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Post by Touchable on Dec 28, 2014 23:54:25 GMT -5
Morninwheg was a horrendous OC. I was actually really optimistic about him, but his playcalling all year sucked -- especially in the red zone. My god, what a pile of garbage. Fuck Marty He should be out the door along with everyone else. But you still shouldn't handcuff your OC, especially if you know next to dick about offense. An OC that you hired because of his aggressiveness on offense, but then you try to cut his balls off as soon as your young QB has a single hiccup. All this game did was fuck up our draft position and add more uncertainty to the QB situation and offense as a whole. Was our offense really that damn terrible for the majority of the year or was the playcalling just a bunch of shoddy bullshit? Many of us were calling for us to take more shots downfield from the get-go. Then the moment we start to do that (in the last game of the year) Decker goes from "middle of the road #2" receiver to Steve Largent and Geno almost looked like he could do no wrong.
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Post by choon328 on Dec 28, 2014 23:57:21 GMT -5
It wasn't Enunwa, it was Owusu. Couple nice catches, 20 yard TD run, 86 yard kickoff return. Guy uses his size well. Didn't they bring up Enunwa from the practice squad when Miles was put on IR? Yeah he was up. But he was only in on one offensive play.
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Post by mrcoops on Dec 29, 2014 2:19:35 GMT -5
It wasn't Enunwa, it was Owusu. Couple nice catches, 20 yard TD run, 86 yard kickoff return. Guy uses his size well. Didn't they bring up Enunwa from the practice squad when Miles was put on IR? Wasn't used on O (except for being on the field for one play) but did play quite a bit on specials. No real impact.
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Post by Redlichtie on Dec 29, 2014 4:42:38 GMT -5
I couldn't watch the game, what if anything did Enunwa do? Enunwa had no impact that I saw but you actually missed a great game....once you take the 'I'd like to win but hope we lose' dilemma out of it and once you accepted that this being the Jets no matter what happens the gods will conspire to ensure the worst possible draft position for us (Like Goodell stripping the Giants and 5 other teams of their wins in 2014 for some obscure technicality and announcing the Jets will now pick 12th)it was hugely entertaining and the first time football has been fun since the first half of the GB game. hapoy for Geno....looked very solid apart from one of the dumbest comedy fumbles I've ever seen....13 TD and 13 INT 61% completion on the season
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Post by jetssjumets on Dec 29, 2014 5:53:46 GMT -5
No, Geno can fuck off. He did the same damn thing last year. They nailed it. Doesn't have the cajones. Only plays half decent when it doesn't fucking matter in the least. Just look at his fuckin eyes. They are way too close together, he can't see the whole field. Give the kid a break. He's 2 years out of college and playing QB in the NFL is hard, especially when the head coach has no idea how to develop a young QB. If you go back in history, you'll find plenty of great QBs who have performed similarly to Geno in their first couple a years, absent a performance like today. Guys like Luck and Wilson and to a certain extent Cam and RG3 have made it difficult for other young QBs to develop patiently. Look, I'm not sure he's the answer but I'm also not sure he's not. I hope they find a head coach that's really going to develop him and give him a shot next year. I can almost guarantee you that with two years under his belt, he'll be better than Mariotta and Winston next year, because again, it's hard to be an NFL QB. Will he be better long term, who knows? Nobody knows. Look at all he QBs drafted in the first round that fail. Everyone of those guys was thought to be a franchise QB by someone better able to judge that than anyone on this board. But Geno has shown the arm and legs to suggest he might have a chance to be a great QB. Hopefully, he's going to get a coach that's going to help him with the mental part of the game and put it all together. Please stop with the bs about Rex not being able to develop a QB. Funny how Josh McDaniels was not able to develop Teblow or Orton. Did Jim Harbaugh develop Kapernick because he sure has regressed this year. Or maybe Belicheat developed Brady. This is such nonsense. VaGeno stinks, period. I have seen enough of him to know that he's not the answer. He is too mistake prone to be a QB in the NFL. Also, as Hitman said, he only produces when nothing is at stake and when it is the last game in Miami. VaGeno can go FUCK himself.
