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Post by Touchable on Dec 25, 2014 15:07:14 GMT -5
IMO we aren't talking about this kid nearly enough.
Regardless of who the new GM is, if the Top 2 QB's are off the board, it's not beyond reason at all that he would have Gregory ahead of guys like Cooper, Scherff, Parker, etc.
DE/OLB is already a need for this team. Coples is at his best with his hand in the dirt and guys like Pace and Babin are bound to be playing their last games as Jets this Sunday. There's no question that Gregory is a freakish passrusher and a legit Top 5 talent in this draft class. We've been bitching ever since we traded Abe away about not having a legitimate passrusher that offenses have to account for on every snap and coaches have to gameplan around.
Whether we transition to more of a base 4-3 or stick with a predominant 3-4, we're in need of an edge rusher and Gregory offers the versatility to play DE in a 4-3 and OLB in a 3-4.
He's really the lone defensive player that I'd be on board with taking. And honestly, if we're picking #3 or #4 and both of the QB's are gone...then who the hell is worth taking over Gregory besides maybe Cooper? I like Parker, but there's no damn way I'm taking him that high. Maybe if we traded down into the 8-10 area. And I like Scherff, but I'm not taking an interior OL that high either. I'd rather just throw the bank at Iupati and let Aboushi, Dozier and Winters compete for the RG spot.
1st round: DE/OLB Randy Gregory - Nebraska
2nd round: RB Todd Gurley - Georgia
3rd round: WR Ty Montgomery - Stanford
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1st round: DE/OLB Randy Gregory - Nebraska
2nd round: WR Justin Hardy - ECU
3rd round: RB Duke Johnson - Miami
I'd take either of those scenarios any day of the week
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Post by Touchable on Dec 25, 2014 22:43:59 GMT -5
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Post by Touchable on Dec 25, 2014 22:45:25 GMT -5
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 26, 2014 8:22:50 GMT -5
I get the logic of going with a guy like Gregory, but after watching about 5 years of some of the most inept offense in the NFL, I really think the top priority for this team needs to be fixing the offense. If the QBs are not there when we pick, ideally, I would prefer to trade down. If that is not an option, I would much rather see us put some offensive pieces in place and go WR in the first round. That said, if we take Gregory and he becomes a 10+ sack a year guy for the next decade, that would not be too bad a plan B.
At this stage, I think improving the offense will improve the team more than improving the defense.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 26, 2014 8:42:36 GMT -5
Gregory scares me . He is 6'6" and "listed" at only 240 lbs. At the Combine Aaron Maybin was 6'4" 249 lbs. Nebraska weight lifting program is legendary. If this guy can't bulk up there, I have concerns he'd be thrown around like a rag doll in the NFL.
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Post by soberphobia on Dec 26, 2014 22:00:14 GMT -5
It would be a shame to reach on an offensive player if Gregory is the BPA, and he fills a decent sized need.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 27, 2014 10:37:06 GMT -5
Gregory scares me . He is 6'6" and "listed" at only 240 lbs. At the Combine Aaron Maybin was 6'4" 249 lbs. Nebraska weight lifting program is legendary. If this guy can't bulk up there, I have concerns he'd be thrown around like a rag doll in the NFL. I don't think he's anything like Maybin. Maybin had nothing to rely on other than speed and a little half assed spin move to get after the QB. Gregory already demonstrates a variety of pass rush moves to disengage and is absolutely relentless. People could hate on the selection all they want since most are so gung ho with going offense. But it would be stupid to reach for need instead of taking the BPA, especially in the Top 5 of the draft. And it's not like Gregory doesn't help fill a position of need anyway. Pace and Babin are as good as gone after tomorrows game and Coples is at his best playing with his hand in the dirt. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 27, 2014 15:38:00 GMT -5
I get the logic of going with a guy like Gregory, but after watching about 5 years of some of the most inept offense in the NFL, I really think the top priority for this team needs to be fixing the offense. If the QBs are not there when we pick, ideally, I would prefer to trade down. If that is not an option, I would much rather see us put some offensive pieces in place and go WR in the first round. That said, if we take Gregory and he becomes a 10+ sack a year guy for the next decade, that would not be too bad a plan B. At this stage, I think improving the offense will improve the team more than improving the defense. I mostly agree But if we take Gregory in the Top 5, who says we can't still improve the offense? Let's face the facts here. Our offense will continue to be bottom 3rd of the league unless we have a legit, Top 15 QB behind center. And we aren't getting that next year or probably anytime within the next 2-3 years unless we draft Mariota/Winston or a guy like Sam Bradford shakes loose from St. Louis and remains healthy. I don't care if we have a WR corps consisting of Cooper, Decker, Harvin and Kerley. In all likelihood, this offense is still going to suck if we're trotting out someone like Geno Smith or Matt Moore at QB. We could still add to the offense, like in the scenarios that I mentioned in the original post. I'd draft a combination of WR/RB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and make Mike Iupati our big "splash" FA signing to shore up the OL. |
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Post by RobR on Dec 27, 2014 16:05:48 GMT -5
