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Post by Warfish on Mar 21, 2016 15:27:52 GMT -5
Kiss unregulated guns goodbye my friend. The savage era of American cowboys is soon to end. You know, it's funny......Terrorists killed what, a few thousand American here total since 2001. Americans with guns have killed what, 500,000 or so in that same time period. Seems we've misidentified who the real terrorists are. We see the enemy and he is us. Have no fear, legitimate needs for guns will still be filled, Hunters and the like will still get their long guns and shotguns. But the Handgun for every pocket era is rightfully going to come to an end soon. Like most major social change, Republicans are just 20 years out of date on the concept. Be assured, the original intent, to allow citizens to overthrow the Govt. or form militias in place of a standing army, is both outdated and impossible now. Your .38 isn't stopping an M1 Abrams, and no one needs you for the militia anytime soon. Change on guns is long overdue. The right to own guns doesn't trump the right of Americans to live without the fear of you shooting them because you had a bad day or your wife screwed the postman. =========================================== Nothing in the constitution says we have a right to live with out fear. !/2 million dead, killed by Americans,. LOL. My .38 won't stop a Abrahms, but do you honestly believe my BIL, Nephews, and Nieces would actually fire upon me, I am betting no. Regardless your point here is not without merit, and I do not support any type of armed over throw nor any violence in general. I stand with the majority of American citizens who believe we have the right to defend ourselves, backed my the lion share of Sheriff Depts. Other then the liberal east the country is adopting state laws designed to make concealed carry and open carry easier. True story. Legitimate needs as Hunting, LOL. And the savage era of the American cowboy, your trolling me right? It's sad you have to fall back on a clearly outdated document designed for the world as it was for 13 colonies 200+ years ago, written by white-only Slave owning land-baron magnates whose idea of Democracy didn't include blacks, or women, or non-land owners. Really want to stick with Originalism now, eh? It's not 1776 anymore, and we don;t need you to fight the Redcoats. Do I think your loved ones would fire on you? Yes. Accidentally. Or on purpose if you pissed them off. Or maybe you'll fire on yourself (I certainly hope none of this happens, of course, but you choose the rick owning guns after all). Ask most of that 500,000 what they thought, and most would sound just like you. Till the were killed by their own guns, accidents with their guns, passion crimes with guns, or (least likely) actual crime where their guns didn't save them. No one cares what the mostly empty rural flyover states think Guns. They're a rounding error when it comes to voters. Whats you fear Guns, that you can't pass a background check? That the only reason you own guns is fear and thus your need isn't legitimate? That you can't give your gun (or 10 of your guns) to your 8 year old son? That someone might know you're hoarding guns and ammo like a nutjob extremist? That you can only buy one gun a month instead of 100 a day? The backwards Red states can pass all the Laws they like. We both know the Feds kicked the piss out of supposed "states rights" ages ago, and will continue to do so. The States never win against the Feds now. So when Federal Gun control gets passed, it'll stick, and the only result will be less death and less murders. The good of all > the desires of the gun obsessed. |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 21, 2016 16:06:25 GMT -5
The Fist on Fire®
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 21, 2016 16:09:39 GMT -5
=========================================== Nothing in the constitution says we have a right to live with out fear. !/2 million dead, killed by Americans,. LOL. My .38 won't stop a Abrahms, but do you honestly believe my BIL, Nephews, and Nieces would actually fire upon me, I am betting no. Regardless your point here is not without merit, and I do not support any type of armed over throw nor any violence in general. I stand with the majority of American citizens who believe we have the right to defend ourselves, backed my the lion share of Sheriff Depts. Other then the liberal east the country is adopting state laws designed to make concealed carry and open carry easier. True story. Legitimate needs as Hunting, LOL. And the savage era of the American cowboy, your trolling me right? It's sad you have to fall back on a clearly outdated document designed for the world as it was for 13 colonies 200+ years ago, written by white-only Slave owning land-baron magnates whose idea of Democracy didn't include blacks, or women, or non-land owners. Really want to stick with Originalism now, eh? It's not 1776 anymore, and we don;t need you to fight the Redcoats. Do I think your loved ones would fire on you? Yes. Accidentally. Or on