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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 1, 2016 11:33:43 GMT -5
Actually, since most of us are from north of the Mason-Dixon line, chances are, statistically, we would NOT have. Actually slavery was not just a southern thing. The North didn't have less slavery because of morals either, the agriculture-centered economy was the main reason it flourished in South. Im well aware of that... thats why I said chances are, statistically, we would not have. If any of us were rich back then, living in NY/NJ, chances are we wouldnt have been farmers, and wouldnt have needed slaves. It simply wasnt as widespread in the north. Im not claiming any moral superiority for the north. Just me.  My relatives came over circa 1900. We had nothing to do with it. If anything, we were poor Germans and Hungarians getting shit on. |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Aug 1, 2016 12:33:26 GMT -5
Slavery was in Europe, Asia and Africa for thousands of years. People of all different races and religions have been enslaved. Slavery was here for about 300 years and it was brought here by the Europeans. As an American whose family were poor immigrants I am tired of dredging it up. Its not a sin I committed or anyone I know committed. Europe dumped it on us and comparatively to the rest of the world we evolved much quicker. Slavery is no longer what is holding blacks back. IMO Jim Crow, the segregation of our military and government in the early 20th century and what has gone on the past 50 years or so in our inner cities is what I am ashamed of as an American. And I am sure we all can see the ironing. Agreed. But the past is something that that is hard to let go of for sure. Its ingrained in us. As a half Jew we can never forget the persecution of the past, it almost defines is. I even had a Scottish grandmother who used to say the nastiest thing about the English. The trick is to understand the past without letting it define us moving forward. Its almost in our blood though. When you come to American and integrate, you're supposed to let it go (the past that is). That's what makes us better than the world - we aren't holding onto grudges against our neighbors that go back 1,000 years. Once you're assimiliated and you're now half Jew/half Scottish, it's hard to hate the English/German/ITALIAN/SPANISH guy next door. |
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Post by Trades on Aug 1, 2016 13:02:29 GMT -5
Slavery was in Europe, Asia and Africa for thousands of years. People of all different races and religions have been enslaved. Slavery was here for about 300 years and it was brought here by the Europeans. As an American whose family were poor immigrants I am tired of dredging it up. Its not a sin I committed or anyone I know committed. Europe dumped it on us and comparatively to the rest of the world we evolved much quicker. Slavery is no longer what is holding blacks back. IMO Jim Crow, the segregation of our military and government in the early 20th century and what has gone on the past 50 years or so in our inner cities is what I am ashamed of as an American. And I am sure we all can see the ironing. Agreed. But the past is something that that is hard to let go of for sure. Its ingrained in us. As a half Jew we can never forget the persecution of the past, it almost defines is. I even had a Scottish grandmother who used to say the nastiest thing about the English. The trick is to understand the past without letting it define us moving forward. Its almost in our blood though. Thanks for agreeing with my original point. I also think that understanding the reality of what the situation was rather than assuming the details can make you realize that maybe you aren't angry at the right people/things. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 1, 2016 14:58:16 GMT -5
Agreed. But the past is something that that is hard to let go of for sure. Its ingrained in us. As a half Jew we can never forget the persecution of the past, it almost defines is. I even had a Scottish grandmother who used to say the nastiest thing about the English. The trick is to understand the past without letting it define us moving forward. Its almost in our blood though. When you come to American and integrate, you're supposed to let it go (the past that is). That's what makes us better than the world - we aren't holding onto grudges against our neighbors that go back 1,000 years. Once you're assimiliated and you're now half Jew/half Scottish, it's hard to hate the English/German/ITALIAN/SPANISH guy next door. I get your point, but not everyone "came" to America of their own free will. I think thats a key difference. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 1, 2016 14:58:52 GMT -5