Gregory scares me . He is 6'6" and "listed" at only 240 lbs. At the Combine Aaron Maybin was 6'4" 249 lbs. Nebraska weight lifting program is legendary. If this guy can't bulk up there, I have concerns he'd be thrown around like a rag doll in the NFL. I don't think he's anything like Maybin. Maybin had nothing to rely on other than speed and a little half assed spin move to get after the QB. Gregory already demonstrates a variety of pass rush moves to disengage and is absolutely relentless. People could hate on the selection all they want since most are so gung ho with going offense. But it would be stupid to reach for need instead of taking the BPA, especially in the Top 5 of the draft. And it's not like Gregory doesn't help fill a position of need anyway. Pace and Babin are as good as gone after tomorrows game and Coples is at his best playing with his hand in the dirt. Here is where we will disagree. You keep touting up Gregory like he would be the BPA at our slot, when there will be an offensive player who likely will be graded higher. Gregory is not some all world can't miss type prospect, and I would take a player like Peat over him regardless of our needs. Draft that offensive guy, whether it be a WR or OT and start building a foundation on O for when we do get a QB with some promise. The offense has been neglected for far too long and it shows on the field. Our best Olineman are in their thirties and Brick is a shell of the player he once was. Add to that we don't even remotely have anything close to a #1 Wr and I'm drafting offense. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 27, 2014 17:59:05 GMT -5
I don't think he's anything like Maybin. Maybin had nothing to rely on other than speed and a little half assed spin move to get after the QB. Gregory already demonstrates a variety of pass rush moves to disengage and is absolutely relentless. People could hate on the selection all they want since most are so gung ho with going offense. But it would be stupid to reach for need instead of taking the BPA, especially in the Top 5 of the draft. And it's not like Gregory doesn't help fill a position of need anyway. Pace and Babin are as good as gone after tomorrows game and Coples is at his best playing with his hand in the dirt. Here is where we will disagree. You keep touting up Gregory like he would be the BPA at our slot, when there will be an offensive player who likely will be graded higher. Gregory is not some all world can't miss type prospect, and I would take a player like Peat over him regardless of our needs. Draft that offensive guy, whether it be a WR or OT and start building a foundation on O for when we do get a QB with some promise. The offense has been neglected for far too long and it shows on the field. Our best Olineman are in their thirties and Brick is a shell of the player he once was. Add to that we don't even remotely have anything close to a #1 Wr and I'm drafting offense. There's no guarantee that Peat is even going to declare Let's say that Peat stays in school and the Jets pick #4. Both of the Top 2 QB's are off the board...so who are you taking? To me, there are only two guys that make sense...Gregory and Cooper. I like Parker and Scherff but like I said, there's no way that I'm drafting either that high. |
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Post by RobR on Dec 27, 2014 18:15:04 GMT -5
Here is where we will disagree. You keep touting up Gregory like he would be the BPA at our slot, when there will be an offensive player who likely will be graded higher. Gregory is not some all world can't miss type prospect, and I would take a player like Peat over him regardless of our needs. Draft that offensive guy, whether it be a WR or OT and start building a foundation on O for when we do get a QB with some promise. The offense has been neglected for far too long and it shows on the field. Our best Olineman are in their thirties and Brick is a shell of the player he once was. Add to that we don't even remotely have anything close to a #1 Wr and I'm drafting offense. There's no guarantee that Peat is even going to declare Let's say that Peat stays in school and the Jets pick #4. Both of the Top 2 QB's are off the board...so who are you taking? To me, there are only two guys that make sense...Gregory and Cooper. I like Parker and Scherff but like I said, there's no way that I'm drafting either that high. In that scenario I would take Parker who I feel can be a legitimate #1 WR in this league. Every year we have a top 10 defense because we draft defense in the first round year after year. It's long overdue too start building this offense, QB or not and I believe there will be a player worth picking on offense in almost any scenario. The only way this offense is going to improve is by finally adding some blue-chip first rounders too it. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Peat declares. |
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Post by AJetFanNamedAction on Dec 27, 2014 20:26:55 GMT -5
Gregory will be playing USC now. I'm always high on prospects who come up big in bowl games. I'll watch a few drives but I'm not sure Nebraska will show up since they lost Pelini. Hopefully, Gregory will show why he is worth a top five pick as this will be his last time on tape. |
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 28, 2014 3:26:45 GMT -5
I'm with going for Gregory and suggested this a week or so ago as there isn't much separating the top WR (Cooper) from the others that would be available at the top of the 2nd round. Gregory is a bona fide top 5 pass rusher that you won't get in FA...you have to draft these guys which hasn't been done since before Rex. Having that pass rush covers for a lot of secondary deficiencies.
I wouldn't be opposed to trading down 5-7 spots and taking either Ray or Fowler (I really like). Gregory might be worth taking in the top 5 however. Don't kid yourself, this is still a need and these kind of players don't get out of the top 10. While we're there - go for it and move on. You can address more offense later in the draft and in FA.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 28, 2014 8:07:14 GMT -5
I watched portions of the USC Nebraska game. If Gregory played the whole game like he did in the portions of the game that I saw IMO his draft stock went down. He seemed to be blocked rather effectively by a single freshman O lineman. Did he have any sacks or impact plays?
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 28, 2014 8:48:01 GMT -5
I watched portions of the USC Nebraska game. If Gregory played the whole game like he did in the portions of the game that I saw IMO his draft stock went down. He seemed to be blocked rather effectively by a single freshman O lineman. Did he have any sacks or impact plays? It was a quiet game for Gregory - no sacks and I don't think he had any pressures or tackles for loss, and as you said, he was handled pretty effectively by a freshman OL much of the night. Part of that was due to the USC game plan - a lot of quick drops, short passes. Offense was designed to get rid of the ball quickly. That said, I was hoping to see a bigger impact from him last night. |
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