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Post by gangrene on Dec 18, 2014 19:13:57 GMT -5
Josh Thomas says Jets didn’t coach him
Posted by Mike Florio on December 18, 2014, 4:54 PM EST
Apparently, the Jets didn’t tell cornerback Josh Thomas, “Don’t let your playbook be stolen.” They apparently didn’t tell him other things, too.
Claimed Wednesday on waivers by the Lions after being cut by the Jets on Tuesday, Thomas met with the media and talked about the things he didn’t learn about in New York.
“I feel like I wasn’t given the attention necessary as far as being engaged from the coach-to-player standpoint and knowing the things I need to work on,” Thomas said, via Michael Rothstein of ESPN.com. “It became where I was there as a player and wanting and desiring some feedback that wasn’t given. So sometimes I may have been standing there with a [deer-in-headlight] look in my eyes trying to figure out what I needed to do.
“So at the same time, just from the past experiences, every organization operates differently — so it could be the way that the Jets operate. I just want to be great. I want to get better every day. I look forward to enhancing something about my game every day, and [the Jets] were just more independent there.”
So what was his reaction to the first day in Detroit?
“It was refreshing, like, ‘Thanks for coaching me,'” Thomas said.
If the Lions make it to the playoffs, the message to the Jets could be, “Thanks for cutting me.”
Which could give other Jets players an idea. An idea that could lead to a lot more playbooks being lost.
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Post by 2foolish on Dec 18, 2014 19:21:49 GMT -5
love it...more fuel that the inmates run the asylum...
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 18, 2014 19:26:18 GMT -5
I don't think the Jets knew he was on the team. I know I didn't. Wait, do the Jets have a secondary coach?
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Post by nyjets1969 on Dec 18, 2014 20:18:01 GMT -5
This why I want Rex gone. I think this has been a issue with why Ryan can't develop players. You can blame this on the DB coach but it comes down to coach who oversees the entire coaching staff. Seems like Rex isn't on top of stuff even with his defense. I will be glad in 2 weeks when this clown is gone.
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Post by gangrene on Dec 18, 2014 20:40:39 GMT -5
Here's another one about the Jets being a mess ...
Jets offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg hints at philosophical differences with Rex Ryan
FLORHAM PARK — OK, maybe it isn't to the level where Marty Mornhinweg is calling certain plays just to stick it to Rex Ryan, but there does seem to be a dissonance between the Jets' offensive coordinator and head coach on whether to pass the ball or run it.
Mornhinweg, the offensive coordinator, pretty much aired some frustration by saying as much on Thursday.
"In this league, you need to pass the ball very efficiently to score points, typically," Mornhinweg said. "Now, every game's just a little bit different. But certainly the passing game, you've got to get that going to win on a consistent basis."
The Jets this season have a run-pass ratio that's almost evenly 50/50: 441 rushes to 444 pass attempts. But that number is a bit misleading because they've run it 120 times against just 70 passes in their last three games—a period that happens to coincide with Geno Smith's return as their starting quarterback.
And all that running the ball the last three weeks—beginning, most notably, with their 49 rushes versus 13 throws against the Dolphins in Week 13—happened after head coach Rex Ryan came right out and said he'd like to see the Jets run it more.
"We still need to be able to run the football," Ryan said in the week leading up to that Dolphins game. "For us to have the best chance to win, we definitely need to run the football. ... Maybe other teams can throw it 50 times a game. That is not the blueprint for us."
Still, Mornhinweg admitted Thursday, he'd like to throw it more.
"Everybody would like to be more like that because you score more points," he said.
Asked if the Jets began running the ball more because that's what Ryan wanted, Mornhinweg was evasive: "Rex and I talk each week, every day," he said.
It should come as no surprise that Mornhinweg's more pass-happy, while Ryan prefers the run; their careers before they worked together screamed as much. But Ryan, who had already fired Brian Schottenheimer and Tony Sparano as his OCs, nonetheless made the decision to try to make this work heading into 2013.
