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Post by RobR on Nov 26, 2016 23:04:19 GMT -5
Both of these Florida CBs look like studs, its a heck of a CB class in 2017. This CB class is crazy. You have Tabor and Wilson on Florida. Personally I like Wilson better. I'm hoping the amount of talent at CB pushes some good ones to the 2nd and 3rd round. Imagine taking Dalvin Cook or Mike McGlinchey in round 1 and then grabbing Sidney Jones and Marquez White in rounds 2 and 3. I can't even scout defensive players anymore. My dream scenario is we trade Sheldon for a second and draft QB, 2 OT's, and RB with our first four picks. I'd even be fine with two RB's and one OT. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 26, 2016 23:06:54 GMT -5
Here sure as hell should but since we're the Jets we'll pass on them because we're developing Hackenberg. A QB that can't even throw a screen pass. Next year he learns footwork. He might be ready to hold the clipboard by year 5. It's too bad we can't lock him into that fifth year of his contract. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Nov 26, 2016 23:14:31 GMT -5
I can't even scout defensive players anymore. My dream scenario is we trade Sheldon for a second and draft QB, 2 OT's, and RB with our first four picks. I'd even be fine with two RB's and one OT. I feel you, but this draft is ridiculously strong at CB. We also have one of if not the worst pass defense in the NFL. Hell I'd probably draft 2-3 CBs in this draft, because they'll be BPA. I also doubt we get a 2nd for Sheldon. At most I think we get a 3rd and 5th. If we wind up top 3 I would trade back a few picks. I doubt Cook goes top 5. He'll probably go between 8-15. Then we can still take Cook and pick up an extra 2nd along with the 3rd and 5th for Sheldon. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Nov 26, 2016 23:25:22 GMT -5
Agreed. He makes a lot of different types of throws and is extremely accurate. Touch when he needs it and more zip when called for. That and accuracy is more important than top end velocity IMO. You can put on a few more MPH once he gets in an NFL camp and training program. So where do you see him being drafted? I've never gone out on a limb for a QB prospect since Vince Young although in my defense I talked up Wentz last year. Right now I think he goes mid to late second. I think the lack of elite arm strength and coming out of the Air Raid system will keep his stock down a bit. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 26, 2016 23:25:42 GMT -5
I can't even scout defensive players anymore. My dream scenario is we trade Sheldon for a second and draft QB, 2 OT's, and RB with our first four picks. I'd even be fine with two RB's and one OT. I feel you, but this draft is ridiculously strong at CB. We also have one of if not the worst pass defense in the NFL. Hell I'd probably draft 2-3 CBs in this draft, because they'll be BPA. I also doubt we get a 2nd for Sheldon. At most I think we get a 3rd and 5th. If we wind up top 3 I would trade back a few picks. I doubt Cook goes top 5. He'll probably go between 8-15. Then we can still take Cook and pick up an extra 2nd along with the 3rd and 5th for Sheldon. We have to start drafting offense high. We have needs at just about every position and if we lose Winters, we'll have needs at every position on the O side. This is also a historic RB draft so we can't wait until the fourth round like Idzik, who blew the best WR draft of the last twenty years. |
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Post by maury77 on Nov 26, 2016 23:26:19 GMT -5
Both of these Florida CBs look like studs, its a heck of a CB class in 2017. This CB class is crazy. You have Tabor and Wilson on Florida. Personally I like Wilson better. I'm hoping the amount of talent at CB pushes some good ones to the 2nd and 3rd round. Imagine taking Dalvin Cook or Mike McGlinchey in round 1 and then grabbing Sidney Jones and Marquez White in rounds 2 and 3. My dream scenario is: 1) McGlinchey 2) Desmond King (CB from Iowa) 3) Joe Mixon (RB from Oklahoma) |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Nov 26, 2016 23:31:37 GMT -5
I feel you, but this draft is ridiculously strong at CB. We also have one of if not the worst pass defense in the NFL. Hell I'd probably draft 2-3 CBs in this draft, because they'll be BPA. I also doubt we get a 2nd for Sheldon. At most I think we get a 3rd and 5th. If we wind up top 3 I would trade back a few picks. I doubt Cook goes top 5. He'll probably go between 8-15. Then we can still take Cook and pick up an extra 2nd along with the 3rd and 5th for Sheldon. We have to start drafting offense high. We have needs at just about every position and if we lose Winters, we'll have needs at every position on the O side. This is also a historic RB draft so we can't wait until the fourth round like Idzik, who blew the best WR draft of the last twenty years. Oh I want offense high too. I'd love Cook and Lamp in the first two rounds. Or McGlincley and Foreman, Chubb, or Hood. I'm just saying what position outside of DL don't we need? We're a fucking messing. I think this CB class is just as historic as this RB class. That's why I'm targeting those two positions heavily at the top of this draft. The OT class looks weak outside of McGlinchey and Lamp. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 26, 2016 23:35:56 GMT -5
So where do you see him being drafted? I've never gone out on a limb for a QB prospect since Vince Young although in my defense I talked up Wentz last year. Right now I think he goes mid to late second. I think the lack of elite arm strength and coming out of the Air Raid system will keep his stock down a bit. I thought you liked his arm talent? I agree with you about the Leach offense but I've never seen anyone run it like him. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Nov 26, 2016 23:39:07 GMT -5
