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Post by Peebag on Dec 29, 2014 15:08:03 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again - as a Husker fan that's watched a lot of Gregory's games - I just don't get why people fawn over him. He's not that special.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 29, 2014 18:23:29 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again - as a Husker fan that's watched a lot of Gregory's games - I just don't get why people fawn over him. He's not that special. Oh God, that means we will surely take him at #6. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 29, 2014 18:28:30 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again - as a Husker fan that's watched a lot of Gregory's games - I just don't get why people fawn over him. He's not that special. Oh God, that means we will surely take him at #6. And have a potential 12-15 sack a year edge rusher for the next decade? I'll take that Gregory compares very favorably to an Aldon Smith or DeMarcus Ware. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 29, 2014 18:30:35 GMT -5
Oh God, that means we will surely take him at #6. And have a potential 12-15 sack a year edge rusher for the next decade? I'll take that Gregory compares very favorably to an Aldon Smith or DeMarcus Ware. I hope you are right if he is drafted by the Jets because he was manhandled by a freshman OT in his bowl game. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 29, 2014 18:34:41 GMT -5
And have a potential 12-15 sack a year edge rusher for the next decade? I'll take that Gregory compares very favorably to an Aldon Smith or DeMarcus Ware. I hope you are right if he is drafted by the Jets because he was manhandled by a freshman OT in his bowl game. It was a weak showing but I'm not letting one game sway my opinion. The kid still has a ridiculous upside and could be the kind of impact passrusher that alters the outcome of games. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 29, 2014 18:36:57 GMT -5
I hope you are right if he is drafted by the Jets because he was manhandled by a freshman OT in his bowl game. It was a weak showing but I'm not letting one game sway my opinion. The kid still has a ridiculous upside and could be the kind of impact passrusher that alters the outcome of games. Couldn't you say the same thing about Gholston? |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 29, 2014 19:00:03 GMT -5
It was a weak showing but I'm not letting one game sway my opinion. The kid still has a ridiculous upside and could be the kind of impact passrusher that alters the outcome of games. Couldn't you say the same thing about Gholston? What's your point exactly? That some guys bust at the top of the draft? |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 29, 2014 19:04:09 GMT -5
Couldn't you say the same thing about Gholston? What's your point exactly? That some guys bust at the top of the draft? It is that I do not share your cock-sure confidence that Gregory will be anything special. He is underweight and everything I read said he is a "raw" talent who needs to develop football moves. I prefer football players to athletes. The "athletes" seem to have a high bust rate. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 29, 2014 19:08:11 GMT -5
What's your point exactly? That some guys bust at the top of the draft? It is that I do not share your cock-sure confidence that Gregory will be anything special. He is underweight and everything I read said he is a "raw" talent who needs to develop football moves. I prefer football players to athletes. The "athletes" seem to have a high bust rate. I'm not seeing what makes Gregory an "athlete" instead of a football player. He's not like Gholston, who relied merely on natural strength to overwhelm blockers in college. Gregory already demonstrates a variety of rushing moves to disengage and is said to be very coachable. If the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board at #6, then you could do a lot worse. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 29, 2014 19:13:17 GMT -5
It is that I do not share your cock-sure confidence that Gregory will be anything special. He is underweight and everything I read said he is a "raw" talent who needs to develop football moves. I prefer football players to athletes. The "athletes" seem to have a high bust rate. I'm not seeing what makes Gregory an "athlete" instead of a football player. He's not like Gholston, who relied merely on natural strength to overwhelm blockers in college. Gregory already demonstrates a variety of rushing moves to disengage and is said to be very coachable. If the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board at #6, then you could do a lot worse. Everything I read said he does not have a variety of moves and needs to learn them. They also said the jury is still out on whether he can play the run well enough to be more than a designated pass rusher in the NFL. That said, they also said he has rare abilities and warrants a top 15 pick. They compared him to JPP. I'm just saying IDK about him and personally do not understand the fuss. |
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Post by adpz on Dec 29, 2014 19:22:29 GMT -5
I know nothing about Gregory but I agree with Werblin, when I watched tape of RG I was surprised how undersized he looked. Looks like a real reach at #6. If both QB and Cooper are off the board, I'd rather us go OT or trade down a bit.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 30, 2014 6:38:10 GMT -5
I know nothing about Gregory but I agree with Werblin, when I watched tape of RG I was surprised how undersized he looked. Looks like a real reach at #6. If both QB and Cooper are off the board, I'd rather us go OT or trade down a bit. Not that it's of much consequence but most draft boards don't have Gregory reaching #6 and you have three teams ahead of the Jets that place pass rusher as a priority. It's likely we won't get a chance to draft him so this discussion will probably be moot but your comment stating he's a reach doesn't fly IMO. Pass rushers are a highly coveted commodity and they go fast. When you have a chance to draft this high, it's not a bad idea to take one.
I just watched the tape of him vs Wisconsin and I thought he looked real good whenever the Badgers actually passed. Great closing speed and he delivered good punch and separation from the LT. He will be a dynamic pass rusher in this league and what a missing ingredient for the Jets the past decade. I thought he held his own against runs but understand, he's not being brought in to stuff the run, especially on this team. In spite of that, he showed great pursuit and hustle - attributes Gholston never showed. Someone who jumped out at me was Melvin Gordon III - wow, is he a dynamic player! He might be a target for the Jets at the top of the 2nd round should he be there. What a dynamic complementary runner to Ivory which would take a lot of pressure off the QB, whoever that may be.
I'm very much against an OT at this point when the team is in dire need of young playmakers. If DBrick were a struggling LT ranking at the bottom 5th of the league, okay. But this team is not helped out when he's playing at a high level and has been resilient and a rock solid locker room guy for stability leading into this regime change. We need to develop an offensive identity and scheme with players who are talented enough to run it from the skill positions. Check in on this position in a few years IMO.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 30, 2014 6:49:55 GMT -5
I'm not seeing what makes Gregory an "athlete" instead of a football player. He's not like Gholston, who relied merely on natural strength to overwhelm blockers in college. Gregory already demonstrates a variety of rushing moves to disengage and is said to be very coachable. If the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board at #6, then you could do a lot worse. Everything I read said he does not have a variety of moves and needs to learn them. They also said the jury is still out on whether he can play the run well enough to be more than a designated pass rusher in the NFL. That said, they also said he has rare abilities and warrants a top 15 pick. They compared him to JPP. I'm just saying IDK about him and personally do not understand the fuss. I'm not sure what you're reading, perhaps you'd like to share? And he's not widely considered a top 15 pick (by anyone) but a top 5. And he DOES possess a variety of pass rushing moves and maybe if you watch the tape instead of basing your opinion solely on the words of others, you might come up with a different opinion. I suggest you watch the tape UT provided along with others available at www.draftbreakdown.com and get back to us then. I can vouch that everything UT states is backed up by reputable sources as I often peruse the draft boards thoughout the year - it's a sickness.
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