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Post by sec.101row23 on Aug 30, 2016 10:08:09 GMT -5
If Geno plays this week in the fringe bowl, then he's gone via trade or cut at the final cut downs. Seems like the Jets want to play him to showcase him for a trade. Playing in the most meaningless preseason of the year isn't really going to sway anyone regarding Geno. He has a sizable body of work already in regular season games.
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 30, 2016 10:39:04 GMT -5
Maybe Hackenberg or Petty breaks a nail this week and goes on IR so we dont have to worry about this stuff. Belidick knows how to make these things work. Except you would have to expose those guys to waivers in order to IR them without counting against the 53 man roster. Indeed. But most of the time team's respect the "gentleman's agreement" and don't poach players. The obvious exception being those scumbags in NE.
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Post by quantum on Aug 30, 2016 10:56:49 GMT -5
The guy has no leadership skills whatsoever. I had hoped that he matured some since last year but it didn't happen. That's the part that sealed the deal for me. We all get Enkempali'd once or twice in our life - and it's also what usually makes a guy take a harder look at himself in the mirror. You don't accidentally get your ass handed to you. Yet this year - while he's not a rolling around camp on '24s - he still has too much fuck all dem haters bullshit going on for my liking. Getting handed the reigns in May - only to have them taken away in August was always going to be the test... and he hasn't really shown enough to say that he's genuinely in it for the team. Yet with all that said, i still wouldn't want to see Petty's vs 1s on Defense. meh. So is it "better' to lose with Genope than with Petty? ABSOLUTELY NOT. At least Petty gets experience from game time. There is no benefit at all to losing with Genope
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Post by quantum on Aug 30, 2016 10:57:23 GMT -5
If Geno plays this week in the fringe bowl, then he's gone via trade or cut at the final cut downs. Seems like the Jets want to play him to showcase him for a trade. Playing in the most meaningless preseason of the year isn't really going to sway anyone regarding Geno. He has a sizable body of SHITTY work already in regular season games. clarified
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Post by Paradis on Aug 30, 2016 11:08:04 GMT -5
That's the part that sealed the deal for me. We all get Enkempali'd once or twice in our life - and it's also what usually makes a guy take a harder look at himself in the mirror. You don't accidentally get your ass handed to you. Yet this year - while he's not a rolling around camp on '24s - he still has too much fuck all dem haters bullshit going on for my liking. Getting handed the reigns in May - only to have them taken away in August was always going to be the test... and he hasn't really shown enough to say that he's genuinely in it for the team. Yet with all that said, i still wouldn't want to see Petty's vs 1s on Defense. meh. So is it "better' to lose with Genope than with Petty? ABSOLUTELY NOT. At least Petty gets experience from game time. There is no benefit at all to losing with Genope Speaking honestly, we're all jets fans of course - but some of your heads are to full of fuck to make good judgements. You don't like Geno. I get it. We all get it. turning his name into nope says everything i need to know about where your heads at. Personally, i've even grown weary of his BS... but the reality is we lose less with Geno than Petty right now. Deal with that, less with your personal feelings about him.
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Post by rangerous on Aug 30, 2016 11:31:37 GMT -5
I have the utmost confidence in Mike M. He will not do anything to jeopardize the future. He knows that not only is this not a SB Championship team this year, but he also knows Geno Smith is in no way the future of this organization, and will be gone next year anyway. Why would he jettison a young, cheap QB with potential to keep a guy who garners no respect from his team mates, and who looks inept every single time he takes the field. If they put Petty on the PS he will be claimed by NE BUF MIA just to spite us, or DAL who is desperate, or any other team in need of a QB immediately. His cold ass will not even have the chance to sit down before he is gone. Oh and by the way, what is with the disdain for Fitz? I read here all spring how everyone was clamoring for his return, now he sucks? Good lord.This isn't JN.. Here at the hampur, there's always been hesitation and cause for concern with Fitz. The last poll had Geno favored by a significant majority. You're confusing Geno and Hackenberg. It really doesn't mean a god damn thing if Geno is here next year or not. That has no bearing on whether he's a viable #2 QB to backup Fitz this year. Backups move around the league all the team. That's why they're backups. Quite honestly, nothing you said up there is accurate or makes sense. You're simply fabricating a case for Petty. We've got a project in development - his name is Hackenberg. The only reason to have Petty on this roster is if he was going to be good enough to be the #2. It's not to do with 2017 projections, salaries (both are cheap) or your personal feelings. Can Petty win games against starting NFL defenses THIS year... I'd say i have some serious concerns about him answering the call in november. genot was favored until i saw him again in the preseason games. even i would've been willing to let fitz walk and see what he could do. but then seeing him again made me realize he's just really terrible and i don't see where petty or even hack could do much worse in a real game. and it's not about athletic ability but just the way he plays in a very lackdaisical fashion. he doesn't seem to want to look down field when he passes and this means tons of dump offs to the backs. this is in contrast to both petty and hack who look downfield first before throwing short. and then when genot gets the ball with 2 minutes left he just stalls. he needs 5 minutes for his two minute drills because he just doesn't seemt to want to hurry. is this game sense or just incompetence. i will say genot has been unfairly criticised because of the lack of talent around him but you'd think he'd be doing as much as he could to win the job if only to look good for his next team/contract. i don't think i've seen much.
