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Post by greenwave on Jul 1, 2016 7:35:17 GMT -5
I hope no one was implying that, because you're absolutely right. Other than some expected discreting (there's always someone that feels a given player is overrated), I think most realize this is what he was going to get and that's all there is to it. I have to admit, even though I still hope the Jets don't sign Fitz, seeing that kind of payday for a guy who (while younger) didn't even play as well as Fitz did in '15...I at least have increased understanding for his position in terms of holding out. Well, I don't. You know you can't compare one year out of their entire careers. Luck got into the playoffs his first three years, getting knocked out by cheating NE twice including the infamous deflategate game. His fourth year he was hurt and played hurt, then missed a bunch of games - hard to compare that to Fitzy's year here, who had the opportunity to get into the playoffs handed to him on a silver platter and blew it big time. LUck has accomplished much more in his short time in the NFL than Fitz has - which is nothing. Can you imagine what he would have done with the players Fitz had to work with and if the Colts actually put some players on the field with him, starting with an OL so he doesn't keep getting the stuffing beat out of him? (And I don't even like him but you're forcing me to say this!!!!) Oh I know there's no comparison between the two - wasn't trying to suggest that. I was just saying that from Fitz's perspective, after the year he had he probably feels he's worth more than 10% of the check that Luck just got. He can keep that position from his couch as far as I'm concerned though, and I hope that's where he stays.
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Post by carlton on Jul 1, 2016 8:57:41 GMT -5
I look forward to re-reading this thread in 10 years. (Will never actually happen.) Why not? Laziness.
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Post by shootmenow on Jul 2, 2016 1:01:22 GMT -5
Well, I don't. You know you can't compare one year out of their entire careers. Luck got into the playoffs his first three years, getting knocked out by cheating NE twice including the infamous deflategate game. His fourth year he was hurt and played hurt, then missed a bunch of games - hard to compare that to Fitzy's year here, who had the opportunity to get into the playoffs handed to him on a silver platter and blew it big time. LUck has accomplished much more in his short time in the NFL than Fitz has - which is nothing. Can you imagine what he would have done with the players Fitz had to work with and if the Colts actually put some players on the field with him, starting with an OL so he doesn't keep getting the stuffing beat out of him? (And I don't even like him but you're forcing me to say this!!!!) Oh I know there's no comparison between the two - wasn't trying to suggest that. I was just saying that from Fitz's perspective, after the year he had he probably feels he's worth more than 10% of the check that Luck just got. He can keep that position from his couch as far as I'm concerned though, and I hope that's where he stays. How many records were broken last year? One going back to the '90's I think. Why does anyone care what he's paid, it's not like it's going to affect our ticket prices. With an option of gblow as the starter I'd rather pay Fitz than double the jello shots and leave at half time knowing it's another lost season.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jul 2, 2016 16:45:14 GMT -5
How many records were broken last year? One going back to the '90's I think. Why does anyone care what he's paid, it's not like it's going to affect our ticket prices. With an option of gblow as the starter I'd rather pay Fitz than double the jello shots and leave at half time knowing it's another lost season. who GAF about records? where did it get us? playoffs were the only thing that mattered and he blew it. the reason people care what he's paid is because the Jets don't have what he's asking for, and it risks losing out on signing Wilk (a valuable, productive player) long term vs one year of more of Fitz's mediocrity
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Post by rangerous on Jul 4, 2016 8:29:35 GMT -5
I look forward to re-reading this thread in 10 years. (Will never actually happen.) Luck is a stud. It's the one position you overpay every single time. Are you implying they should have let him go?? Someone would have paid him that or more. Pretty much I'd saw my balls off with a rusty butter knife to have Luck as our QB for the next decade. Irsay, Grigson and Pagano are a trio of incompetents who have failed horrendously at supporting their young franchise QB. That OL has been dogshit ever since Luck came into the league and his go-to receiver is T.Y. fucking Hilton. Not like he's ever had much help out of the backfield either (Trent Richardson, Donald Brown, a broken down Frank Gore, etc). And don't even get me started on a defense that has been notoriously soft since the beginning of the Dungy days. isn't that the whole problem with putting soooo much money into one position? the jets have the same issue with wilk, revis and next season with richardson. as fpr ;uck, given today's market he's worth being one the top paid qb's. i just think the pay for the position is a bit too high and steals from other positions. as for irsay, grigson and pagano, pagano has done pretty well with the personnel he's been handed. agree on irsay and grigson.
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Post by TRUE Jet Fan on Jul 5, 2016 9:49:02 GMT -5
LOL what an awful deal.
Luck was the most overhyped, overraed #1 pick in history and is even more overrated now than he was before. Look at his QBR and TD/INT ratios. He's worth nowhere near what he's getting paid on this contract.
Luck is barely a top ten QB and is getting paid elite QB money. Just a total mess.
