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Post by Paradis on Jan 30, 2016 11:35:51 GMT -5
Front office hasn't been shy about their agenda. They're looking for the future, and they're looking early. I expect they'll meet/work out all the top names.
One guy I believe we may have a shot at is Paxton Lynch and we need to take him seriously. His stock's cooled and while he might warm up again I don't think it's a lock he's gone. SF seems to have settled on restarting project Kap, FA QBs this year are above average and if PHI resigns Sam, then LA is really the only other hot suitor (besides CLE)
Enter Lynch. A year behind Fitz? Physical specimen with a Gailey friendly Arm? I watched some games of his prior to his late season fade, and I have no concerns about his game at the pro level. Seems like a good kid too.
Thoughts?
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Post by maury77 on Jan 30, 2016 17:37:43 GMT -5
Front office hasn't been shy about their agenda. They're looking for the future, and they're looking early. I expect they'll meet/work out all the top names. One guy I believe we may have a shot at is Paxton Lynch and we need to take him seriously. His stock's cooled and while he might warm up again I don't think it's a lock he's gone. SF seems to have settled on restarting project Kap, FA QBs this year are above average and if PHI resigns Sam, then LA is really the only other hot suitor (besides CLE) Enter Lynch. A year behind Fitz? Physical specimen with a Gailey friendly Arm? I watched some games of his prior to his late season fade, and I have no concerns about his game at the pro level. Seems like a good kid too. Thoughts? I agree with everything you said and I have been thinking the same thing. Lynch isn't ready to start away, but in a year or two, he might be better than any other QB in this draft. |
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Post by TheMo on Jan 30, 2016 18:28:55 GMT -5
I've read there are some serious questions about his work ethic. Anyone know if there is any truth to that?
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Post by Paradis on Jan 30, 2016 18:50:06 GMT -5
I've read there are some serious questions about his work ethic. Anyone know if there is any truth to that? wow really? I never heard that anywhere. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 30, 2016 19:23:13 GMT -5
Front office hasn't been shy about their agenda. They're looking for the future, and they're looking early. I expect they'll meet/work out all the top names. One guy I believe we may have a shot at is Paxton Lynch and we need to take him seriously. His stock's cooled and while he might warm up again I don't think it's a lock he's gone. SF seems to have settled on restarting project Kap, FA QBs this year are above average and if PHI resigns Sam, then LA is really the only other hot suitor (besides CLE) Enter Lynch. A year behind Fitz? Physical specimen with a Gailey friendly Arm? I watched some games of his prior to his late season fade, and I have no concerns about his game at the pro level. Seems like a good kid too. Thoughts? Kid has 11.5" hands, which if true, is pretty crazy. He doesn't have all world arm talent but if he cleans up some footwork stuff he could have a plus arm. He is way more athletic IMO than Ossweiler, who seems to be the common comparison that people are making. Fuente (Memphis HC) came from TCU so it makes sense that Lynch threw a lot of short, quick passes and didn't take many shots downfield, not an indictment on Lynch, just the Memphis system and lack of dynamic play makers on their roster. I guess the question will be, what does the Jets staff really think about Petty and if they feel Lynch is a big enough upgrade to warrant using a first round pick on him. |
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Post by maury77 on Jan 30, 2016 19:29:29 GMT -5
Front office hasn't been shy about their agenda. They're looking for the future, and they're looking early. I expect they'll meet/work out all the top names. One guy I believe we may have a shot at is Paxton Lynch and we need to take him seriously. His stock's cooled and while he might warm up again I don't think it's a lock he's gone. SF seems to have settled on restarting project Kap, FA QBs this year are above average and if PHI resigns Sam, then LA is really the only other hot suitor (besides CLE) Enter Lynch. A year behind Fitz? Physical specimen with a Gailey friendly Arm? I watched some games of his prior to his late season fade, and I have no concerns about his game at the pro level. Seems like a good kid too. Thoughts? Kid has 11.5" hands, which if true, is pretty crazy. He doesn't have all world arm talent but if he cleans up some footwork stuff he could have a plus arm. He is way more athletic IMO than Ossweiler, who seems to be the common comparison that people are making. Fuente (Memphis HC) came from TCU so it makes sense that Lynch threw a lot of short, quick passes and didn't take many shots downfield, not an indictment on Lynch, just the Memphis system and lack of dynamic play makers on their roster. I guess the question will be, what does the Jets staff really think about Petty and if they feel Lynch is a big enough upgrade to warrant using a first round pick on him. Do you feel he is a big upgrade over Petty? I believe he is. Lynch is significantly more gifted physically and younger (Petty turns 25 I believe this year). |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 30, 2016 20:07:34 GMT -5
Kid has 11.5" hands, which if true, is pretty crazy. He doesn't have all world arm talent but if he cleans up some footwork stuff he could have a plus arm. He is way more athletic IMO than Ossweiler, who seems to be the common comparison that people are making. Fuente (Memphis HC) came from TCU so it makes sense that Lynch threw a lot of short, quick passes and didn't take many shots downfield, not an indictment on Lynch, just the Memphis system and lack of dynamic play makers on their roster. I guess the question will be, what does the Jets staff really think about Petty and if they feel Lynch is a big enough upgrade to warrant using a first round pick on him. Do you feel he is a big upgrade over Petty? I believe he is. Lynch is significantly more gifted physically and younger (Petty turns 25 I believe this year). You could argue that Petty has better overall arm talent than Lynch right now. Lynch's size and his higher ceiling probably make him the better prospect going forward. My question would be IF the Jets draft Lynch in the first round what effect will that have on their roster? They would have to carry 4 QBs on their roster no? I wouldn't be comfortable with just Fitz, Petty and Lynch as the QBs. I think you have to plan for the very real possibility that Fitz will not have another career year and having a viable back up is going to be paramount. Is Petty ready for that role? I have no idea. |
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Post by tinstar on Jan 30, 2016 20:19:17 GMT -5
Funny, but I just decided to spend Monday going through his games again .