This CB class is crazy. You have Tabor and Wilson on Florida. Personally I like Wilson better. I'm hoping the amount of talent at CB pushes some good ones to the 2nd and 3rd round. Imagine taking Dalvin Cook or Mike McGlinchey in round 1 and then grabbing Sidney Jones and Marquez White in rounds 2 and 3. My dream scenario is: 1) McGlinchey 2) Desmond King (CB from Iowa) 3) Joe Mixon (RB from Oklahoma) I expect us to pick top 5 so McGlinchey is probably the only player I'd accept over Cook right now. Also King kind of reminds me of a better Darqueze Dennard. I don't think he has speed to make it at CB and if he does it will be in a zone defense. I'd rather take Quincy Wilson or Marquez White over King in round 2. I'd add Sidney Jones to that list, but I think he's a top 15 talent. I'm hoping Humphrey, Tabor, Jackson, Lewis push him down to the top of round 2. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 26, 2016 23:42:33 GMT -5
We have to start drafting offense high. We have needs at just about every position and if we lose Winters, we'll have needs at every position on the O side. This is also a historic RB draft so we can't wait until the fourth round like Idzik, who blew the best WR draft of the last twenty years. Oh I want offense high too. I'd love Cook and Lamp in the first two rounds. Or McGlincley and Foreman, Chubb, or Hood. I'm just saying what position outside of DL don't we need? We're a fucking messing. I think this CB class is just as historic as this RB class. That's why I'm targeting those two positions heavily at the top of this draft. The OT class looks weak outside of McGlinchey and Lamp. I like the Cook/Lamp scenario but it's a pipe dream. My philosophy is you build through the draft and drafting defense every single year is not working. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable Tackles for the future, I won't even mention the TE's. Our drafts are so skewed towards the defensive side we should have a coach that could utilize them. Oh wait. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Nov 26, 2016 23:47:22 GMT -5
Right now I think he goes mid to late second. I think the lack of elite arm strength and coming out of the Air Raid system will keep his stock down a bit. I thought you liked his arm talent? I agree with you about the Leach offense but I've never seen anyone run it like him. I do like his arm talent, overall it's the best in this class coming out. Good mechanics, motion nothing to really overhaul. He just doesn't have the elite arm strength, but has enough to be effective. I don't really know enough about the kid to know if he has those intangibles that make a QB successful. One of the things I loved about Derek Carr was that he was a film junkie and loved to prepare and was a worker. I know nothing about Falk in that regard. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Nov 26, 2016 23:50:19 GMT -5
Oh I want offense high too. I'd love Cook and Lamp in the first two rounds. Or McGlincley and Foreman, Chubb, or Hood. I'm just saying what position outside of DL don't we need? We're a fucking messing. I think this CB class is just as historic as this RB class. That's why I'm targeting those two positions heavily at the top of this draft. The OT class looks weak outside of McGlinchey and Lamp. I like the Cook/Lamp scenario but it's a pipe dream. My philosophy is you build through the draft and drafting defense every single year is not working. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable Tackles for the future, I won't even mention the TE's. Our drafts are so skewed towards the defensive side we should have a coach that could utilize them. Oh wait. I agree, but it's not working because the people drafting are idiots. We could have picked offense every year and we'd still get it wrong. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable tackles, no LBs, no CBs, no Ss, and no coach. Fuck we don't even have our own stadium or a pot to piss in. This is a dark time to be a Jets fan and that's saying something. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 26, 2016 23:55:11 GMT -5
This is a dark time to be a Jets fan and that's saying something. Don't worry, we'll turn it around in the next few years  |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Nov 26, 2016 23:55:27 GMT -5
I like the Cook/Lamp scenario but it's a pipe dream. My philosophy is you build through the draft and drafting defense every single year is not working. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable Tackles for the future, I won't even mention the TE's. Our drafts are so skewed towards the defensive side we should have a coach that could utilize them. Oh wait. I agree, but it's not working because the people drafting are idiots. We could have picked offense every year and we'd still get it wrong. We have no QB, no viable RB for the future, no viable tackles, no LBs, no CBs, no Ss, and no coach. Fuck we don't even have our own stadium or a pot to piss in. This is a dark time to be a Jets fan and that's saying something. Aside from a couple D linemen, there is nothing on this team that would prevent you from drafting any other position. It's pretty bad right now. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Nov 26, 2016 23:57:20 GMT -5
This is a dark time to be a Jets fan and that's saying something. Don't worry, we'll turn it around in the next few years Yup, we'll do a completely 360 and be exactly where we are right now haha. |
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