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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Nov 27, 2016 0:00:37 GMT -5
I agree, but it's not working because the people drafting are idiots. We could have picked offense every year and we'd still get it wrong. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable tackles, no LBs, no CBs, no Ss, and no coach. Fuck we don't even have our own stadium or a pot to piss in. This is a dark time to be a Jets fan and that's saying something. Aside from a couple D linemen, there is nothing on this team that would prevent you from drafting any other position. It's pretty bad right now. Exactly, and two of them are turning out to be ass hats so who knows how long that will last. This team is down right unlikable. Leo and Enunwa are really the only young exciting players. Then you have Powell who is solid and maybe one of Anderson, Peake, and Marshall turn into something. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Nov 27, 2016 0:07:15 GMT -5
Aside from a couple D linemen, there is nothing on this team that would prevent you from drafting any other position. It's pretty bad right now. Exactly, and two of them are turning out to be ass hats so who knows how long that will last. This team is down right unlikable. Leo and Enunwa are really the only young exciting players. Then you have Powell who is solid and maybe one of Anderson, Peake, and Marshall turn into something. Unlikeable is exactly the word to describe it. From the coach to the players to the style of play, it's all shit. I want them to get beat so badly against the Pats tomorrow with Fitz at QB. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 0:10:59 GMT -5
I agree, but it's not working because the people drafting are idiots. We could have picked offense every year and we'd still get it wrong. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable tackles, no LBs, no CBs, no Ss, and no coach. Fuck we don't even have our own stadium or a pot to piss in. This is a dark time to be a Jets fan and that's saying something. Aside from a couple D linemen, there is nothing on this team that would prevent you from drafting any other position. It's pretty bad right now. ...So true makes me sick to my stomach. OL is a must though. |
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Post by Paradis on Nov 27, 2016 3:22:46 GMT -5
I made a point of watching Falk lately. I like what I've seen. As a matter of fact, I'd say I prefer him over the competition. He looks like one of those heady prospects that will end up being even better in the pros.
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Post by maury77 on Nov 27, 2016 7:58:34 GMT -5
My dream scenario is: 1) McGlinchey 2) Desmond King (CB from Iowa) 3) Joe Mixon (RB from Oklahoma) I expect us to pick top 5 so McGlinchey is probably the only player I'd accept over Cook right now. Also King kind of reminds me of a better Darqueze Dennard. I don't think he has speed to make it at CB and if he does it will be in a zone defense. I'd rather take Quincy Wilson or Marquez White over King in round 2. I'd add Sidney Jones to that list, but I think he's a top 15 talent. I'm hoping Humphrey, Tabor, Jackson, Lewis push him down to the top of round 2. Honestly, I have not watched a ton of Desmond King, but Hawkeye told me the guy is legit. I'd be just as happy with Wilson, White (either Marquez or the kid from LSU), either of the Ohio State kids, the kid from Colorado, even the kid from VA Tech. It's a loaded class. |
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Post by maury77 on Nov 27, 2016 8:01:05 GMT -5
Aside from a couple D linemen, there is nothing on this team that would prevent you from drafting any other position. It's pretty bad right now. Exactly, and two of them are turning out to be ass hats so who knows how long that will last. This team is down right unlikable. Leo and Enunwa are really the only young exciting players. Then you have Powell who is solid and maybe one of Anderson, Peake, and Marshall turn into something. I think Mauldin and Daron Lee are promising players, Bowles just doesn't play them. I also think that Devin Smith, Jenkins, Burris and Deon Simon may pan out, Bowles just doesn't give the young players a chance to play over vets (except at WR). The other problem is that the QB situation is so ridiculously bad right now, it casts a pall over the entire roster. |
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Post by yankeejet22 on Nov 27, 2016 11:33:14 GMT -5
These are the responses I'm looking for. I don't agree because I've seen him make all of the throws. I absolutely agree he doesn't have a + arm but he's still young and should gain more velocity as he fills into his body. He can easily put on another 10 lbs. Agreed. He makes a lot of different types of throws and is extremely accurate. Touch when he needs it and more zip when called for. That and accuracy is more important than top end velocity IMO. You can put on a few more MPH once he gets in an NFL camp and training program. If you are Maccagnan, do you use another high draft pick on a QB? I can't imagine he does. I am in the minority here on Hackenberg. I think they're doing it the right way with him. I'm excited to have him, and u feel the majority here gives him too shit. |
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Post by Paradis on Nov 27, 2016 16:16:10 GMT -5