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Post by maury77 on Jan 30, 2016 21:02:53 GMT -5
Do you feel he is a big upgrade over Petty? I believe he is. Lynch is significantly more gifted physically and younger (Petty turns 25 I believe this year). You could argue that Petty has better overall arm talent than Lynch right now. Lynch's size and his higher ceiling probably make him the better prospect going forward. My question would be IF the Jets draft Lynch in the first round what effect will that have on their roster? They would have to carry 4 QBs on their roster no? I wouldn't be comfortable with just Fitz, Petty and Lynch as the QBs. I think you have to plan for the very real possibility that Fitz will not have another career year and having a viable back up is going to be paramount. Is Petty ready for that role? I have no idea. That's a very interesting point. Assuming that the Jets don't carry 4 quarterbacks, it would be very risky for the Jets to go into the season with Petty as the main backup. They may try to stash Petty on the practice squad (where he would probably get swiped). |
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Post by tinstar on Jan 30, 2016 22:24:33 GMT -5
You could argue that Petty has better overall arm talent than Lynch right now. Lynch's size and his higher ceiling probably make him the better prospect going forward. My question would be IF the Jets draft Lynch in the first round what effect will that have on their roster? They would have to carry 4 QBs on their roster no? I wouldn't be comfortable with just Fitz, Petty and Lynch as the QBs. I think you have to plan for the very real possibility that Fitz will not have another career year and having a viable back up is going to be paramount. Is Petty ready for that role? I have no idea. That's a very interesting point. Assuming that the Jets don't carry 4 quarterbacks, it would be very risky for the Jets to go into the season with Petty as the main backup. They may try to stash Petty on the practice squad (where he would probably get swiped). The Jets are going to have 4 QB associated with the team next year. One of the 4 is going to come down with a mysterious injury near the end of camp thou, making them eligible for injured reserve for the 2016 season. |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 31, 2016 1:37:46 GMT -5
Do you feel he is a big upgrade over Petty? I believe he is. Lynch is significantly more gifted physically and younger (Petty turns 25 I believe this year). You could argue that Petty has better overall arm talent than Lynch right now. Lynch's size and his higher ceiling probably make him the better prospect going forward. My question would be IF the Jets draft Lynch in the first round what effect will that have on their roster? They would have to carry 4 QBs on their roster no? I wouldn't be comfortable with just Fitz, Petty and Lynch as the QBs. I think you have to plan for the very real possibility that Fitz will not have another career year and having a viable back up is going to be paramount. Is Petty ready for that role? I have no idea. Man, I don't think the Jets are making any decisions around/with Petty in mind. He's a farm project that the Jets were using to make sure they have someone in the bullpen. We really didn't know what the expectations were with Fitz last May. It was supposed to be Geno w/Fitz for insurance and start developing depth with Petty. Fitz is now the 1-A, and Geno is a cheap backup. This team is in a great situation to draft a high caliber prospect and bench him til 2017. Petty's just a "ehhh, if we need him" guy now. He needs to show something.... There's certain ways the offseason could play out where his roster spot is useful (no QB falls to us in the draft), and there's others where he'll be in tough situation to keep his spot. He'll have to outplay Geno - and if he's worth his weight in salt, he should be able to do that in his 2nd offseason... Ultimately it comes down to that scouting/eval team see when they work him out, but there's a lot to love about Lynch. If Petty does make the improbable leap this summer, we could be sitting with two interesting QBs in 2017; Lynch & Petty. EDIT*** To lend credence to all this -- It's the Jets who have let it be known publicly they're looking for that franchise QB. It's not forum-fodder, it's out there; the new Regime wants their guy. Management drafted Petty and planted him in the garden out back. See what the fall brings. |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 31, 2016 2:37:11 GMT -5
I'm just gonna leave this here.... 2 very different type of games. All the same kind of "yes". I don't know how you don't love this kid in our offense. There's a long list of things I like that I'm seeing, but I'll let someone else take the mic
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Post by tinstar on Jan 31, 2016 9:27:00 GMT -5
Watched both these games on last night and while there is much to like with this QB, he's at least 2 ys away from stepping under center at the NFL level.