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Post by rangerous on Aug 30, 2016 11:38:52 GMT -5
Petty won't do worse than Geno who has shown he has hit his ceiling. Petty has not. OK he might struggle a little more in November but he seems to have the ability to learn which Geno clearly does not. And most importantly he was picked by this regime, which is clearly cleaning out many remnants of Idzik I think he will though. Forgetting Geno's attitude for a second, I'm just not sold on Petty enough to think he can weather a real storm. If our #1 was legit, with a history of playing 16 healthy games, then that's a different story. Let's break it own; Is Petty the best back up on the roster? Y/NAnswer; no. I don't think he's as far behind as we initially thought, but if Fitz got cold cocked against CIN, Petty would be eaten alive by an starting NFL defense in 2 weeks. That's what I believe. Not saying Geno's rock solid, but Petty is just that green in my opinion. Is Petty a likely candidate to open 2017 as a #1 while Hack is groomed (further)? Y/NAnswer? No. Not on this team, in this city. If Hack isn't ready to fight for #1, there needs to another Fitz type guy around. Macc's regime would face considerable scrutiny with only those 2 on the roster. So if he's not ready to be the #2, and he's not seen as a realistic candidate for #1 duties next year -- what does keeping him on the roster accomplish?Answer: I dunno. That's the real question here. The only thing I can come up with, is that there's real concern that Hackenberg is worse off than Macc anticipated and he's not expected to be better than #3 next year, leaving Petty to elevate to #2... but if that's not wild speculation 12 months ahead of time, i don't know what is... Conclusion: The #2 needs to be able to win games this year. Has to. This roster is too stacked. **these are just the opinions of one man. A great man, but just one nonetheless. fair enough on your opinions. with regard to number 1, i guess that would depend if forte/powell can be effective runners. if petty needs to pass then the jets will have problems. but so will genot. with regard to no. 2, that's hard to say. hack looked pretty good considering it was his first outing. petty didn't look so good. i suspect they're looking for hack to be the starter in 2018 with another season of fitz in 2017. with regard to no. 3, maybe genot is better trade bait. frankly i wouldn't be averse to trading wither genot or petty if the price were right. petty could be a good match for the cowboys. i also agree that this is a win now team and the team needs a qb they can believe in. imo petty has an advantage over genot.
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Post by Paradis on Aug 30, 2016 11:51:16 GMT -5
I think he will though. Forgetting Geno's attitude for a second, I'm just not sold on Petty enough to think he can weather a real storm. If our #1 was legit, with a history of playing 16 healthy games, then that's a different story. Let's break it own; Is Petty the best back up on the roster? Y/NAnswer; no. I don't think he's as far behind as we initially thought, but if Fitz got cold cocked against CIN, Petty would be eaten alive by an starting NFL defense in 2 weeks. That's what I believe. Not saying Geno's rock solid, but Petty is just that green in my opinion. Is Petty a likely candidate to open 2017 as a #1 while Hack is groomed (further)? Y/NAnswer? No. Not on this team, in this city. If Hack isn't ready to fight for #1, there needs to another Fitz type guy around. Macc's regime would face considerable scrutiny with only those 2 on the roster. So if he's not ready to be the #2, and he's not seen as a realistic candidate for #1 duties next year -- what does keeping him on the roster accomplish?Answer: I dunno. That's the real question here. The only thing I can come up with, is that there's real concern that Hackenberg is worse off than Macc anticipated and he's not expected to be better than #3 next year, leaving Petty to elevate to #2... but if that's not wild speculation 12 months ahead of time, i don't know what is... Conclusion: The #2 needs to be able to win games this year. Has to. This roster is too stacked. **these are just the opinions of one man. A great man, but just one nonetheless. fair enough on your opinions. with regard to number 1, i guess that would depend if forte/powell can be effective runners. if petty needs to pass then the jets will have problems. but so will genot. with regard to no. 2, that's hard to say. hack looked pretty good considering it was his first outing. petty didn't look so good. i suspect they're looking for hack to be the starter in 2018 with another season of fitz in 2017. with regard to no. 3, maybe genot is better trade bait. frankly i wouldn't be averse to trading wither genot or petty if the price were right. petty could be a good match for the cowboys. i also agree that this is a win now team and the team needs a qb they can believe in. imo petty has an advantage over genot.If you were 16 years old, I'd let this slide. But you're not, and you know this isn't true. Also, show some class as a fan. Call him whatever you want when he's not a Jet.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 30, 2016 18:19:58 GMT -5
So it's all Petty and Hackenberg on Thursday v Iggles. I guess that means since Geno's not playing, he's made the team?
