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Post by rangerous on Apr 21, 2016 15:48:14 GMT -5
another comment i'd like to make is that in only health care does a cash payment cost more. in all other industries cash rules not in health care. you can have a load of cash and still be charged more than a person with a health insurance policy. and this might be okay except the out of pocket expenses are so high before the insurance reimburses (mine are about 6000/year). the whole point is the costs should be the same no matter how it's paid.
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Post by Trades on Apr 21, 2016 20:32:41 GMT -5
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Post by rangerous on Apr 22, 2016 6:20:52 GMT -5
i can almost go on forever about obozocare. i think people just need to look at similar procedures and technology and their costs. by this i mean look at mri's versus lasik surgery. both procedures came on the scene about the same time. the costs of mri's has gone up while the cost of lasik surgery has dropped considerable. as a matter of fact, lasik surgery only costs a little more than the listed price of some glasses and corrective lenses. why have the cost curves been divergent? the first thing that strikes me is mri's are typically covered in most health care plans whereas lasik is usually out of pocket. therefore there is little or no cost pressure on mri's and tons on lasik. and look at the two procedures. which one would you consider less risky? i don't know about most people but i would be very concerned about lasik surgery sincc a slip up could leave a person blind and not so much for an mri. i don't claim to know much about the hardware for either technique. it could be that mri machines need some serious service after each procedure but even there, the cost should be coming down. and in all fairness, mri costs have at least stabilized.
another point i'd like to make is about these so called free services in everyone's health care plan. everyone can get a free colonoscopy. i had one a couple of years ago. it cost me about $400. what gives? it's supposed to be free? well the procedure itself was free but i incurred uncovered expenses for the pre surgery interview and also anesthesia(i think). it's kind of like giving away a car and charging for the tires.
Also, i was in the clinic the other day to get some blood work down. there was a flyer in the waiting room that explained how a portion of everyone's bill goes to paying for treating people who can't afford healthcare. i believe the cut off salary for a family of four was about 60K (i live in CT so everything is warped). so basically the people who work and are responsible are taking care of a whole bunch of people who have either been priced out of the market or are deadbeats.
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Post by Gunnails on Apr 22, 2016 9:39:12 GMT -5
Last year my tax penalty for not having health ins. was about $200, this year $1200, Tax man said expect it to double next year.
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 22, 2016 10:22:58 GMT -5
Last year my tax penalty for not having health ins. was about $200, this year $1200, Tax man said expect it to double next year. If it is going to run you $2400 for the fine then you will be better off buying one of those catastrophic plans. Im assuming you dont qualify for a subsidy. Either way it doesnt make sense for you not to have insurance if the penalty is just a $1000 less than the shitty plans. Either way I just dont know where they are getting their math from. My premium went up 10% and I dont know where these "average plans" that people are getting for $100 are. Must be after all the subsidies and everything. I just dont see how this program sustains itself. Maybe the ultimate plan was for it not to work and send us into a crisis that would force us into single-payer.
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Post by thebigragu on Apr 22, 2016 11:32:29 GMT -5
They tried to penalize me for not having coverage. The morons failed to see im on full medicare and 75 percent social security plus pension from union as per my lawsuit 4 years ago with the liver problems and the money paid at mt sanai when my insurance refused to pay illegally according to said lawsuit . Now since I work and run 2 businesses again i no longer recieve any money for years now. Except my pension. Plus my wifes insurance pays all my part b and a copays.
These fucking morons couldn't understand their own fucking federal medicare system. Im entitled to medicare for 18 more months from this date. And i pay a pretty penny for it. Even though i don't even fucking use it. I just never want to be in that position again where and if and when i need a transplant and my life savings is gone in a month then ring up 400 000 in debt.
Then the idiots told me they have no record of my marriage or income and would i need medicare as well? My state illinois will pay full part a and b plus prescriptions full cost. As well as financial assistance. I hung up and called my accountant then lawyer. They took care of it. Then yesterday im sent a letter saying i have been accepted into some assistance plan to cover my a and b plus prescriptions and under review for financial assistance. Lol seriously. Incompetent at the very best
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Post by thebigragu on Apr 22, 2016 11:39:22 GMT -5
Oh and I'm still being penalized for NOT having insurance throughout all this. My lawyer laughing said seriously don't even worry about. It such a shit show but it enrages me. The incompetence from the federal fucking government. And people want these morons involved in more of our lives. Fuck off
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Post by thebigragu on Apr 22, 2016 11:46:29 GMT -5
You have any idea how much fucking worse this will get under that fucking corrupted cunt Hillary. It's already proven a huge failure and it will be continued. This is the most important election maybe ever. Certainly for our lifetimes
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Post by Hotman on Apr 22, 2016 13:14:48 GMT -5
You have any idea how much fucking worse this will get under that fucking corrupted cunt Hillary. It's already proven a huge failure and it will be continued. This is the most important election maybe ever. Certainly for our lifetimes She can't get elected. Unfortunately she will march her way in as Queen, appointed by Wall St, Pharma, Big Oil, The Prison Industry, Comcast, the "News" aka Corporate Mouthpiece Media, etc. The votes don't matter and they dont count, as seen on both sides of the "election"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 17:07:33 GMT -5
Insurance companies are still in control and the ACA definitely needs to be updated. Pay on time this isn't an issue, right? Ordinarily I find you unctous, but you have the main point: Insurance companys and republicans have put up roadblock and helped muddy the waters. Now, NYS getting involved? you are double F***ed. The same thing happened to me in 2014; but no drama. Bounced. Such intolerant conditions? This is the result of the partisan bickering, and rapaciousness of the insurance companies. Disgusting.
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Post by Ff2 on Apr 23, 2016 10:59:06 GMT -5
Hillary will fix this.
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Post by Hotman on Apr 23, 2016 12:02:24 GMT -5
You thought Cercei Lannister was bad?? At least that bitch is hot!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 12:33:02 GMT -5
I had to look up what unctuous meant and I'm still not sure? ? The ACA was a kickback to the health insurance companies. Insurance companies are still in control and the ACA definitely needs to be updated. Pay on time this isn't an issue, right? Ordinarily I find you unctous, but you have the main point: Insurance companys and republicans have put up roadblock and helped muddy the waters. Now, NYS getting involved? you are double F***ed. The same thing happened to me in 2014; but no drama. Bounced. Such intolerant conditions? This is the result of the partisan bickering, and rapaciousness of the insurance companies. Disgusting.
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 23, 2016 16:45:10 GMT -5
United Health is about to lose $1 billion with the ACA which is why they are backing out.
Some kick back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 2:36:13 GMT -5
It's funny we only hear from companies like United Health Care when they speculate losses, meanwhile they made 44.5 billion last quarter. Health insurance companies have made billions off of the ACA and now we are supposed to feel bad because they are forced to cover people when they get sick? If the ACA aka Obamacare wasn't a kickback why did all of their stocks skyrocket when the bill was signed? You want to make this a political argument and that's sad. Insurance companies have been fucking their customers for the last 30 years and now they want to cry about not making enough money off of sick people? The insurance companies have controlled Hospitals, doctors and patients and now they are being held accountable and they don't like it. The ACA needs to be tweaked and this bill was a step in the right direction. United Health is about to lose $1 billion with the ACA which is why they are backing out. Some kick back.
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