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Post by TRUE Jet Fan on Jul 5, 2016 9:50:27 GMT -5
I look forward to re-reading this thread in 10 years. (Will never actually happen.) Luck is a stud. It's the one position you overpay every single time. Are you implying they should have let him go?? Someone would have paid him that or more. Pretty much I'd saw my balls off with a rusty butter knife to have Luck as our QB for the next decade. Irsay, Grigson and Pagano are a trio of incompetents who have failed horrendously at supporting their young franchise QB. That OL has been dogshit ever since Luck came into the league and his go-to receiver is T.Y. fucking Hilton. Not like he's ever had much help out of the backfield either (Trent Richardson, Donald Brown, a broken down Frank Gore, etc). And don't even get me started on a defense that has been notoriously soft since the beginning of the Dungy days. LOL you're seriously blaming the entire Colts team before you blame Luck. What a joke. NFL QBs get away with murder in this day and age.
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Post by Touchable on Jul 5, 2016 9:58:25 GMT -5
Pretty much I'd saw my balls off with a rusty butter knife to have Luck as our QB for the next decade. Irsay, Grigson and Pagano are a trio of incompetents who have failed horrendously at supporting their young franchise QB. That OL has been dogshit ever since Luck came into the league and his go-to receiver is T.Y. fucking Hilton. Not like he's ever had much help out of the backfield either (Trent Richardson, Donald Brown, a broken down Frank Gore, etc). And don't even get me started on a defense that has been notoriously soft since the beginning of the Dungy days. LOL you're seriously blaming the entire Colts team before you blame Luck. What a joke. NFL QBs get away with murder in this day and age. Damn straight I am Guy is already a 3 time pro-bowler and has taken his team to the playoffs 3 of the 4 years he's been in the league despite the lackluster talent around him. You're a fucking dunce if you wouldn't take him as your QB for the next 10 years, especially after the 4 decades of shit that we've experienced at the position.
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Post by TRUE Jet Fan on Jul 6, 2016 10:03:39 GMT -5
LOL you're seriously blaming the entire Colts team before you blame Luck. What a joke. NFL QBs get away with murder in this day and age. Damn straight I am Guy is already a 3 time pro-bowler and has taken his team to the playoffs 3 of the 4 years he's been in the league despite the lackluster talent around him. You're a fucking dunce if you wouldn't take him as your QB for the next 10 years, especially after the 4 decades of shit that we've experienced at the position. What "shit" have we had at the QB position? Guys like Namath, O'Brien, Pennington, Todd, O'Donnell and Vinny were all solid QBs. Hell, even Sanchez was on pace for being better than Luck before he imploded in 2011. I'd honestly take 2015 Fitzpatrick over any season performance that Luck has posted, so far.
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Post by Touchable on Jul 6, 2016 10:18:21 GMT -5
Damn straight I am Guy is already a 3 time pro-bowler and has taken his team to the playoffs 3 of the 4 years he's been in the league despite the lackluster talent around him. You're a fucking dunce if you wouldn't take him as your QB for the next 10 years, especially after the 4 decades of shit that we've experienced at the position. What "shit" have we had at the QB position? Guys like Namath, O'Brien, Pennington, Todd, O'Donnell and Vinny were all solid QBs. Hell, even Sanchez was on pace for being better than Luck before he imploded in 2011. I'd honestly take 2015 Fitzpatrick over any season performance that Luck has posted, so far. I don't give a flying rats asshole about the little 2-3 year spurts that guys like O'Brien, Todd and Chad gave us. I'm talking about sustained QB play. We haven't had that shit since the 60's. And you're a fucking goof if you would take 2015 Fitz over Luck who was considered a borderline Top 5 QB and MVP candidate entering last season.
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Post by Peebag on Jul 6, 2016 10:34:39 GMT -5
What "shit" have we had at the QB position? Guys like Namath, O'Brien, Pennington, Todd, O'Donnell and Vinny were all solid QBs. Hell, even Sanchez was on pace for being better than Luck before he imploded in 2011. I'd honestly take 2015 Fitzpatrick over any season performance that Luck has posted, so far. I don't give a flying rats asshole about the little 2-3 year spurts that guys like O'Brien, Todd and Chad gave us. I'm talking about sustained QB play. We haven't had that shit since the 60's. And you're a fucking goof if you would take 2015 Fitz over Luck who was considered a borderline Top 5 QB and MVP candidate entering last season. Put him on ignore - he's a troll.
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Post by TRUE Jet Fan on Jul 8, 2016 7:21:01 GMT -5
I don't give a flying rats asshole about the little 2-3 year spurts that guys like O'Brien, Todd and Chad gave us. I'm talking about sustained QB play. We haven't had that shit since the 60's. And you're a fucking goof if you would take 2015 Fitz over Luck who was considered a borderline Top 5 QB and MVP candidate entering last season. Put him on ignore - he's a troll. I'm not trolling at all, I absolutely believe every word of what I say.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jul 9, 2016 18:49:34 GMT -5
Put him on ignore - he's a troll. I'm not trolling at all, I absolutely believe every word of what I say. Were you at the '83 draft? Mustache? Putting faith in jets FO that they new more than the fans about Marino? You were there in '95 too. You were the only one clapping when they picked Kyle Brady over Sapp. And this year you were cheering for Hackenburg? I remember you.
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