purpose if you pissed them off. Or maybe you'll fire on yourself (I certainly hope none of this happens, of course, but you choose the rick owning guns after all). Ask most of that 500,000 what they thought, and most would sound just like you. Till the were killed by their own guns, accidents with their guns, passion crimes with guns, or (least likely) actual crime where their guns didn't save them. No one cares what the mostly empty rural flyover states think Guns. They're a rounding error when it comes to voters. Whats you fear Guns, that you can't pass a background check? That the only reason you own guns is fear and thus your need isn't legitimate? That you can't give your gun (or 10 of your guns) to your 8 year old son? That someone might know you're hoarding guns and ammo like a nutjob extremist? That you can only buy one gun a month instead of 100 a day? The backwards Red states can pass all the Laws they like. We both know the Feds kicked the piss out of supposed "states rights" ages ago, and will continue to do so. The States never win against the Feds now. So when Federal Gun control gets passed, it'll stick, and the only result will be less death and less murders. The good of all > the desires of the gun obsessed. ========================================= Clearly I have a higher opinion of our founding fathers then you may, and I love me some constitution, all of it. Curious if you have issues with the outdated constitution other then the 2nd amendment? You still good with the first, fourth and fifth? This made up number of 500,000, I'm sure you do not include suicides by gun or police shootings, or even bad guys shot by good guys? We talked about guns before, maybe you forgot my views. I do have fear related to guns, mainly that they may be stolen and put to evil uses. I own guns not out of fear ( I have never carried for self defense) I own because I use to hunt, cause I think there cool, because they are part of my heritage and I have been bequeathed many by Uncles, Father, Grandfather, great uncles, etc., they connect me to these folks in a way that is hard to explain. And because I can. I have 20 some assorted guns and maybe 2,000 rounds or so of ammo, none of those guns or bullets ever have hurt any one other then the Nambu my Uncle took from the dead fingers of a Japanese officer who fired it at him. Shooting and owning guns is fun, follow five or so basic rules and you have no fear of ever harming anything or anyone. Above I listed why I personally own guns, and although I do not list self protection as a reason I understand that not everyone is lucky enough to live in such a safe area are stay out of unsafe places. Why would any one remove the great equalizer (guns) from those that are the most vulnerable. 300 million plus guns did not harm anyone today. It's not just the flyover states, guns have sold in record numbers in the last 8 years or so, staggering numbers have passed back ground checks. The relaxed gun law movement can only be stopped by the SCOTUS, and if the SCOTUS follows the constitution then it will never happen. I do understand the 2nd could be repealed by congress. I still think your trolling me, but it doesn't matter really, I respect your views my friend, I just see it different and that's okay. |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 21, 2016 16:14:24 GMT -5
============================================== Do you think Garland is a gun grabber for reals? And if so, why? |
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Post by Warfish on Mar 21, 2016 16:24:19 GMT -5
I still think your trolling me, but it doesn't matter really, I respect your views my friend, I just see it different and that's okay. And I respect yours as well. And for Trolling, I may not even be Warfish. Keep that in mind. The uncertainty makes life more fun, doncha think? ============================================== Do you think Garland is a gun grabber for reals? And if so, why? I think the question that SHOULD be asked is: Is he more or less a gun control advocate than the nomination President Hillary Clinton II will make after she buttslongs Donal Drumph. And the answer to that is a resounding less. People should act accordingly. |
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Post by 2foolish on Mar 21, 2016 16:27:45 GMT -5
I still think your trolling me, but it doesn't matter really, I respect your views my friend, I just see it different and that's okay. And I respect yours as well. And for Trolling, I may not even be Warfish. Keep that in mind. The uncertainty makes life more fun, doncha think? ============================================== Do you think Garland is a gun grabber for reals? And if so, why? I think the question that SHOULD be asked is: Is he more or less a gun control advocate than the nomination President Hillary Clinton II will make after she buttslongs Donal Drumph. And the answer to that is a resounding less. People should act accordingly. am i Warfish?... |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 21, 2016 16:31:55 GMT -5