Agreed. But the past is something that that is hard to let go of for sure. Its ingrained in us. As a half Jew we can never forget the persecution of the past, it almost defines is. I even had a Scottish grandmother who used to say the nastiest thing about the English. The trick is to understand the past without letting it define us moving forward. Its almost in our blood though. Thanks for agreeing with my original point. I also think that understanding the reality of what the situation was rather than assuming the details can make you realize that maybe you aren't angry at the right people/things. I said we have to understand it....not try and diminish it's significance. |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Aug 1, 2016 15:01:17 GMT -5
When you come to American and integrate, you're supposed to let it go (the past that is). That's what makes us better than the world - we aren't holding onto grudges against our neighbors that go back 1,000 years. Once you're assimiliated and you're now half Jew/half Scottish, it's hard to hate the English/German/ITALIAN/SPANISH guy next door. I get your point, but not everyone "came" to America of their own free will. I think thats a key difference. Nobody alive today was forced to do anything. That's a key difference too. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 1, 2016 15:10:34 GMT -5
I get your point, but not everyone "came" to America of their own free will. I think thats a key difference. Nobody alive today was forced to do anything. That's a key difference too. agreed |
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Post by Trades on Aug 1, 2016 16:07:58 GMT -5
Thanks for agreeing with my original point. I also think that understanding the reality of what the situation was rather than assuming the details can make you realize that maybe you aren't angry at the right people/things. I said we have to understand it....not try and diminish it's significance. I tried to diminish the blame and give it some perspective. I never tried to diminish the significance. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 2, 2016 8:44:36 GMT -5
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 3, 2016 6:47:19 GMT -5
I do find it odd how someone could be half-Jew as if its a race. The way I see it is you either believe or you dont. Practice or you dont.
Islam and Judaism are not races but they have somehow been morphed into them. I've never heard someone say they are half Catholic or half Protestant.
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Aug 3, 2016 7:03:08 GMT -5
True. There's no such thing as half Jew. He might be half Hebrew... but can't be half religion (well maybe he can - celebrates Xmas and Chanukah!)
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Post by Touchable on Aug 3, 2016 8:13:48 GMT -5
I do find it odd how someone could be half-Jew as if its a race. The way I see it is you either believe or you dont. Practice or you dont. Islam and Judaism are not races but they have somehow been morphed into them. I've never heard someone say they are half Catholic or half Protestant. I'm 1/4 Baptist on my mothers side |
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Post by thebigragu on Aug 3, 2016 22:15:42 GMT -5
I wonder what the percentage of white people would have owned slaves if they could have afforded to own slaves were? Even better question - I wonder what percentage of white people TODAY, would own slaves if slavery wasn't abolished? That stat would likely be just as surprising. EVEN A MUCH BETTER QUESTION...... I wonder what percentage of the people on this board would own slaves today if they could own slaves? But hey....if your stats make you feel better....then by all means.....go ahead and throw yourself a party. I wont lie If I could Buy Rihanna I would. |
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Post by thebigragu on Aug 3, 2016 22:18:27 GMT -5
Did they? Worse than the "two-thirds of ALL whites who came to the colonies as slaves"? White slaves outnumbered black slaves in America throughout the 1600s. Worse than the "Slavic peoples....the primary slave population throughout the Middle Ages."? Worse than the white slaves in Africa, thanks to the Carthaginians and Egyptians? The reality is all races have enslaved other races and their own throughout history, and its a horrible, horrible thing. I think the point here is to point out that slavery is hardly a white-on-black thing historically. Yeah, I dont think we are talking about the Middle Ages here. Trust me. I get it. My people built the pyramids. If you can find me some whites in America who were ya know, lynched on a regular basis, then I'll hop on board. You ever do some reading on Ancient Rome and Its territories asshole. Also how the fuck is any 1 generation or 2 generation american responsible or at fault for slavery. You want another statistic. How many slave ships were Jewish owned? And What percentage of Jewish people were involved in the American Slave Trade? |
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My relatives came over circa 1900. We had nothing to do with it. If anything, we were poor Germans and Hungarians getting shit on.