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Post by kentuckyjet on Dec 29, 2014 6:19:32 GMT -5
We will get an offensive minded coach and Geno will flourish!
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Post by vicmill on Dec 29, 2014 9:24:18 GMT -5
Give the kid a break. He's 2 years out of college and playing QB in the NFL is hard, especially when the head coach has no idea how to develop a young QB. If you go back in history, you'll find plenty of great QBs who have performed similarly to Geno in their first couple a years, absent a performance like today. Guys like Luck and Wilson and to a certain extent Cam and RG3 have made it difficult for other young QBs to develop patiently. Look, I'm not sure he's the answer but I'm also not sure he's not. I hope they find a head coach that's really going to develop him and give him a shot next year. I can almost guarantee you that with two years under his belt, he'll be better than Mariotta and Winston next year, because again, it's hard to be an NFL QB. Will he be better long term, who knows? Nobody knows. Look at all he QBs drafted in the first round that fail. Everyone of those guys was thought to be a franchise QB by someone better able to judge that than anyone on this board. But Geno has shown the arm and legs to suggest he might have a chance to be a great QB. Hopefully, he's going to get a coach that's going to help him with the mental part of the game and put it all together. Please stop with the bs about Rex not being able to develop a QB. Funny how Josh McDaniels was not able to develop Teblow or Orton. Did Jim Harbaugh develop Kapernick because he sure has regressed this year. Or maybe Belicheat developed SparklePony. This is such nonsense. VaGeno stinks, period. I have seen enough of him to know that he's not the answer. He is too mistake prone to be a QB in the NFL. Also, as Hitman said, he only produces when nothing is at stake and when it is the last game in Miami. VaGeno can go FUCK himself. With all due respect, you don't know. A lot of great hall of fame and / or super bowl QBs have been as bad or worse than Geno in their second year starting. I bet you would have been saying the same thing about all these guys who had lousy records and bad QB ratings. QB | Record (2nd year starting) | QB Rating (2nd year starting)
| Geno | 3-10 | 77.5
| Fouts | 3-8 | 61.4
| Brees | 2-9 | 67.5
| Young | 2-12 | 65.5 | Simms | 3-10 | 58.9
| Moon | 4-10 | 68.5 | Tarkenton | 2-11-1 | 66.9 | Testaverde | 5-10 | 48.8 | Namath
| 5-6-2 | 62.6 | Starr | 0-6-1
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I threw in Testaverde because he had the best Jets QB year since Namath (and maybe better than Namath) in 1998. In addition, Phillip Rivers (possible HOF QB) didn't even start and threw 30 passes in his first two years and Rich Gannon (SB QB and league MVP) threw 21 passes in his first 3 years. Aaron Rodgers - 3 yrs riding the pine and 6-10 record, 66.5 QB Rating his first year starting (4th year in the league), and most Packer fans would rather have seen them keep Favre and get rid of Rodgers that year. Basically, fans, myself included, know squat. Now, did I cherry pick this list? I did. And I know you could go back and find QBs that were great in their second year. My point is, you can't possibly judge him yet. Playing QB in the NFL is hard and it takes time to adjust. Every one of these guys had the physical tools and needed time to learn the mental part of the game. Geno was great yesterday. You be hard pressed to find a game like yesterday for any of these other guys in their first two years and they all went on to be great. Lets give the kid a chance with a real coaching staff. Again, I'm not sure he's the answer, but I'm willing to find out, partly because there is no better answer out there,
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Post by jetssjumets on Dec 29, 2014 9:44:42 GMT -5