I like the Cook/Lamp scenario but it's a pipe dream. My philosophy is you build through the draft and drafting defense every single year is not working. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable Tackles for the future, I won't even mention the TE's. Our drafts are so skewed towards the defensive side we should have a coach that could utilize them. Oh wait. I agree, but it's not working because the people drafting are idiots. We could have picked offense every year and we'd still get it wrong. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable tackles, no LBs, no CBs, no Ss, and no coach. Fuck we don't even have our own stadium or a pot to piss in. This is a dark time to be a Jets fan and that's saying something. What have we seen thus far from our "Brass" to give us any confidence that they'll pull the trigger on Dalvin Cook... Or Fournette for that matter even? I can't say with any confidence they recognize talent. They seem fixated on "value" and value doesn't win Championships in my mind. |
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Post by Paradis on Nov 27, 2016 16:23:26 GMT -5
These are the responses I'm looking for. I don't agree because I've seen him make all of the throws. I absolutely agree he doesn't have a + arm but he's still young and should gain more velocity as he fills into his body. He can easily put on another 10 lbs. Agreed. He makes a lot of different types of throws and is extremely accurate. Touch when he needs it and more zip when called for. That and accuracy is more important than top end velocity IMO. You can put on a few more MPH once he gets in an NFL camp and training program. If you are Maccagnan, do you use another high draft pick on a QB? I'd argue he almost has to. Unless Mac lives in a space station, he's bearing witness to a team that is unraveling - in large part due to lack of competence at the QB. If this year isn't proof (to Mac) that "rolling the dice on project QBs" doesn't yield a lot fruit, then he needs to walked out the door by security. He needs to bring in someone that is looked at as the future, unlike Hack who brought none of that confidence the table. Honestly, Falk is probably the best QB in the draft class from a Touch, Awareness, and Accuracy perpective. Those qualities are a 10000 more important than pure arms strength and pro-system familiarity. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Nov 27, 2016 20:16:40 GMT -5
I agree, but it's not working because the people drafting are idiots. We could have picked offense every year and we'd still get it wrong. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable tackles, no LBs, no CBs, no Ss, and no coach. Fuck we don't even have our own stadium or a pot to piss in. This is a dark time to be a Jets fan and that's saying something. What have we seen thus far from our "Brass" to give us any confidence that they'll pull the trigger on Dalvin Cook... Or Fournette for that matter even? I can't say with any confidence they recognize talent. They seem fixated on "value" and value doesn't win Championships in my mind. I'm not confident in our front office selecting anyone good, but I have a feeling Woody is going to pull a Jerry Jones and push for McCaggan to draft Cook or Fournette. Those guys will put butts in the seats, and that's all Woody cares about. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 27, 2016 20:55:15 GMT -5
Honestly, Falk is probably the best QB in the draft class from a Touch, Awareness, and Accuracy perpective. Those qualities are a 10000 more important than pure arms strength and pro-system familiarity. I guess you're also on the Falk train. Where do you see him going and why is he so overlooked at this point? I just browsed through a three round mock and he wasn't even selected.....only one 2016 tape on DB. |
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Post by DowNY on Nov 28, 2016 6:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Nov 29, 2016 8:48:36 GMT -5
The Jets should not reach for a QB in this draft. None of the QB's warrant a high first round choice, and IMO only Deshone Kizer possesses First round skill. Regardless of this, the Jets have ZERO chance of developing any QB with the mess they have at O line. Mangold is near the end of his career and the rest are, at best, "good". In the next 2 to 3 drafts, the Jets have to select 2 O lineman per draft in the first through 3d rounds (maybe 4th this year since it is at the top of the round). It is not sexy, but it is how you build a team.
I would also add that this is the draft to be in need of CB's. It is a very deep and talented CB class.
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Post by DowNY on Nov 29, 2016 21:50:17 GMT -5
Hackenberg is our QB of the future.
I swear if the Jets let Fournette or Cook pass them to reach for a QB in round 1 (a year after taking a QB in round 2), it would solidify their stupidity.
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Post by Paradis on Nov 29, 2016 23:35:05 GMT -5
Honestly, Falk is probably the best QB in the draft class from a Touch, Awareness, and Accuracy perpective. Those qualities are a 10000 more important than pure arms strength and pro-system familiarity. I guess you're also on the Falk train. Where do you see him going and why is he so overlooked at this point? I just browsed through a three round mock and he wasn't even selected.....only one 2016 tape on DB. I don't know even he's that overlooked. He's name has been popping up like spring flowers over the last month and half. I would speculate that scouts have seen all they need to see of Luke at WSU. If his workouts go well (which they will), he could end up in the first because of lack of competition. He's a better prospect than Ponder, Locker, Gabbert, etc. Dunno if he'll go top 10, but i've seen enough. I'd like him to Garoppolo in draft stock. He'll flirt with 1st round, but will depend on how the chips fall. |
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