Whats you fear Guns, that you can't pass a background check? That the only reason you own guns is fear and thus your need isn't legitimate? That you can't give your gun (or 10 of your guns) to your 8 year old son? ========================================================== I guess my only fear is that I may not be able to pass these guns along to my son and grandchildren some day, are that in the future they will not be able to own guns such as I enjoy. I have enough guns, and I am quite unlikely to inherit any more, all though I might wish to swap some at some point. Any new gun laws and regulations are unlikely to personally affect me other then making my hobby more expensive. I do not favor the 2nd over any of the other amendments, I love them all equally. |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 21, 2016 16:34:40 GMT -5
I think the question that SHOULD be asked is: Is he more or less a gun control advocate than the nomination President Hillary Clinton II will make after she buttslongs Donal Drumph. And the answer to that is a resounding less. People should act accordingly. ====================================== Agreed. |
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Post by Warfish on Mar 21, 2016 16:40:26 GMT -5
Whats you fear Guns, that you can't pass a background check? That the only reason you own guns is fear and thus your need isn't legitimate? That you can't give your gun (or 10 of your guns) to your 8 year old son? ========================================================== I guess my only fear is that I may not be able to pass these guns along to my son and grandchildren some day, are that in the future they will not be able to own guns such as I enjoy. I have enough guns, and I am quite unlikely to inherit any more, all though I might wish to swap some at some point. Any new gun laws and regulations are unlikely to personally affect me other then making my hobby more expensive. I do not favor the 2nd over any of the other amendments, I love them all equally. Passing them on to family: Would only be an issue if that family commits felonies or can't in some other way pass a background/mental health/trainin check. In which case they probably should't be getting the guns, wouldn't you agree? Since you already own, no one will take them away from you, not even Bernie, as long as you don't go insane. at most they might simply want to know what you own, thats reasonable on it's own to all but conspiracy theorists. I think the Constitution is the greatest document ever written. But it's far FAR from perfection, and as time passes, the things it set forth change. Too many people treat it like the Bible, the word of God. It's not, it's the word of an assortment of fallible people very much of the time they lived in. People should remember that. |
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Post by Warfish on Mar 21, 2016 16:41:06 GMT -5
And I respect yours as well. And for Trolling, I may not even be Warfish. Keep that in mind. The uncertainty makes life more fun, doncha think? I think the question that SHOULD be asked is: Is he more or less a gun control advocate than the nomination President Hillary Clinton II will make after she buttslongs Donal Drumph. And the answer to that is a resounding less. People should act accordingly. am i Warfish?... Your name was Robert Paulson. |
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Post by jay57 on Mar 21, 2016 16:42:12 GMT -5
Where is Green Jets and Ham when you need him. |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 21, 2016 17:01:02 GMT -5
========================================================== I guess my only fear is that I may not be able to pass these guns along to my son and grandchildren some day, are that in the future they will not be able to own guns such as I enjoy. I have enough guns, and I am quite unlikely to inherit any more, all though I might wish to swap some at some point. Any new gun laws and regulations are unlikely to personally affect me other then making my hobby more expensive. I do not favor the 2nd over any of the other amendments, I love them all equally. Passing them on to family: Would only be an issue if that family commits felonies or can't in some other way pass a background/mental health/trainin check. In which case they probably should't be getting the guns, wouldn't you agree? Since you already own, no one will take them away from you, not even Bernie, as long as you don't go insane. at most they might simply want to know what you own, thats reasonable on it's own to all but conspiracy theorists. I think the Constitution is the greatest document ever written. But it's far FAR from perfection, and as time passes, the things it set forth change. Too many people treat it like the Bible, the word of God. It's not, it's the word of an assortment of fallible people very much of the time they lived in. People should remember that. ========================================= Being a guns caretaker is indeed a responsibility that should not be taken lightly and I would never give a gun to someone