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Post by tinstar on Jan 31, 2016 11:01:00 GMT -5
Man, I don't think the Jets are making any decisions around/with Petty in mind. He's a farm project that the Jets were using to make sure they have someone in the bullpen. We really didn't know what the expectations were with Fitz last May. It was supposed to be Geno w/Fitz for insurance and start developing depth with Petty. Fitz is now the 1-A, and Geno is a cheap backup. This team is in a great situation to draft a high caliber prospect and bench him til 2017. Petty's just a "ehhh, if we need him" guy now. He needs to show something.... There's certain ways the offseason could play out where his roster spot is useful (no QB falls to us in the draft), and there's others where he'll be in tough situation to keep his spot. He'll have to outplay Geno - and if he's worth his weight in salt, he should be able to do that in his 2nd offseason... Ultimately it comes down to that scouting/eval team see when they work him out, but there's a lot to love about Lynch. If Petty does make the improbable leap this summer, we could be sitting with two interesting QBs in 2017; Lynch & Petty. EDIT*** To lend credence to all this -- It's the Jets who have let it be known publicly they're looking for that franchise QB. It's not forum-fodder, it's out there; the new Regime wants their guy. Management drafted Petty and planted him in the garden out back. See what the fall brings. Exactly, if the staff feels he has legit starting upside I don't think the presence of Petty will deter them from drafting Lynch. My only point was what that does to the roster and what the QB stable will look like come this summer. There is a ton to love about Lynch, but he has the same issues we see in almost every QB coming out of schools that run the system he did at Memphis. 98% of prospects coming out need to work on their footwork, it's just something that they don't spend a ton of time addressing at the college level. As far as not taking a snap under center, that's really not an issue considering Lynch is more than athletic enough to be able to do so. Bottom line, IF he is available at 20, you take him IMO.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 31, 2016 11:25:54 GMT -5
I certainly wouldn't be against it
The people who are hedging their bets on Petty are fucking cuckoo for cocoa puffs and that's coming from a Petty fan.
You never build a longterm plan with a 4th round QB as the catalyst.
There are some things I really like about Lynch, and some things I don't. But I agree that if he falls to #20...you probably have to take him.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 31, 2016 12:59:07 GMT -5
I certainly wouldn't be against it The people who are hedging their bets on Petty are fucking cuckoo for cocoa puffs and that's coming from a Petty fan. You never build a longterm plan with a 4th round QB as the catalyst. There are some things I really like about Lynch, and some things I don't. But I agree that if he falls to #20...you probably have to take him. what things are you not a fan of? |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 31, 2016 13:10:57 GMT -5
I certainly wouldn't be against it The people who are hedging their bets on Petty are fucking cuckoo for cocoa puffs and that's coming from a Petty fan. You never build a longterm plan with a 4th round QB as the catalyst. There are some things I really like about Lynch, and some things I don't. But I agree that if he falls to #20...you probably have to take him. what things are you not a fan of? Like Tinstar and sec101 pointed out, I think it's his footwork mostly. Certainly a facet that can be worked on, but there are times where he looks like a gangly giraffe about to trip over his own feet in the pocket. Then again I've seen the same thing with guys like Flacco (who I would compare him to, just not as much arm talent) and Glennon. That just may be the case with a lot of QB's 6'6 or taller. I think he has a bit of an elongated release as well. The ball doesn't explode out of his hands like when you watch a kid like Wentz. He has a bit of a windup. But I wouldn't fault him a ton for that. It's certainly not Leftwich-esque. Overall, I still see more positives than negatives. |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 31, 2016 13:23:34 GMT -5
what things are you not a fan of? Like Tinstar pointed out, I think it's his footwork mostly. Certainly a facet that can be worked on, but there are times where he looks like a gangly giraffe about to trip over his own feet in the pocket. Then again I've seen the same thing with guys like Flacco (who I would compare him to, just not as much arm talent) and Glennon. That just may be the case with a lot of QB's 6'6 or taller. I think he has a bit of an elongated release as well. The ball doesn't explode out of his hands like when you watch a kid like Wentz. He has a bit of a windup. But I wouldn't fault him a ton for that. It's certainly not Leftwich-esque. Overall, I still see more positives than negatives. I think like you said, there's a few things about his overall appearance that come inherent to being 6'7. He won't have the compact "spring" look of some the guys you see at 6'1-6'3... which also makes his mobility and propensity to make great passes on the run that much more impressive. Osweiler by comparison (and a lazy one at that) looks statuesque. What's happening with Lynch in the pocket (mechanically) needs good polishing... what's happening once he leaves the pocket, or when the ball's in the air -- is superb IMO and that's the stuff you either got - or you don't |
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Post by tinstar on Jan 31, 2016 13:52:41 GMT -5
what things are you not a fan of? Like Tinstar and sec101 pointed out, I think it's his footwork mostly. Certainly a facet that can be worked on, but there are times where he looks like a gangly giraffe about to trip over his own feet in the pocket. Then again I've seen the same thing with guys like Flacco (who I would compare him to, just not as much arm talent) and Glennon. That just may be the case with a lot of QB's 6'6 or taller. I think he has a bit of an elongated release as well. The ball doesn't explode out of his hands like when you watch a kid like Wentz. He has a bit of a windup. But I wouldn't fault him a ton for that. It's certainly not Leftwich-esque. Overall, I still see more positives than negatives. I don't think he has an elongated release. As a matter of fact, I think it's quick and compact and his angle varies when he has too. When he sees something, the ball comes out from where ever his arm is . It's something he will probably has to work on and why some folks may question his true arm talent . |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 31, 2016 13:55:43 GMT -5