Please stop with the bs about Rex not being able to develop a QB. Funny how Josh McDaniels was not able to develop Teblow or Orton. Did Jim Harbaugh develop Kapernick because he sure has regressed this year. Or maybe Belicheat developed SparklePony. This is such nonsense. VaGeno stinks, period. I have seen enough of him to know that he's not the answer. He is too mistake prone to be a QB in the NFL. Also, as Hitman said, he only produces when nothing is at stake and when it is the last game in Miami. VaGeno can go FUCK himself. With all due respect, you don't know. A lot of great hall of fame and / or super bowl QBs have been as bad or worse than Geno in their second year starting. I bet you would have been saying the same thing about all these guys who had lousy records and bad QB ratings. QB | Record (2nd year starting) | QB Rating (2nd year starting)
| Geno | 3-10 | 77.5
| Fouts | 3-8 | 61.4
| Brees | 2-9 | 67.5
| Young | 2-12 | 65.5 | Simms | 3-10 | 58.9
| Moon | 4-10 | 68.5 | Tarkenton | 2-11-1 | 66.9 | Testaverde | 5-10 | 48.8 | Namath
| 5-6-2 | 62.6 |
I threw in Testaverde because he had the best Jets QB year since Namath (and maybe better than Namath) in 1998. In addition, Phillip Rivers (possible HOF QB) didn't even start and threw 30 passes in his first two years and Rich Gannon (SB QB and league MVP) threw 21 passes in his first 3 years. Also in the list above, i used Brees 3rd year, because he also spent his first year riding the pine and learning the game. Now, did I cherry pick this list? I did. And I know you could go back and find QBs that were great in their second year. My point is, you can't possibly judge him yet. Playing QB in the NFL is hard and it takes time to adjust. Every one of these guys had the physical tools and needed time to learn the mental part of the game. Geno was great yesterday. You be hard pressed to find a game like yesterday for any of these other guys in their first two years and they all went on to be great. Lets give the kid a chance with a real coaching staff. Again, I'm not sure he's the answer, but I'm willing to find out, partly because there is no better answer out there, Sorry Ms. Smith. I didn't mean to insult your son. Just kidding. Look, I am a lifelong Jets fan going back to the days when I wasn't even 10 watching the team in the early 80s. I have seen this morbid franchise fire the second best coach in my lifetime, Walt Michaels, after two very good years and coming off of an AFCG where that fucking scumbag Don Shula cheated by not covering the field to take away Freeman McNeil. In other words, I have seen enough Jets football in my lifetime to know that VaGeno is NOT the answer. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. I have seen enough of his shit. By the way, let's compare apples to apples. The examples you cited are from years ago. The game has changed. The rules today are designed for the offense to be successful. Even with that, VaGeno is the 34 ranked QB out of 32 teams in the League. Sorry, I am not getting excited off of yesterday. I've been down that road exactly a year ago this weekend and that sad sack mofo fooled me. As the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shjame on me. Again, as a Jets fan, I hope he does well and proves me wrong. I will be honored to come here and say I was wrong and a dimb ass. Unfortunately, I don't think VaGeno will provide me that humble opportunity.
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Post by gangrene on Dec 29, 2014 9:47:28 GMT -5
What really happened yesterday ? We watched a game of below average college football. Both quarterbacks looked great, the wide receivers and tight ends looked great.
Why ? Both defenses sucked balls but in particular Miami's defense. Cortland Finnegan was a joke. Tight ends were running wide open with little or no coverage on busted play after busted play. It made the qbs look like superstars.
I hope they look at yesterday's game film before they decide to forgo a qb in the draft.