His foot work is awful
His next snap from under center will be his 1st
This kid couldn't fake out a 2 yr old with his play action
That said,
He's got a pretty live arm
He's huge with excellent mobility (athletic)
He's got a quick compact release
He throws well enough moving either left of right
He shows a combination of velocity and touch when he needs to on his throws
He displayed poise in leading his team down the field against The Cougars after blowing a big lead.
That display of poise embodied leadership, an important trait for a QB.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 31, 2016 10:25:22 GMT -5
You could argue that Petty has better overall arm talent than Lynch right now. Lynch's size and his higher ceiling probably make him the better prospect going forward. My question would be IF the Jets draft Lynch in the first round what effect will that have on their roster? They would have to carry 4 QBs on their roster no? I wouldn't be comfortable with just Fitz, Petty and Lynch as the QBs. I think you have to plan for the very real possibility that Fitz will not have another career year and having a viable back up is going to be paramount. Is Petty ready for that role? I have no idea. Man, I don't think the Jets are making any decisions around/with Petty in mind. He's a farm project that the Jets were using to make sure they have someone in the bullpen. We really didn't know what the expectations were with Fitz last May. It was supposed to be Geno w/Fitz for insurance and start developing depth with Petty. Fitz is now the 1-A, and Geno is a cheap backup. This team is in a great situation to draft a high caliber prospect and bench him til 2017. Petty's just a "ehhh, if we need him" guy now. He needs to show something.... There's certain ways the offseason could play out where his roster spot is useful (no QB falls to us in the draft), and there's others where he'll be in tough situation to keep his spot. He'll have to outplay Geno - and if he's worth his weight in salt, he should be able to do that in his 2nd offseason... Ultimately it comes down to that scouting/eval team see when they work him out, but there's a lot to love about Lynch. If Petty does make the improbable leap this summer, we could be sitting with two interesting QBs in 2017; Lynch & Petty. EDIT*** To lend credence to all this -- It's the Jets who have let it be known publicly they're looking for that franchise QB. It's not forum-fodder, it's out there; the new Regime wants their guy. Management drafted Petty and planted him in the garden out back. See what the fall brings. Exactly, if the staff feels he has legit starting upside I don't think the presence of Petty will deter them from drafting Lynch. My only point was what that does to the roster and what the QB stable will look like come this summer. There is a ton to love about Lynch, but he has the same issues we see in almost every QB coming out of schools that run the system he did at Memphis. 98% of prospects coming out need to work on their footwork, it's just something that they don't spend a ton of time addressing at the college level. As far as not taking a snap under center, that's really not an issue considering Lynch is more than athletic enough to be able to do so. Bottom line, IF he is available at 20, you take him IMO. |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 31, 2016 10:37:13 GMT -5
Watched both these games on last night and while there is much to like with this QB, he's at least 2 ys away from stepping under center at the NFL level. His foot work is awful His next snap from under center will be his 1st This kid couldn't fake out a 2 yr old with his play action That said, He's got a pretty live arm He's huge with excellent mobility (athletic) He's got a quick compact release He throws well enough moving either left of right He shows a combination of velocity and touch when he needs to on his throws He displayed poise in leading his team down the field against The Cougars after blowing a big lead. That display of poise embodied leadership, an important trait for a QB. He needs that 1-2 years with a headset on sundays. Any games he starts in 2016 would be a selfish/impatient move by the franchise IMO.... But i think we're in a good position to not have to go down that road. Regardless - footwork and practicing under center? I'll take that any day. You can't teach the intangibles he's got. He's a baller. I'm not a QB whisperer, but i know a baller when i see one. He'll play the same way in qt1 vs JAX as he will qt4 VS NE down by 7. He looks like supersized Aaron Rodgers out there. The touch and vision downfield while he's on the move is remarkable. Me personally, in the last 5 years there's only 2 QBs I've liked (not counting Luck of course) -- Newton and Winston... OK, I had a softspot for Bridgewater too I guess. I love this Lynch guy... mark it down. I would love to spend a first on him. |
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