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Aug 30, 2016 18:32:32 GMT -5
So it's all Petty and Hackenberg on Thursday v Iggles. I guess that means since Geno's not playing, he's made the team? Why would they play Petty if they are going to cut him? Hack is in. UnIess Petty is competing for the 4th spot, I think Gedope is adios. Either it's F, P, and H or F, G, H and P on ps. That's it.
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Post by ryu79 on Aug 30, 2016 21:49:44 GMT -5
So it's all Petty and Hackenberg on Thursday v Iggles. I guess that means since Geno's not playing, he's made the team? Announced somewhere?
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 30, 2016 21:53:17 GMT -5
So it's all Petty and Hackenberg on Thursday v Iggles. I guess that means since Geno's not playing, he's made the team? Announced somewhere? Bowles' presser today
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 30, 2016 21:56:36 GMT -5
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Post by Lithfan on Aug 31, 2016 8:22:33 GMT -5
So it's all Petty and Hackenberg on Thursday v Iggles. I guess that means since Geno's not playing, he's made the team? Why would they play Petty if they are going to cut him? Hack is in. UnIess Petty is competing for the 4th spot, I think Gedope is adios. Either it's F, P, and H or F, G, H and P on ps. That's it. I am looking at it differently. At this point, I think Geno has likely made the 53 and will back up Fitz, unless Macc gets blown away by a trade offer. You don't want your top 2 QBs hurt, so you don't play them in game 4 of preseason. Hack will be on the 53 -- you don't cut 2nd round pick QB. Leaves Petty as the wild card. You play him tomorrow to give him one more chance to demonstrate that he has the upside to be a solid starter down the road. If he is impressive enough, maybe they keep 4 QBs. Or if there is any truth to the rumors that they are getting offers for Smith -- a Smith deal could hinge upon the Jets comfort level with Petty as a #2, so they may want to give him another look tomorrow night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 9:20:34 GMT -5
Why would they play Petty if they are going to cut him? Hack is in. UnIess Petty is competing for the 4th spot, I think Gedope is adios. Either it's F, P, and H or F, G, H and P on ps. That's it. I am looking at it differently. At this point, I think Geno has likely made the 53 and will back up Fitz, unless Macc gets blown away by a trade offer. You don't want your top 2 QBs hurt, so you don't play them in game 4 of preseason. Hack will be on the 53 -- you don't cut 2nd round pick QB. Leaves Petty as the wild card. You play him tomorrow to give him one more chance to demonstrate that he has the upside to be a solid starter down the road. If he is impressive enough, maybe they keep 4 QBs. Or if there is any truth to the rumors that they are getting offers for Smith -- a Smith deal could hinge upon the Jets comfort level with Petty as a #2, so they may want to give him another look tomorrow night. And see....I'm looking at if from a different perspective. Sure....you don't want your 2nd QB to get hurt....but there were a lot of reps split this off season in TC between Geno and Petty. Maybe the decision to keep Petty as #2 has already been made, but they want to get him a few more game time reps because they were split so much in practice and the other pre-season games. This also sends a message to the league that Geno is the #2....possibly increasing his trade value from absolutely nothing at all....to a conditional 7th. The one thing we should have learned already about this front office is that they always have a plan.....and no one else knows what it is. But I guess by this time next week we will have it all figured out. Anyway you shape it, our QB situation is not great....but that's been the one constant since...well....almost forever.
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