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Post by vicmill on Dec 29, 2014 10:03:21 GMT -5
With all due respect, you don't know. A lot of great hall of fame and / or super bowl QBs have been as bad or worse than Geno in their second year starting. I bet you would have been saying the same thing about all these guys who had lousy records and bad QB ratings. QB | Record (2nd year starting) | QB Rating (2nd year starting)
| Geno | 3-10 | 77.5
| Fouts | 3-8 | 61.4
| Brees | 2-9 | 67.5
| Young | 2-12 | 65.5 | Simms | 3-10 | 58.9
| Moon | 4-10 | 68.5 | Tarkenton | 2-11-1 | 66.9 | Testaverde | 5-10 | 48.8 | Namath
| 5-6-2 | 62.6 |
I threw in Testaverde because he had the best Jets QB year since Namath (and maybe better than Namath) in 1998. In addition, Phillip Rivers (possible HOF QB) didn't even start and threw 30 passes in his first two years and Rich Gannon (SB QB and league MVP) threw 21 passes in his first 3 years. Also in the list above, i used Brees 3rd year, because he also spent his first year riding the pine and learning the game. Now, did I cherry pick this list? I did. And I know you could go back and find QBs that were great in their second year. My point is, you can't possibly judge him yet. Playing QB in the NFL is hard and it takes time to adjust. Every one of these guys had the physical tools and needed time to learn the mental part of the game. Geno was great yesterday. You be hard pressed to find a game like yesterday for any of these other guys in their first two years and they all went on to be great. Lets give the kid a chance with a real coaching staff. Again, I'm not sure he's the answer, but I'm willing to find out, partly because there is no better answer out there, Sorry Ms. Smith. I didn't mean to insult your son. Just kidding. Look, I am a lifelong Jets fan going back to the days when I wasn't even 10 watching the team in the early 80s. I have seen this morbid franchise fire the second best coach in my lifetime, Walt Michaels, after two very good years and coming off of an AFCG where that fucking scumbag Don Shula cheated by not covering the field to take away Freeman McNeil. In other words, I have seen enough Jets football in my lifetime to know that VaGeno is NOT the answer. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. I have seen enough of his shit. By the way, let's compare apples to apples. The examples you cited are from years ago. The game has changed. The rules today are designed for the offense to be successful. Even with that, VaGeno is the 34 ranked QB out of 32 teams in the League. Sorry, I am not getting excited off of yesterday. I've been down that road exactly a year ago this weekend and that sad sack mofo fooled me. As the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shjame on me. Again, as a Jets fan, I hope he does well and proves me wrong. I will be honored to come here and say I was wrong and a dimb ass. Unfortunately, I don't think VaGeno will provide me that humble opportunity. I get where you are coming from and I've been a SUFFERING fan longer than you. I know most of these examples are a little dated, but records and records and the even back in the 70s and 80s, the QB was the most important player on the field. I really thought Chad was going to leasd us to the promised land but he just couldn't stay healthy. I never though Sanchez was the guy despte two AFCCGs. I know there are a lot of Rex fans on this board and while I'm not, I recognize that he did accomplish some things, but I don't think he did this kid any favors. I truly think he will be better under a different regime. Will the improvement be significant? Don't know. But again, i don't see any better options out there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 12:24:38 GMT -5
I think the better description for the offense is that this is what happens when Geno plays without fear of consequences for screwing up. Which is another way of saying Geno lacks the mental fortitude to play in the NFL. condolences on your junior member; and I wholeheartedly agree with your post. Geno is a Garbage Time Marino.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 12:26:28 GMT -5
Are you nuts, dude? They choked against GB and never recovered. This team is what it is.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 29, 2014 12:38:25 GMT -5
What really happened yesterday ? We watched a game of below average college football. Both quarterbacks looked great, the wide receivers and tight ends looked great. Why ? Both defenses sucked balls but in particular Miami's defense. Cortland Finnegan was a joke. Tight ends were running wide open with little or no coverage on busted play after busted play. It made the qbs look like superstars. I hope they look at yesterday's game film before they decide to forgo a qb in the draft. Forgo what QB? Neither Mariota or Winston are falling to #6. And I could care less about spending a 2nd or 3rd round pick on someone like Brett Hundley, Bryce Petty or Dak Prescott. The odds of any of them ever amounting to anything more than career backups is slim to none. Thanks to the win against the Titans, a Geno/Matt Moore competition is about the best we can hope for next year. So we might as well build up the rest of the team.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 29, 2014 12:42:25 GMT -5
Are you nuts, dude? They choked against GB and never recovered. This team is what it is. Pretty pathetic aint it?! But you know, the refs certainly tried and made sure to keep us down. Especially when it looked like NE was struggling. The refs play just as much part in the W/L as the players do. It's rigged.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 29, 2014 12:42:55 GMT -5
Oh, but still don't excuse using Amaro so sparingly
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