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 29, 2015 13:16:14 GMT -5
Not sure what you are talking about, the Pats never play for a lowly WC playoff position.
You do realize the posters on this forum are going to savage you once Belicheat abandons ship, Rainbow Tom retires, and the Cheats become a sub 500 team?
oh, all the trolls will disappear just like they did during Deflategate
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 13:29:56 GMT -5
Post by Hotman on Oct 29, 2015 13:29:56 GMT -5
You do realize the posters on this forum are going to savage you once Belicheat abandons ship, Rainbow Tom retires, and the Cheats become a sub 500 team?
oh, all the trolls will disappear just like they did during Deflategate Yep! Not a peep to be heard from these assholes, like they never existed. Like the year 2000 and all years prior
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 13:39:16 GMT -5
Post by 2foolish on Oct 29, 2015 13:39:16 GMT -5
no doubt losing pryor and having ivory at half speed hurt. but you simply can't make the injury excuse and expect to be a top team. here's to hoping they'll be back next week. This. Three Fifths of the Pats O-line was newbies and, they did OK. This is the NFL. Guys get injured. Next man up. IMO, the loss was related to two factors. First, the inability to consistently pressure Brady. Second, The lack of any threat that the Jets would throw downfield. The Pats D had to defend less ground because Fitz can not throw deep. And I'm not just talking about bombs to WRs on Fly patterns. Watch other NFL teams play. There are always a handful of deep crossing patterns and 30 yard post where the QB throws a laser beam ball. The Jets do not have access to several chapters of the playbook because the QB simply can not make the throws. This is the simple ugly truth about Fitz. Great guy, very smart, and a less than average NFL arm. if this was already discussed i apologize...but Bowles had me scratching my head with the clock late in the game...
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Pryor
Oct 29, 2015 14:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 29, 2015 14:19:07 GMT -5
This. Three Fifths of the Pats O-line was newbies and, they did OK. This is the NFL. Guys get injured. Next man up. IMO, the loss was related to two factors. First, the inability to consistently pressure Brady. Second, The lack of any threat that the Jets would throw downfield. The Pats D had to defend less ground because Fitz can not throw deep. And I'm not just talking about bombs to WRs on Fly patterns. Watch other NFL teams play. There are always a handful of deep crossing patterns and 30 yard post where the QB throws a laser beam ball. The Jets do not have access to several chapters of the playbook because the QB simply can not make the throws. This is the simple ugly truth about Fitz. Great guy, very smart, and a less than average NFL arm. if this was already discussed i apologize...but Bowles had me scratching my head with the clock late in the game... No not really, I was wondering what others were thinking about that but it wasn't really discussed
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