Like Tinstar pointed out, I think it's his footwork mostly. Certainly a facet that can be worked on, but there are times where he looks like a gangly giraffe about to trip over his own feet in the pocket. Then again I've seen the same thing with guys like Flacco (who I would compare him to, just not as much arm talent) and Glennon. That just may be the case with a lot of QB's 6'6 or taller. I think he has a bit of an elongated release as well. The ball doesn't explode out of his hands like when you watch a kid like Wentz. He has a bit of a windup. But I wouldn't fault him a ton for that. It's certainly not Leftwich-esque. Overall, I still see more positives than negatives. I think like you said, there's a few things about his overall appearance that come inherent to being 6'7. He won't have the compact "spring" look of some the guys you see at 6'1-6'3... which also makes his mobility and propensity to make great passes on the run that much more impressive. Osweiler by comparison (and a lazy one at that) looks statuesque. What's happening with Lynch in the pocket (mechanically) needs good polishing... what's happening once he leaves the pocket, or when the ball's in the air -- is superb IMO and that's the stuff you either got - or you don't Totally agree with how taller guys, even if they are good athletes, look a bit rigid and awkward. Agree also about the Osweiler comparisons being lazy, I get it from just their height, but Lynch IMO is a much, much better athlete. Lynch has also had to grow into his body over the last few years, coming out of high school he was really gangly and awkward, that kept his stock down as a recruit and why he ended up being only a two start recruit and going to Memphis. I'm not sure the last time I saw a QB come out with 11.5" hands. |
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Post by beerfish on Jan 31, 2016 14:39:25 GMT -5
It would be a ballsy pick for the jets and half the fan base would go all bananas that we didn't take a guy who could step in and play from day one. I agree about most peoples thoughts on petty, has some abilities but hitching your future to a 4th rounder is nuts. As usual depending on who else is there I would not be unhappy with the pick at all. Take a chance on getting at least a long term good qb if not franchise guy.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 31, 2016 14:51:01 GMT -5
11.5 hands.. those are Favre sized mitts!
I'm banging the table over Lynch, because it's the Jets Brass that kept talking about finding a long term solution. They sifted through last years class meeting with all the big names and they're doing it again this year...
So i feel like - OK, if you guys are wanting to go in that direction, then don't piss around with Cook, or second tier guys. I don't want to live through 2nd best because it was in the bargain bin. Swing hard or forget it.
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Post by maury77 on Jan 31, 2016 15:24:33 GMT -5
11.5 hands.. those are Favre sized mitts! I'm banging the table over Lynch, because it's the Jets Brass that kept talking about finding a long term solution. They sifted through last years class meeting with all the big names and they're doing it again this year... So i feel like - OK, if you guys are wanting to go in that direction, then don't piss around with Cook, or second tier guys. I don't want to live through 2nd best because it was in the bargain bin. Swing hard or forget it. Go big or go home! |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 31, 2016 15:28:02 GMT -5
11.5 hands.. those are Favre sized mitts! I'm banging the table over Lynch, because it's the Jets Brass that kept talking about finding a long term solution. They sifted through last years class meeting with all the big names and they're doing it again this year... So i feel like - OK, if you guys are wanting to go in that direction, then don't piss around with Cook, or second tier guys. I don't want to live through 2nd best because it was in the bargain bin. Swing hard or forget it. Go big or go home! lol, i can't take anything seriously when i'm staring at the saxophone player from Lost boys.. haha. that's who that is, right?? |
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Post by maury77 on Jan 31, 2016 15:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by Paradis on Feb 6, 2016 20:32:27 GMT -5
After seeing some of the pics of Lynch recently hanging out with Haslam and Hue... i'm suddenly not so sure that he's off their board for #2 (as he shouldn't be, to be honest). Plus he's going to look good at the combine, sending his stock back up the ladder.
Question:
Would you trade the #20 pick and Wilkerson to SF to move up to #7 to take Lynch? Assuming the team bought in 100% that he was the guy - would you be pissed, or OK with it.
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Post by RobR on Feb 6, 2016 20:37:42 GMT -5
After seeing some of the pics of Lynch recently hanging out with Haslam and Hue... i'm suddenly not so sure that he's off their board for #2 (as he shouldn't be, to be honest). Plus he's going to look good at the combine, sending his stock back up the ladder. Question: Would you trade the #20 pick and Wilkerson to SF to move up to #7 to take Lynch? Assuming the team bought in 100% that he was the guy - would you be pissed, or OK with it. If they thought he was 100% the guy I would make that trade every single day and I'm in the camp of wanting to keep Mo long term. |
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Post by Lithfan on Feb 6, 2016 22:36:53 GMT -5
Question: Would you trade the #20 pick and Wilkerson to SF to move up to #7 to take Lynch? Assuming the team bought in 100% that he was the guy - would you be pissed, or OK with it. I would be okay with it. If we are going to trade Mo, and we do it to come away with a franchise QB, I could live with that. Although the deal might have to be with the Ravens to get to 6 and jump ahead of SF, because if Lynch is on the board and the Niners like him, we are not getting their pick. More likely, if we deal Mo he goes to the Raiders to get #14 and then we package 14 & 20 to get into the top 10 and get our guy at QB. |
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