who I had any notion was not legally able to own or was not stable. I do not believe that any training should be a pre requisite to firearm ownership and I would argue even crazy people deserve a right to defend themselves. None of my guns are registered as both state and federal law prohibits that. I have purchased two guns in the last 8 years that I did undergo a background check and the guns serial numbers were checked against a crime guns data base, but by law those records are suppose to be destroyed by everyone other then the FFL (Federal Firearms Licensed dealers). And I do find it unreasonable to think I would have to someday register them, barring an unforseen move to NY or NJ which registration is the law in theses backwards state and I would follow there backwards law if I chose to move there. I do think of the constitution as Americas bible, I understand it is not perfect, but it is the foundation and rule of law for the land, at least till it is changed. |
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Post by Warfish on Mar 21, 2016 17:19:54 GMT -5
Being a guns caretaker is indeed a responsibility that should not be taken lightly and I would never give a gun to someone who I had any notion was not legally able to own or was not stable. I do not believe that any training should be a pre requisite to firearm ownership and I would argue even crazy people deserve a right to defend themselves. These two positions are simply irreconcilable. You cannot support crazy irresponsible people having guns AND claim you respect the responsibility, sorry. And while you say you are responsible, that's not for you to decide for us all, that's for us all to decide about you, us all to set guidelines and limits for you. For our collective social well being, which trumps your feelings on what is or isn't being responsible. Then you, my friend, are part of the problem. Not the solution. It's not a bible, and it's not perfect and it's not designed for 2016. It's a guide, it's not a faith. People who turned it into infallible faith ARE the problem in America today. Times changes, and society changes, and those who refuse to change with it will always be plowed under in the wake of progress. Progress, of course, to be measured best by 5 year plans, obviously. |
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Post by Warfish on Mar 21, 2016 17:20:31 GMT -5
Where is Green Jets and Ham when you need him.  |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 21, 2016 18:11:04 GMT -5
Being a guns caretaker is indeed a responsibility that should not be taken lightly and I would never give a gun to someone who I had any notion was not legally able to own or was not stable. I do not believe that any training should be a pre requisite to firearm ownership and I would argue even crazy people deserve a right to defend themselves. These two positions are simply irreconcilable. You cannot support crazy irresponsible people having guns AND claim you respect the responsibility, sorry. And while you say you are responsible, that's not for you to decide for us all, that's for us all to decide about you, us all to set guidelines and limits for you. For our collective social well being, which trumps your feelings on what is or isn't being responsible. Then you, my friend, are part of the problem. Not the solution. It's not a bible, and it's not perfect and it's not designed for 2016. It's a guide, it's not a faith. People who turned it into infallible faith ARE the problem in America today. Times changes, and society changes, and those who refuse to change with it will always be plowed under in the wake of progress. Progress, of course, to be measured best by 5 year plans, obviously. ===================================== Don't assign words to me that I have not written or expressed. One of my grandmothers I would argue was crazy but was never a danger to her self or others and was in fact a responsible gun owner. Who decides who is a danger? I am a US citizen, non felon, not a addicted to illegal drugs and otherwise a law abiding citizen. Get bent with your we will judge line. I follow the laws of the land, who is to judge me for that? As I said earlier, I understand there are flaws in the constitution, but it is the supreme law of the land, I do believe it is relevant here in 2016. I understand that the only thing that never changes is that every thing changes. What you see as progress some others may see as a step back or as a step in the wrong direction. I don't believe in a god, but I do believe in the constitution, not in the sense that it is infallible or a faith but it is the foundation of our society, it has been amended before it will be again, after all it is imperfect. I just don't pick and choose what I am willing to obey (except for speed limits, fuck 55). I'm not surprised that some will view me as part of the problem, and maybe I am, after all who am I to judge. I'm just a small cog in a big wheel but my views are far from unique, others disagree. |
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