From the beginning, the Jets made every effort to try to be as balanced as possible: They went into last season with a rookie quarterback in Smith, and a receiving corps topped with Santonio Holmes and draft bust Stephen Hill, who both got cut before this season even began. Though Chris Ivory did turn into a pleasant surprise as their primary running back.
Then came this year. Smith, the Jets had hoped, would be a year older and much better, or at least consistently better. They added Eric Decker in free agency and tight end Jace Amaro in the draft. And they also brought in Chris Johnson to bolster the backfield, which also includes Bilal Powell. Yet what was missing was a fast receiver who could stretch the field, or what they had hoped Hill would be before he was cut at the end of training camp.
Mornhinweg's got this much working in his favor: Passing offenses do have greater success in today's NFL. Here's a look at league's top five offenses according to Football Outsiders' DVOA metric:
• Packers: 366 rushes, 473 pass attempts • Broncos: 390 rushes, 524 pass attempts • Steelers: 379 rushes, 548 pass attempts • Patriots: 389 rushes, 541 pass attempts • Cowboys: 442 rushes, 421 pass attempts
And the Cowboys' have DeMarco Murray, far and away the NFL's leading rusher this season.
Ryan could easily counter that the Jets don't have the sort of quarterback any of the five teams listed above do. Smith turned the ball over 12 times in his first nine game before getting benched in favor of Michael Vick. (And in six of those nine games, the Jets attempted more than 30 passes, with three games of pass attempts greater than 40.) Decker was hobbled for several games with a hamstring injury, after which the Jets traded for Percy Harvin, the sort of deep threat speedster their passing game had been lacking. And with Ivory and Johnson primarily carrying the load, the Jets have the second-most rushing yards in the league (2,060), even though they're 11th in rushing DVOA.
They're also 3-11 and missing the playoffs for the fourth year in a row.
"The way we're built, that's a reasonable thing to do," Mornhinweg said of running the ball. "We're pretty good ... so it's a conscious choice."
It's just not the choice their offensive coordinator would prefer. And that's been part of the problem.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 18, 2014 20:55:07 GMT -5
How long was this guy on the team?
You would think with our DB situation that these guys would be getting over-coached if anything.
Should have gotten rid of this staff in 2012. Fans got held hostage for two years b.c Woody couldn't nut up.
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Post by kreissage on Dec 18, 2014 22:49:35 GMT -5
I hate the coaches we have, they suck, but this sounds like sour grapes.
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Post by Bonhomme Richard on Dec 19, 2014 0:14:05 GMT -5
I think the whole organization should be gutted, from top to bottom... but this guy (who??) sounds like a whiny, crying baby. Boohoo, nobody held your hand in practice.
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Post by nyahaybus on Dec 19, 2014 1:15:17 GMT -5
a dickbag that loses his playbook/allows it to be stolen should not be considered to be a credible source.
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Post by Aussie Jet on Dec 19, 2014 1:30:23 GMT -5
I think the whole organization should be gutted, from top to bottom... but this guy (who??) sounds like a whiny, crying baby. Boohoo, nobody held your hand in practice. Maybe, or maybe nobody bothered to actually coach him and he's comparing his previous situation to a playoff-bound team that just signed him. Perhaps if the Jets coaches actually did some coaching, the Jets' record wouldn't be 3-11.
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Post by GanGreeN on Dec 20, 2014 10:01:13 GMT -5
Rex is a joke...
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Post by adpz on Dec 20, 2014 10:10:12 GMT -5
How long was this guy on the team? You would think with our DB situation that these guys would be getting over-coached if anything. Should have gotten rid of this staff in 2012. Fans got held hostage for two years b.c Woody couldn't nut up. That's a fair point. Whiney JAG or not, this DB is the kind of guy who should have received extra coaching. A coach should know you have to shore up your weakest links. Maybe they were too busy with all the other ones!! media1.giphy.com/media/6hG75nHladQhW/200.gif
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Post by vin on Dec 20, 2014 10:13:32 GMT -5
^ That gif is tremendous. lol.
But this is the perfect example of Rex not knowing what the hell his coaches are doing(or not doing).
This is why he should've remained a DC since he only has to focus on ONE SINGLE ASPECT of the team.
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